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39001  Other / Politics & Society / Re: In police state America, war is peace on: November 17, 2014, 08:32:06 PM
Be happy that Obama's major bombing focus is outside the country.

What happens when he gets some other country to make the machines of war so that he doesn't need us any more? Is anybody so foolish to think that he wouldn't bomb at home if he was sufficiently supplied from elsewhere?

Smiley
39002  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Consciousness and Quantum Physics on: November 17, 2014, 08:27:44 PM
“Random”‐ness is known only to ignorance.

Was about to reply to your apple comment, but I don't quite know what you mean by this.

Are you saying that things only appear random while we are ignorant of their cause? eg. Apples appear to fall at random time intervals to the ignorant, however when we find the causes of the falling apples (wind/deterioration of the stalk/increasing weight/gravity etc.) then what once appeared random now becomes predictable and a pattern can be made?

I agree with this, however many quantum effects are truly random, which is very rare in nature. So (according to current quantum theory) we can never predict these effects with certainty, just with various probabilities.

How do we know that quantum effects are truly random? Space is the 3rd dimension. Time is the 4th. Whatever the 5th is like, we can calculate, but it takes all kinds of mental tricks to hold it in the mind and understand it. 6th? 7th? 8th? How many dimensions are there? Might they even be infinite?

I would suggest that quantum is causal just like everything else. It's just that the causes lie in dimensions where we don't have any practical way of even suggesting, much less determining, what the causes are like, to say nothing of what they might be.

On the other hand, there might be a dimension where cause and effect, and randomness meet, where the come together, where they are the same thing, right?

Smiley
I think we are on sound grounds to say that quantum effects are truly random.  If you speculate otherwise you need to do it at the level of the Uncertainty Principle and the math behind it, not on general philosophical grounds. 

Math easily handles n dimensionalities, example a cube-like object X with volume Z, we can easily compute Z for x^2, x^3, x^4, x^5.  However the last four do not represent physical (3 dimensional) reality.

The fact that people all over the place ask the question, what is it that makes quantum effects random, shows that there is cause and effect behind quantum? Why? Because people in their minds, souls and spirits act quantumly. Yet they ask the question.

Smiley
39003  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What makes a currency meaningful? on: November 17, 2014, 08:21:53 PM
What makes a currency meaningful? Honesty. Privacy. Freedom to use it to grow and accumulate by everyone.

In other words, a currency is a commodity that makes life easier for those who use it. Life gets easier for the honest, naive people. Life gets easier for the crooks.

Making currency meaningful isn't about currency. It's about freedom and honesty... lifestyle among the people.

For example, you hear the preaching of the politicians. So, you vote them into office. Then, they do whatever they want, lie through their teeth, etc. But you keep on believing them. Suckers!

The reason Bitcoin might have success is that it is honest in a way that is difficult to corrupt. The reason Bitcoin might fail is the same one that the whole country fails by. People would rather believe the corrupt government and media, to their own demise, than use something private and honest like Bitcoin.

Somebody might say, But Bitcoin can be used for all kinds of corruption. Fiat currency is corruption incarnate the way it is being used around the world by the big banks and the governments.

Smiley
39004  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How can the U.S. fix Detroit? on: November 17, 2014, 08:11:09 PM
Cut taxes to zero. Require everyone to open carry when not on there own property. Shut down the police department. Let nature take its course from there.

Smiley

EDIT: I might add, send in the homeless from Florida.   Grin
39005  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. NSFW!!! on: November 17, 2014, 05:00:32 AM
She's been waiting a long time, trying to find a
a scammer who wants her passport to get a loan. I think that she already got enough bills and this passport has been cancelled a long time ago.

U.S. husband who will take her out of that Russian mess.
I guess you're wasting too much time on the dating sites.

http://www.dating-world.net/Russian%20phrases.htm   Cheesy
39006  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 90 year old man gets arrested for feeding the homeless for the third time on: November 17, 2014, 02:29:24 AM
lol living in U.S. those days must suck

Throughout the whole 1900s, different areas of Europe, Russia, and Southeast Asia were racked with wars that killed millions of people. Something like 200 million people in these areas of land were killed by their own governments, often by government leaders doing ethnic or security-for-government cleansings.

The United States was spared most of that kind of thing. Oh sure, we sent our troops here and there in the world to attempt to help certain nations that we called our allies. And many of our boys died. But we never had any kind of government-kills-its-own-citizens outside of the Civil War of the mid-1800s. Even the "Native American cleansings" were considered to be wars between nations, as Native Americans are still considered to be separate nations from regular U.S. citizens.

The worst "cleansing" done in the USA - even worse than the killing of native Americans - was not done by the U.S. or State governments against their own citizens. Rather, the worst in the USA was done (and is still being done) by average, everyday American people. The casualties in this cleansing range in the area of 55 million to date. And I'm not saying that there aren't other nations that have done and are doing worse. I just don't know. But what I am talking about is the killing of our babies by their parents and grandparents through abortions.

Well, it's coming on us, now. We're getting what we have done back on ourselves, both for doing it, and for condoning it.

Makes me sick just to think of it.

Smiley
39007  Other / Off-topic / Re: How do you want to die? on: November 16, 2014, 10:00:50 PM
If I had to die, I would go out by sleeping preferably.

Yes, but I still wonder what it is like to sleep yourself to death.   Cheesy
39008  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. NSFW!!! on: November 16, 2014, 09:58:08 PM

I wonder who are publishing their passports on the publicly available resource.

She's been waiting a long time, trying to find a U.S. husband who will take her out of that Russian mess.

Smiley
39009  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 90 year old man gets arrested for feeding the homeless for the third time on: November 16, 2014, 09:54:51 PM
Oh, the city is just afraid that the old guy is going to organize the homeless people to start a city of their own.

Too late, Obamavilles are all the rage these days:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdyI7bJYF30

With 2/3 of the land in the nation locked up in national forest land, etc., to say nothing about the state lands that are similarly administered, there is no need for this. Rebellion is coming.

39010  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 90 year old man gets arrested for feeding the homeless for the third time on: November 16, 2014, 09:41:55 PM
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Put little Susie in jail for sharing her sandwich with little Joanie during 2nd grade recess.

The amazing thing is going by Florida's logic this could actually happen with what they've said because they claimed it was a health issue to share food/feed people in public, so yes, children could actually get arrested in the playground for sharing their food with each other.

Every mother in Florida that packs a lunch for their child should also be locked up.  I doubt all their kitchens are "licensed" and this food is consumed outside the home.
Some schools take lunches prepared at home from children because they deem it "unhealthy".

Because they SAY they deem it unhealthy. They won't even teach the kids how to stand up for their rights according to law. So why would they want the kids to have healthy meals?

Smiley
39011  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 90 year old man gets arrested for feeding the homeless for the third time on: November 16, 2014, 09:39:55 PM
Oh, the city is just afraid that the old guy is going to organize the homeless people to start a city of their own.

 Grin
39012  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Consciousness and Quantum Physics on: November 16, 2014, 09:34:28 PM
“Random”‐ness is known only to ignorance.

Was about to reply to your apple comment, but I don't quite know what you mean by this.

Are you saying that things only appear random while we are ignorant of their cause? eg. Apples appear to fall at random time intervals to the ignorant, however when we find the causes of the falling apples (wind/deterioration of the stalk/increasing weight/gravity etc.) then what once appeared random now becomes predictable and a pattern can be made?

I agree with this, however many quantum effects are truly random, which is very rare in nature. So (according to current quantum theory) we can never predict these effects with certainty, just with various probabilities.

How do we know that quantum effects are truly random? Space is the 3rd dimension. Time is the 4th. Whatever the 5th is like, we can calculate, but it takes all kinds of mental tricks to hold it in the mind and understand it. 6th? 7th? 8th? How many dimensions are there? Might they even be infinite?

I would suggest that quantum is causal just like everything else. It's just that the causes lie in dimensions where we don't have any practical way of even suggesting, much less determining, what the causes are like, to say nothing of what they might be.

On the other hand, there might be a dimension where cause and effect, and randomness meet, where the come together, where they are the same thing, right?

Smiley
39013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The greener side : Bitcoin being used to heat buildings on: November 16, 2014, 08:39:21 PM
The fiat USDollar money supply has been enlarged by the banks to handle certain situations in the money world. If the money ever gets into the hands of the people, there will be hyper-inflation, the value of the dollar will drop drastically, the only thing left for the banking system will be to print more money, etc. The result will be that a loaf of bread will cost a $million. and everything else will go up correspondingly. You will need a wheelbarrow full of cash just to do your grocery shopping.

This is the thing that has happened in Argentina at least 3 times in the last 40 or 50 years. When it happens with the USDollar, it will be many times worse. Then the dollar will completely flop.

Just before the dollar flops, there will be so much of it that it will be cheaper to use it to heat buildings with, than buying gas or electricity or fuel oil or any other kind of fuel normally used to heat the buildings.

Smiley
39014  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Americans Getting Poorer on: November 15, 2014, 09:03:29 PM
We really need to spread Bitcoin around the world. Why? Because we need to stop getting poorer and poorer.

Read this link over thoroughly, and then find someone to develop it. Wish I had the knowledge to do it. I would have long ago.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825091.0

Smiley
39015  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: November 15, 2014, 08:35:15 PM

The problem is that it's wrong.  Positivism has been known to be a logical impossibility for thousands of years.  It persists, however, because it happens to work quite beautifully when explaining isolated phenomena in relation to other isolated phenomena.  Accordingly, the scientific method is founded upon the assumption of a Positivistic Universe.  We just need to remember to disregard it before diving into metaphysics. 

Wow! I couldn't have said the reason for the idea of Evolution being wrong any better than this. Especially, "It persists, however, because it happens to work quite beautifully when explaining isolated phenomena in relation to other isolated phenomena."

Thanks.

Smiley

Here's what you need to remember, though -- evolution is both regarded and explained in terms of isolated phenomena in the scientific community, and it never tries to extend beyond the scope of isolated phenomena.  This basically that means that in an empirical context evolution is more-or-less correct.  If we recognize the scope of evolutionary theory, we can utilize its benefits (and there are many) at the same time that we can also understand there must exist broader, more comprehensive explanations. 

What!?

The scope of all life on earth is an isolated phenomena. It doesn't extend to any of the far stars. What does that have to do with evolution being correct?

Isaac Asimov was a clever science fiction writer. Much of his sci-fi writing could keep the reader almost spellbound, wondering how in the world an outcome like this could have happened... until there was explanation. Much of his sci-fi had science in it... real scientific observations and discoveries. In the isolated phenomena of Isaac Asimov sci-fi, the stories were correct. In the world of reality they are not.

The scope and benefits of evolution ideals has to do with methods to subvert people for political reasons, by those who would control everything. Are there benefits in testing and learning methods for controlling masses of people through deception? Obviously some people think that there are, or evolution would have died long ago as the sci-fi that it is.

The point? Evolution is correct within the isolated phenomena of itself. In the reality of real life in the world, it is not.

Smiley
39016  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: November 15, 2014, 03:51:20 AM

The problem is that it's wrong.  Positivism has been known to be a logical impossibility for thousands of years.  It persists, however, because it happens to work quite beautifully when explaining isolated phenomena in relation to other isolated phenomena.  Accordingly, the scientific method is founded upon the assumption of a Positivistic Universe.  We just need to remember to disregard it before diving into metaphysics. 

Wow! I couldn't have said the reason for the idea of Evolution being wrong any better than this. Especially, "It persists, however, because it happens to work quite beautifully when explaining isolated phenomena in relation to other isolated phenomena."

Thanks.

Smiley
39017  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. NSFW!!! on: November 15, 2014, 03:31:46 AM
In some Russian manufacturing in the past, they had a system of 10 hours on, and 20 off. I don't know what they had in line of a work-week, if they had one day off a week, or what. Maybe someone can answer that. But...

The whole world uses clocks. The whole modern world uses the 24-hour day, with either 24-hour or 12-hour clocks.

Stupid Western Europe. They want to be metric. Metric is 10. They try to spread metric to the USA and around the world. Yet they use the 12-hour or 24-hour clocks.

Russia could show the rest of the world what "10" really is like. How? Make a 10-hour day, with 5 hours of daylight and 5 hours of darkness. Divide each hour into 10 equal segments rather than stupid minutes. Show the world what 10 is. Show them how hypocritical they are with all their 10 measurements, yet they won't apply their 10 to time.

Smiley

10 is really a silly base number to use. 8 or 16 would be much more logical.
But in the end it all boils down to historical reasons.

I used to think like that. I wondered why the Maker gave us 10 fingers. Maybe 8 wouldn't be enough. Maybe 16 would get in the way.

Smiley

Base12 would actually be more convenient in everyday life than base10.
Think about it: 12 is easy dividable with: 1,2,3,4,6. Where 10 can only easy be divided with 1,2,5.... 10 is just a silly number to have as base Cheesy

Seems to me that I remember that the base 10 thing came from the Arabs.   Grin
39018  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. NSFW!!! on: November 14, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
In some Russian manufacturing in the past, they had a system of 10 hours on, and 20 off. I don't know what they had in line of a work-week, if they had one day off a week, or what. Maybe someone can answer that. But...

The whole world uses clocks. The whole modern world uses the 24-hour day, with either 24-hour or 12-hour clocks.

Stupid Western Europe. They want to be metric. Metric is 10. They try to spread metric to the USA and around the world. Yet they use the 12-hour or 24-hour clocks.

Russia could show the rest of the world what "10" really is like. How? Make a 10-hour day, with 5 hours of daylight and 5 hours of darkness. Divide each hour into 10 equal segments rather than stupid minutes. Show the world what 10 is. Show them how hypocritical they are with all their 10 measurements, yet they won't apply their 10 to time.

Smiley

10 is really a silly base number to use. 8 or 16 would be much more logical.
But in the end it all boils down to historical reasons.

I used to think like that. I wondered why the Maker gave us 10 fingers. Maybe 8 wouldn't be enough. Maybe 16 would get in the way.

Smiley
39019  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: November 14, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
I'm sure that you, as an empiricist, would agree that it's unfounded to make an assertion about an empirical state of the Universe without any empirical evidence of it, right?  I'd also like to point out that you have never evidenced a Universe independent of observation, and conversely 100% of the evidence you have for an existing Universe was discovered by way of observation.

Yes, I am sure we can all agree on the absurdities of dogma.

Good thing we have dogma. If we didn't, we wouldn't have scientific protocol, and we wouldn't have near the fun exchanging opinions in a forum like this, with people from around the world, 'cause we wouldn't have invented computers. We'd still be living like cavemen. Love that dogma.

Smiley
39020  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are We Worrying About the Wrong Virus? = Ebola? on: November 14, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
Who not? It's a a real danger worldwide and there is no cure.

http://mmsnews.is/mms-newsletters/256-ebola-protocol-10-28-2014    Smiley
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