I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical. Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue. [K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked. I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result? "You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder. They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep." First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.
Become the truth There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.
Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it. "A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."
"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."
"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."
"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason." noun plural noun: axioms
A statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. A statement or proposition on which an abstractly defined structure is based.
When Kurt Gödel tells you what a set is, that is the verbal transmission of an axiom. You really think that the truth value of the following can never be determined? "A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents." On what grounds do you deny this self-evident nature of sets? "Integer" is an Aristotelian "natural kind" whereof individual "integers" are absolutely partial manifestations. (Indeed, negative zero is the only true "Integer." [Remember, "−0 ÷ x = −0 ⇔ x ≠ −0".]) Zero (0) implies "nothing;" -0 implies "everything," the whole universe and all the dimensions. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Billy goat gruff, troll under the bridge. ![Kiss](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/kiss.gif)
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The current largest troll army has 3,400,000 members spanning 5 continents.
3.4 million geezus ? How big is the U.S. military? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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So exactly what will happen if the law in UK goes through and someone tries to sue? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29678989Well personally seeing good trolling is amusing, but seeing a bad troll just sucks. I'm not in favor of it but, they could put the base up on TOR, and move it every now and again for protection. Suit would have to prove who did what damage. That can be done any time, and is being done all the time right now. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Yes. All the governments will be destroyed except one. The Old Testament in the Bible says that the only government that will not be destroyed is the government that He sets up. This is not the ancient Israel government. It is the Kingdom of God, Himself, where He rules directly. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Are you saying the OT is obsolete? Does that mean incest is okay by God's command, since you know, the NT does not prohibit that anywhere?
Incest is not love, even though it might seem very loving depending on the partners. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The place in the Acts of the Apostles that listed the 4 rules for Gentile converts to Christianity also says wording to the effect of, "for the law is preached every sabbath in all the synagogs." That doesn't answer my question I would have thought that someone who is so much into riddle-like mathematical equation suggestions, would easily have seen the answer in that. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Who did Jesus speak these words to? Wasn't it the Jews? Are you saying the OT is obsolete? Does that mean incest is okay by God's command, since you know, the NT does not prohibit that anywhere?
I have never said the OT is obsolete. That's the trouble with people. They want to satisfy their own lusts, and so they read all kinds of things into what their teachers say. Now watch this. Somebody is going to say something like, "What's this BADecker trying to say, now? That he's our teacher?" ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Those who say "Oh, it's not 'real' Christianity", need to look up what the "No true Scotsman fallacy" is
Not applicable. Almost every Christian adheres to (... or rather, is supposed to) an explicit ruleset created in the New Testament along with some additional axioms carried over from the Old Testament. Each denomination has specific interpretations (by man) providing a strict ruleset, but obviously, there can be only one truth with regards to God's and Christ's intentions, and most denominations declare their ruleset follows that intent. For example, some denominations have rules where phrasing that last sentence as "God's and Christ's" would be blasphemy, and there would be no room for interpretation because their men have interpreted the intent of God's and Christ's intent in that way. -But most denominations have liberalized over the years, some even becoming secular/"non-denominational," conceding morality in exchange for a larger member base accepting a vague, flexible - useless - ruleset. As I was raised, a Catholic wouldn't be considered a true Christian because of their repeat violations both explicitly in their laws and implicitly by actions done in the name of Christ (rather, the Pope and, in older times, government controlling the pope). They've scrubbed Christ's words for their own ends and functioned as an authoritarian, militant government with some ridiculous claim that they have the authority to kill people before living through their natural life and possessing all opportunities to accept their obligations as was intended by God. They're considered idolaters who insist on putting decadent false prophets before Christ, and are necessarily disconnected from the message of Christ. I mean -- forget Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Confucians, and Buddhists, because these Catholics are running around like wolves in sheep's clothing who all need to be explicitly excommunicated - at least everyone else has a different ruleset. -but I was raised Baptist (really, Anabaptist) with a strong iconoclast sentiment pounded into us where a church owning property is itself a sinful act. It's not "no true Christian," it's "here're the rules you've institutionalized violation of, thus becoming a puppet of the devil." There wasn't some exhaustive text on what kind of ideas and rules you had to accept to be a Scot, but there are exhaustive texts on what you need to accept to be a Christian. Incidentally, I haven't fully shaken Baptism from my own code. I found myself mildly offended when a great-aunt-in-law "baptized" my daughter when she was an infant (she didn't realize she was seen), not because my daughter was being involuntarily associated with stupid Christian rituals with absolutely zero effect, but because it made a statement to God that she accepted Christ and His ruleset without her being able to declare it herself. It's like a government forcing someone to be a citizen because they were born in a certain location. -Like, she can't even speak and you violated her sacred obligation as a creation of God (which, by God, only she has liberty to reject or accept) -- the very idea that a Catholic implies they have God-given authority over my daughter's soul offended me, as well as being offended on God's behalf since I was raised to be very sure this was an explicit rule violation. I know it's dumb as Hell, but it initially struck me as a rule violation which'd piss God off, because now if she wants to make a commitment to adhere to Christianity, she has to reject the Catholic soul-fascism at her real baptism, which means I have to talk to her about why her great aunt is an unwitting agent of Satan. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Part of that "rule-set" is to kill your son if he is caught listening to hip hop Most Bible Old Testament law was for Israel/Jews only. Love for God above all things, and love for your fellow human being as yourself is for everyone. The rules for non-Israel/non-Jews are: 1. abstain from food polluted by idols; 2. abstain from sexual immorality; 3. abstain from eating the meat of strangled animals; 4. abstain from eating blood. Your choice is one of the 2 positions above... be a Jew or don't be one. If you don't follow loving God above all things, and your fellow human being as yourself, you are lost. If you die without changing, you will be lost permanently. If you accept being a Jew, follow all the Jewish laws. If you don't want to be a Jew, then follow the 4 that are listed. Everyone is required to love God above all things, and to love fellow human beings as himself/herself. All this stuff about how God is requiring ridiculous stuff from everyone, is itself ridiculous. Follow what I have written here, and you will be just fine. The only other thing for eternal life is to believe in Jesus, that He will raise you from the dead to life. Get off all this nonsensical bickering about how bad Jewish laws were for the Jews. If you are not a Jew, they don't apply to you, no matter what the churches say. Remember, church leaders go into training. And a lot of the training is in what the Jews believed. So, they can't help it when they tell you to do like Jews even though you are not Jews. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Are you saying the OT is obsolete? Does that mean incest is okay by God's command, since you know, the NT does not prohibit that anywhere? Incest is not love, even though it might seem very loving depending on the partners. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The place in the Acts of the Apostles that listed the 4 rules for Gentile converts to Christianity also says wording to the effect of, "for the law is preached every sabbath in all the synagogs."
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Does anybody really think that if the method that the universe was made happened to be revealed, that there is anybody that could even understand it? The whole universe is so extremely complex, that nobody could understand what he was looking at if he saw the way or the thing that caused the universe to come into being. The universe is THAT complex. Finding Higgs, be there one or many, is like finding a drop of water in the ocean when compared with what the ocean is and what exists therein. Keep on playing. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I believe that every able-bodied human has the capacity to understand everything that is necessary for him to understand, and that the reason this is true is that the most "true" interpretation of reality is that which is directly experienced and therefore independent of rationale and abstraction. I believe that this is the only sort of information that can be absolutely known (i.e. known through direct and perfect means, which is different than knowing through indirect means such as evidence or 'proof'). I believe that you are close to right, if not right exactly. That still doesn't answer the question of scientific proof. Salvation by believing in Jesus is the only way. That salvation comes through reading or hearing the Word of God, only... no other way. However, since God created the workings of the universe through speaking them into being, there just might be a whole lot of people who will hear God's word even though they don't read the Bible, and are saved anyway. BUT, BUT, BUT, don't depend on this for salvation. After all, hearing the Word of God through nature doesn't present very much clarity. Read and believe the Bible. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Those who say "Oh, it's not 'real' Christianity", need to look up what the "No true Scotsman fallacy" is
Not applicable. Almost every Christian adheres to (... or rather, is supposed to) an explicit ruleset created in the New Testament along with some additional axioms carried over from the Old Testament. Each denomination has specific interpretations (by man) providing a strict ruleset, but obviously, there can be only one truth with regards to God's and Christ's intentions, and most denominations declare their ruleset follows that intent. For example, some denominations have rules where phrasing that last sentence as "God's and Christ's" would be blasphemy, and there would be no room for interpretation because their men have interpreted the intent of God's and Christ's intent in that way. -But most denominations have liberalized over the years, some even becoming secular/"non-denominational," conceding morality in exchange for a larger member base accepting a vague, flexible - useless - ruleset. As I was raised, a Catholic wouldn't be considered a true Christian because of their repeat violations both explicitly in their laws and implicitly by actions done in the name of Christ (rather, the Pope and, in older times, government controlling the pope). They've scrubbed Christ's words for their own ends and functioned as an authoritarian, militant government with some ridiculous claim that they have the authority to kill people before living through their natural life and possessing all opportunities to accept their obligations as was intended by God. They're considered idolaters who insist on putting decadent false prophets before Christ, and are necessarily disconnected from the message of Christ. I mean -- forget Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Confucians, and Buddhists, because these Catholics are running around like wolves in sheep's clothing who all need to be explicitly excommunicated - at least everyone else has a different ruleset. -but I was raised Baptist (really, Anabaptist) with a strong iconoclast sentiment pounded into us where a church owning property is itself a sinful act. It's not "no true Christian," it's "here're the rules you've institutionalized violation of, thus becoming a puppet of the devil." There wasn't some exhaustive text on what kind of ideas and rules you had to accept to be a Scot, but there are exhaustive texts on what you need to accept to be a Christian. Incidentally, I haven't fully shaken Baptism from my own code. I found myself mildly offended when a great-aunt-in-law "baptized" my daughter when she was an infant (she didn't realize she was seen), not because my daughter was being involuntarily associated with stupid Christian rituals with absolutely zero effect, but because it made a statement to God that she accepted Christ and His ruleset without her being able to declare it herself. It's like a government forcing someone to be a citizen because they were born in a certain location. -Like, she can't even speak and you violated her sacred obligation as a creation of God (which, by God, only she has liberty to reject or accept) -- the very idea that a Catholic implies they have God-given authority over my daughter's soul offended me, as well as being offended on God's behalf since I was raised to be very sure this was an explicit rule violation. I know it's dumb as Hell, but it initially struck me as a rule violation which'd piss God off, because now if she wants to make a commitment to adhere to Christianity, she has to reject the Catholic soul-fascism at her real baptism, which means I have to talk to her about why her great aunt is an unwitting agent of Satan. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Part of that "rule-set" is to kill your son if he is caught listening to hip hop Most Bible Old Testament law was for Israel/Jews only. Love for God above all things, and love for your fellow human being as yourself is for everyone. The rules for non-Israel/non-Jews are: 1. abstain from food polluted by idols; 2. abstain from sexual immorality; 3. abstain from eating the meat of strangled animals; 4. abstain from eating blood. Your choice is one of the 2 positions above... be a Jew or don't be one. If you don't follow loving God above all things, and your fellow human being as yourself, you are lost. If you die without changing, you will be lost permanently. If you accept being a Jew, follow all the Jewish laws. If you don't want to be a Jew, then follow the 4 that are listed. Everyone is required to love God above all things, and to love fellow human beings as himself/herself. All this stuff about how God is requiring ridiculous stuff from everyone, is itself ridiculous. Follow what I have written here, and you will be just fine. The only other thing for eternal life is to believe in Jesus, that He will raise you from the dead to life. Get off all this nonsensical bickering about how bad Jewish laws were for the Jews. If you are not a Jew, they don't apply to you, no matter what the churches say. Remember, church leaders go into training. And a lot of the training is in what the Jews believed. So, they can't help it when they tell you to do like Jews even though you are not Jews. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Maybe we could use lasers to destroy ISIS, from the ISS. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Does anybody really think that if the method that the universe was made happened to be revealed, that there is anybody that could even understand it? The whole universe is so extremely complex, that nobody could understand what he was looking at if he saw the way or the thing that caused the universe to come into being. The universe is THAT complex. Finding Higgs, be there one or many, is like finding a drop of water in the ocean when compared with what the ocean is and what exists therein. Keep on playing. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Huh? The scientific proof of God is in the fact that we found the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The name 'The God Particle' has absolutely nothing to do with proving/disproving a god. The name was given based on this book. Many physicists also think that there may be more than one type of Higgs Boson: http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/physical_sciences/physicists-indicate-existence-of-multiple-higgs-bosonsOh drat. And it was starting to sound so good, too. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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Look. Standard law is that a person is allowed to face his accuser. More standard law is that there must be harm or damage that can be proved to be done by the accused. If Ross stands as a man, and requires his accuser come forward and prove the damage or harm done with affidavit verified proof, from the witness stand, they better have such. If Ross does these 5 things he will go free if they don't have the verified witness: 1. Stand as a man; 2. Require his accuser come forward (not be represented, but come in person); 3. Require his accuser verify/validate by affidavit, from the witness stand that there is harm or damage done; 4. Require his accuser reveal the harm or damage, and how it was done by Ross; 5. Require his accuser have a verifying witness to all that is stated in the accusation affidavit. This is standard American, Canadian and British law. If there are witnesses, then he must pay according to the harm or damage he did. Otherwise not. If he goes free, he can sue for the bitcoins back, along with hardship loss, and litigation fee damages. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) EDIT: But he can't do this if he doesn't know that he can, or if he doesn't know the way to do it. Do you think his attorneys will reveal it to him?
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if only i could invent a time machine and steal this idea back in 2009
Yes, but if you did, you would be so rich that you would have forgotten all about your time machine by today. So, you would never invent it, and you would be right where you are now. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Only if I could grok such an idea beforehand. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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I really don't know why I read this whole thread.
Yes, but did you grok it? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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C'mon. Think big! 21,000,000. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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What's the dif? Any name you say is your name, IS YOUR NAME. You have just made it your name by saying so. Just be careful how you use it. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Huh? The scientific proof of God is in the fact that we found the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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