hello all ,

I want to buy 1.5 btc please post your offers !! and suitable payment methods !!

Cheers all.

Can you also mention whats your usual price (compared to Bitstamp)? A PM will do.

Nobody knows for sure because nobody can see the future except Chuck Norris.
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Glad to see everything sorted out; though I can't say you're the happy one here.

All that said, the mystery still remains for the transaction that vanished from block chain.

If you took a piece of art, and that art increased in value, you should still return the original piece of art.

this site is much better https://www.piiko.com/

lesser fees and trustfully

you can compare price yourself

Curious to hear what you all would do (let the trolling, laughs, and funny jokes commence)!

Would you go get fucked up, cry, clubbing, go on a vacation....WHAT WOULD YOU DO!


Ps this happened to me last Friday. Went out with friends got fucked up, was somewhat depressed next day and yeah slowly moving on, unfortunately nothing to exciting. But that's where you guys come in!

Contact them or that lady on Skype and tell them to give a repayment address.

   ~~MZ~~

Then you shouldn't have taken the withdrawal of those bitcoins.


You should send the 0.0182 BTC.  That is what you took, that is what you owe them.

I see. You really just don't know better. Seeing your accounts age, I assumed, that you must have heard about double spend.
Sorry, for being that harsh.

My opinion on your story is, that you have to pay them back. like DH pointed, you are even legally obligated to do so in most countries.

Explain to them and work out a payment schedule. They will be likely more amenable to a resolution if you are willing to do your part.

As for my opinion you are not entitled to it and should return it back. The exchange also made a mistake so shouldn't expect immediate return. I think a late repayment after your investment returns is a fair solution.

So, you were informed that it was not a "promotion" as you had assumed, meaning you now know that that money was not intended for you, and yet you kept it anyhow?  As far as I'm concerned, keeping money that was not intentionally given to you makes you a thief.  At a minimum it makes you a dishonorable person with a poor sense of morals and ethics.



So now twice you have refused to return money to someone that has informed you that they did not intentionally send to you?  Your ethics do not impress me.  I certainly would never want to do any business with anyone as dishonest and dishonorable as you.


You'd have to look at their terms of service to see if they have the right to do that.  In the U.S. a business can generally refuse to transaction with someone (as long as they are not discriminating based on race, gender, or religious belief).  If I were them, I wouldn't want to do any further business with someone of such low ethics and morals either.


Nobody is asking you to pay for someone else's mistake.  They are just asking you to pay back money that was never intended for you in the first place.


True.  When a business performs a risk analysis, they certainly do need to expect some "leakage" from thieves, and dishonest customers.  That doesn't make it "right", it just means that a business needs to charge enough fees from their honest customers to cover any potential loss they may experience from dishonest customers.  As such, all the other honest customers will be paying for this.


Because it's the right thing to do.


Yes.


Except that he knows that he didn't.  He admits that he didn't.  He knows that he received this money in error and has decided that he wants to keep it anyhow.


That is your fault.  You failed to properly keep track of what you had received, and chose to use money that was never intended for you.  If you had recognized that you had already withdrawn those bitcoins once, then you would have realized that the bitcoins remaining in your account didn't belong to you and could have contacted their support and asked them to fix it.  Instead you tried to take advantage and took coins that you knew you had already taken once.


Good.  If I were them, I wouldn't want a customer like you anyhow.

What assurances do we have that you won't run off with our money?

A lot of scammers out here asking for "only a small fee/investment/buy-in"

My point is, that you are using the term "double spend" wrong at least in the first story.

Moral issues apart, I am failing to understand the underlying issue with block chain here.

You're saying you have made 2 successful transactions of same amount and have also spent these coins elsewhere. Then how come these transactions are vanished from block chain?

If I were you, I would let them take what is not mine. And I think you don't have a choice either, especially when they are in possession of some of your funds.

You can reject their claim but then you'll lose your fiat if they don't process your buy order.

Are you sure it was a double spend? A double spend is usually used to make it seem like once has paid but in reality the coins will be conformed with another transaction. This lets the attacker (the one doing the double spend) get something for free if it is undetected.

However, it seems like starsbit didn't gain anything from doing it so why would they do a double spend? Have you asked them why they would do this?

Regarding your claim: It has not been proven that it is your fault. You could have ordered 2 x 0.0182 BTC and thought everything went fine while it didn't in this case UNICOIN would have denied you the ability to intervene right away by showing that you actually received the coins.
Also, they have a faulty system for identifying if funds actually arrived or not. It has been knows since the big malleability attacks that just looking for a TxID is not safe when operating a wallet service.

If they were able to prove it's your fault, then they'd be right to deduct the amount in question from your order, but if it is the way you explained, they haven't proven anything.

As I see it, they should pay you in full because thats the deal. You paid for a specific amount of BTC and as long as the order form didn't say that they will deduct something, they should not do so.

The 2 cases need to be handled separately by them!
They should fix their faulty detection system for incoming funds!
You should stop using them because they don't do as previously agreed upon!
Everyone should stop using them until they fixed their faulty system!

Edit: To make this clear: If they prove it was your fault, you should still pay them back, but not if they claim something without proof.