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3921  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BQC on BTER!!!!! on: May 07, 2013, 03:42:12 PM
I am pretty sure that 42/50 as many coins per block multiplied by ten times as many blocks as bitcoin does not work out to 81 million.

-MarkM-
3922  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] New alt coin generator on: May 07, 2013, 03:33:52 PM
I'll say one thing... if you did create it would take all the math out of it and allow a creator to focus on marketing the new coin.  That would be a new twist.  People who have no programming knowledge but have tons of marketing knowledge would be able to create a coin.

Which would be a waste of their talents, since they should be out there marketing coins, not wasting time cluttering up the market with more garbage.

If they really must question the product instead of just getting out there and selling it their time will already be going into a black hole just in the task of determining the exact properties of all the coins already created, let alone trying to come up with some concept of which one might be better than some other one. If the marketer does his or her job the actual properties of the product will hardly even matter, the important factor is whether the marketer gets out there and markets the damn thing not what the technical qualities of the thing are.

So don't waste effort trying to come up with another Betamax, just keep pushing the VHS that is already out there being used.

-MarkM-
3923  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How do you create an altcoin? on: May 07, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
I would be interested in creating an "ecocoin" geared towards solo CPU miners (and penalize or prevent other forms of mining).


What are some ways of rewarding solo miners and discouraging or even preventing pools?
Any way to force CPU mining instead of GPU (and certainly not ASIC)?
Would it be possible to reward miners MORE for using less computing power somehow?
Any way to prevent people from owning/running more than one miner?

Ideally I'd want to control it so that the average person mining on a Raspberry Pi (for example) can earn around 3 ecocoins per 24 hours of mining.

Does everyone see where I'm headed with this? The idea is that:
1) It doesn't hog electricity.
2) If you own a Raspberry Pi or something like that, you earn as much in a day from mining as someone who owns a $10,000 computer.


This all sounded do-able until you got to the part about how much money someone's computer cost.

For one thing if someone chooses to throw money at the problem of acquiring coin, they will almost certainly succeed in acquiring coin, even if they end up buying it over the counter due to the coin not being on any exchanges.

So trying to prevent money from being an effective means of acquiring coin seems somewhat doomed from the outset.

Merely making a system that is very very low in resource-consumption as compared to "proof of work" based systems is easy. Ripple, for example, seems to have solved that problem. We have but to wait for the Ripple server source code to be released and we are ready to produce as many eco-friendly financial networks as we have server-hardware to run them on.

Pure proof of stake also could be a reasonably eco-friendly approach.

The "Decrits" system is probably worth studying too, however it still does deliberately burn energy as part of its economic model or economic checks and balances.

Yet another compromise approach is to continue to use proof of work like bitcoin does for securing the chain but do not use it for distributing coins. Instead of having people use hashing to obtain "coins other than transaction fees", have them use scripts and/or human interaction to initially acquire coins.

We have been testing for some time now methods of dispensing coins that would indeed work just as well for a raspberry pi as for a powerful expensive laptop on a "worker" by "worker" basis.

The current implementation however  makes no attempt to limit the number of "workers" run by a single computer or a single owner of computers or user of computers or hijacker of innocent bystanders' computers.

Rather the opposite in fact: it envisions that the more time a human being has available to personally supervise "workers" the more earnings that human would be likely to reap.

That is, we do not merely aim at making the problem(s) involved in obtaining coins be problems that CPUs are far more likely to be good at than GPUs; we go even farther, allowing the problems to be such that in some respects human beings might well be better in some ways and/or in some situations at solving some of the problems than CPUs are.

Our testing so far indicates that the more "workers" a human deploys, the more of some human's or humans' time (the human of the first part of this clause or one or more other humans acting on behalf of that human) is likely to be consumed.

So far this is partly simply a reflection of the current state of the art of "worker" software:

The problems are more suitable to CPUs than to GPUs due not to any intrinsic resistance to parallelisation but, rather, to what one might term "the human element". Ultimately "the human element" should tend more and more to be the programmers of the "workers", but until such programmers have developed the start of the art of "worker" software to a point where there no longer exists any situation that that software does not elegantly handle and even, possibly, turn to its advantage, there is and will be occasional need for a human to restart a "worker" or even to reprogram a "worker" so it will in future elegantly handle the situation that had led to the need for human intervention.

Thus it currently seems likely that botnet "workers" will tend overall to work less effectively than "workers" who are members of a group of workers whose human supervisor to number of workers ratio is better. (Thus also the larger the botnet controlled by a single human, the less effective that botnet's "workers" tend to be.)

So far it is looking very promising, but that part way up above about money being or not being an issue is still present because it costs money to provide connections and problems for "workers" so more workers is more expensive than less workers so botnet operators need to be able to afford worker accounts for all of their workers, they cannot just deploy millions of workers they have to also obtain worker accounts for those workers to connect to.

-MarkM-
3924  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Get Involved] New Scrypt Altcoin on: May 07, 2013, 02:30:18 PM
Because of the plenitude of pump and dump scam-launches people here don't really need to work for a living, so actually offering money is maybe not really very tempting to anyone.

Maybe though in some other section of the forum there are starving programmers, graphic artists and marketers who can be hired, especially if you don't announce that it is planning to fork bitcoin.

Basically look to hire people familiar with bitcoin code, bitcoin concepts etc and don't reveal until they are hired on exactly what it is their bitcoin-related skills and experience are about to be put to work doing.

-MarkM-
3925  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] BBQ coin now listed on bter.com on: May 07, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
I had no trouble building a column of "sell 10,000" orders.

-MarkM-
3926  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How do you create an altcoin? on: May 07, 2013, 02:15:51 PM
Oh well then as long as we're bumping I'll just bumplink this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197598.0

-MarkM-
3927  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Get Involved] New Scrypt Altcoin on: May 07, 2013, 02:09:52 PM
Oh well if you are hiring, be clearer.

Your original post reads like the typical "I am an idea guy, if you invest blood sweat and tears in my idea I will pay you well out of your blood once the tears dry up, of course if the tears don't dry up - aka if it is not lucrative - I guess at least you'll've been bled, which in some times and places was considered healthy. Unlike other leeches I am even hinting that I already have a carrot uh I mean some funds, so hey, imagine that you could even end up getting some pittance out of that if the thing doesn't fly."

If you are hiring, state salary or hourly rate and number of payperiods or hours you're looking to hire for.

-MarkM-
3928  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Get Involved] New Scrypt Altcoin on: May 07, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
The next big coin has already been built, it but remains for teams of Graphic designers and Marketers to get out there and promote it!

Tongue

(Pick one... Bitcoin is a good candidate, for example...)

-MarkM-
3929  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CureCoin to be released soon. on: May 07, 2013, 12:40:08 PM
So far, CureCoin seems to have talked about the computationally expensive part (the folding) but I can't find any mention of how you quickly verify that someone has done the folding the claim, and not just made up a random output....

So you're not going to help cure cancer if it turns out fold-verifying is centralised at some U.S. medical university because it could lie about the proofs to cheat people out of money (that they bought to help cure cancer), blowing it on research grants or something?

Cheesy

-MarkM-
3930  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][YAC] yacoin: yet another altcoin. Release in 24 hours. on: May 07, 2013, 12:12:11 PM
<Luke-jr>: Ha, killed me a cash cow!
<AltFora>: Time for a BarBeQue!
<Chorus>: Can't have a barbie without killin' a cow!
<Greedi>: Here, let me kill that for you!

Cheesy

-MarkM-
3931  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][YAC] yacoin: yet another altcoin. Release in 24 hours. on: May 07, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
Nothing surprises me anymore. Certified retards compiling 21 months old code with a namechange in the git and mining like crazy on a dead blockchain. GO ALTCOINS! GO RETARDS!

Hey now, BBQcoin is a dead blockchain, remember!

Here's to dead blockchains!

-MarkM-
3932  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why just new "scrypt" coins and no new "SHA-256" coins ? on: May 07, 2013, 08:30:58 AM
Butt-hurt GPU-owners.

-MarkM-


 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

SHA alts are vunerable to ASICs mining them temporarily, rapidly increasing difficulty, and then dumping them when profitability goes down. Once the ASICs leave, the network slows to a crawl, and effectively cannot function. You can watch this happen with many of the alt coins now. Just watch TRC to see it in action.

That is really silly. Blame ASICs for what GPU miners have been doing themselves all along.

That problem was demonstrated on namecoin, long before ASICs, and was fixed, and only re-arose because pretend developers incompetently hacking out pretend cryptocurrences are so mindbogglingly incompetent that they somehow not only managed to fail to see it coming but also somehow managed to avoid the fixes, either by  hacking the fixes back out of the code in the course of their butchery or by carefully hunting down one of the only coins whose own developers were too incompetent to apply any of the fixes as the perfect coin to base their hack-jobs on.

-MarkM-
3933  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why just new "scrypt" coins and no new "SHA-256" coins ? on: May 07, 2013, 07:38:27 AM
Butt-hurt GPU-owners.

-MarkM-
3934  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to create cryptocurrency for a small nation-roleplaying game? on: May 07, 2013, 07:37:24 AM
This has already been done. Griefers spoil it, basically.

A whole bunch of such currencies were created.

The entire accounting all had to be painstakingly recovered and moved because blockchains are insanely impractical for such uses.

Take a look at Cyclos.org, if Open Transactions seems too esoteric or something.

We used Open Transactions because it is extremely robust.

No one's balance can be changed without them signing-off on the change.

Through all version upgrades, bufixes and so on all balances have always been faithful retained.

But really even Cyclos is overkill.

Trying to re-do all your accounting when your blockchain gets trashed is not fun at all.

Dabble in some of the low-difficulty chains, even allow characters in your game to have private keys thus to be able to own coins on any of the existing blockchains, but make sure the players are clear that anything on such blockchains could be lost at any moment when someone else who also wants to "have fun" with blockchains enjoys the "fun" of re-writing history, performing double-spends and so on.

-MarkM-
3935  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: May 07, 2013, 06:45:43 AM
Ultimately we even change the block format at some future block number to use 128 bit integers if need be.

For now though, it suffices not to let any one input or output, or even the total balance of any one address, or even the total balance of any one wallet, exceed  21 billion.

-MarkM-
3936  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devcoin on: May 07, 2013, 06:23:33 AM
Currently nothing actually adds up all the coins.

The plan is that by the time 64-bit integers would be overflowed if you tried to add up all the coins, machines will be 128 bits so normal integers would be 128 bit and we'd move to 128 bit, or we'd move to 128 bit anyway.

Either way the plan is thus to just keep on minting come 128 bit or 256 bit or whatever the future may hold!

Will the universe last long enough for us to overflow 256 bit integers? Stay tuned to the next exciting googolium! (*)

(*) A googolium is to a googol as a milleniium is to a thousand. Smiley

-MarkM-
3937  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Hiring a programmer to create a new alt coin for a video game on: May 07, 2013, 06:18:17 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197598.0

-MarkM-
3938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Create A new viable AltCoin on: May 07, 2013, 04:46:25 AM
Someone could create a site called 'instacoin'.  It would take parameters and generate ALL of the files needed to make a new alt-coin.  Just upload the logo, set the rates, block sizes, mining formula and other features and the site would bundle everything into one downloadable zip.  With the number of new add almost nothing alt-coins out there I am surprised this site does not exist already. 

It doesn't because making people deal with compiling  is a needless step. Try instead:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197598.0

-MarkM-
3939  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New coin FairCoin (FAC) Concept, needs ur opinion on: May 07, 2013, 01:05:29 AM
Real fairness is maybe best aimed for by taking advantage of certain habits of the rich and the poor.

For example if you reward actual human behavior rather than the behavior of machinery, owning machinery could become less of a factor. If you reward more per day than a poor person could live on but less than a rich person would charge for performing personally some mindless turing test task, the rich people might hire poor people to do it instead of doing it themselves, and take just a cut from each of many poor people's award instead of the entire amount they could get by performing the mindless turing test themselves.

The concept of a turing test that is mindless though seems possibly oxymoronic, thus worth meditating upon I think.

-MarkM-
3940  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New coin FairCoin (FAC) Concept, needs ur opinion on: May 07, 2013, 12:50:32 AM
2.   Coin rewards are proportional to difficulty. A 1000khash/s machine will generate 1 FairCoin/day approximately, no matter when you join.

Is basically not possible, sorry.

(No way to know your machine details, lots of ways to split up stronger machine into appearing as smaller ones etc.)

EDIT: Maybe you just mislead with that wording.

Machine maybe irrelevant. Coins per hashpower is do-able, machines we have no knowledge of.

It just means the more of the earth's entire energy budget we burn hashing, the more coins in total we will create, so the more money people spend on mining gear the more the market will be flooded with coins, so insane amounts of hashing farms lead to insane amounts of coins, at some point presumably lowering the value of the coins, whereupon what does it matter how many coins you have, what really matters is whether prices in terms of that coin skyrocket so high that no amount of coins will ever be enough for little sally's smartphone to put her children and grandchildren through university.

EDIT: Nowadatys really about the only thing you need to make a coin fair is for its difficulty to be approriate to the amount of hashing it is getting, which is accomplished best by simply mining coins that already exist instead of launching new ones.

-MarkM-
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