Since it is fact - the future "torture" part, I mean - why not heed the warning. Now and again you must heed a warning or two. so why not heed this one and save yourself from it?
It's not fact - it's written in the bible, in the age of ignorance. We are 2,000 years more wiser now, and only the brainwashed still believe in a heaven or hell. My beliefs are based on facts alone - no threats if I don't believe.  Yet, in all your wisdom, you don't have a method for keeping yourself alive much more than a few years. One would think that if our age was so wise, they would have figured out how to live for a couple hundred years anyway.  |
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The Bible was written for everyone. In order to make it understandable, it had to be written in a way that was for the people who would read it.
Again, how do you know? Your priest told you. I think it was written by stoned people who couldn't figure out what they were experiencing, so they gave it their best effort. It obviously was not written with today's knowledge, so it shouldn't be used to make today's decisions.  You know I have to say I am so grateful that the people who penned the Bible had more foresight to keep the writing of the Bible timelessly understandable. Kind of makes you wonder why their Creator was so shortsighted when His word was so vague it became the basis for more bloodshed than any man, virus or natural disaster could ever hope to be. Like I said before, now that the church has lost the ability to take a match to anyone speaking against them, their days are numbered. The earth is spiraling out of control regarding evil. Jesus is holding it as it is to save some. It is difficult to follow all the work He is going through to save some. |
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I agree that some scientific review is fact. But much of it has been built of previous "IF" ideas.
That's how science works. When I am making a theory on how diamonds are formed, I don't need to go and re-prove gravity. That's why many of the theories stay theories, if they don't pass from view completely. The homework was never done. |
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The choice of not believing it is a choice only.
Ah, so all the threats of an infinite life of constant torture don't play into it. You really think you'd have 1% of your numbers if people weren't threatened into believing? It's not a choice. It's blackmail. Since it is fact - the future "torture" part, I mean - why not heed the warning. Now and again you must heed a warning or two. so why not heed this one and save yourself from it? |
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Now it is you who is "fairytaling." Read scientific journals. Then you will see. Peer review is how we know scientific fact is fact and not just bible talk. I agree that some scientific review is fact. But much of it has been built of previous "IF" ideas. |
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You play with semantics. I doubt that there is any bible person who thinks that the moon is light.
Well, I hope that even with the weekly brainwashing, most cult members manage to talk to enough normal people to realize it's reflected light - not it's own source. My point is - back when the bible was written - everyone believed the moon was it's own light source. How can you believe anything that is written in such a book? Answer: You usually don't unless you are forced through repeated church visits. The Bible was written for everyone. In order to make it understandable, it had to be written in a way that was for the people who would read it. The choice of not believing it is a choice only. |
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Again, you don't know that what yo are writing here is fact. Again, I do. I can prove the scientific theories in my own home anytime. That's how science works. If you are getting all your information from the bible (because there is no other information available) then you don't know what you are writing is fact. So stop passing it off as fact and promoting ignorance. That's what I have been saying about scientific theories all along!. They can be proven to be theories. In addition many of the theories can be proven to be talk only, and not theories at all. |
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Gradually, we are finding that there are written records of the things written in the Bible. Israel, the nation that was the "home" for the early Bible was destroyed, finally. It is the conqueror who writes the history.
No, we're not. Like your priests, information is being moulded to fit into your brainwashing. The only place the information is shared is in church with other brainwashed members. Such information will eventually be peer reviewed and restricted to the realm of fairy tales. The Egyptian "plagues" were cause by a long drought. The Egyptians eventually let their slaves go because they couldn't be fed. Nothing to do with your imaginary god. Now it is you who is "fairytaling." |
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The Earth is not motionless
The quoted bible passage has to do with a poetic way of saying that the earth's whole cosmology is set and cannot be changed.
How do you know this? Your priest told you? How does he know this? His priest told him? That's what brainwashing is. Ignoring the proof before your eyes over what you have been repeatedly told. The earth moves, dude. It's in the way it is written. Read it yourself, and you will see. |
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The point is, we can only guess what the ice core samples are showing us because, we don't know for sure how they were deposited in the distant past.
YOU can only guess - your religion has had no new answers for 2,000 years.  You seem to not comprehend how much we have learned in 2,000 years! Science knows exactly when the ice was laid down and even what the atmosphere was like at the time. All using tools and knowledge you could use in the comfort of your own home should you choose to open your closed mind. New answers? Why would one want new answers when the old ones are the correct ones? Science simply thinks that it knows about the origins of the ice in the core samples. |
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The moon is not a light
But that's really all we knew of it until we went there.
Of course! That's what the bible is - written based on the beliefs of the time - beliefs we have since proved to be wrong. So why do you still believe? Answer: Brainwashing. The only other answer is you are being wilfully ignorant. You play with semantics. I doubt that there is any bible person who thinks that the moon is light. The way that people wrote back then is different from the way that we write. That's all. Consider, we may find in the future that all material is really made out of light. Who knows what scientists will discover. |
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The vast majority of the world has been brainwashed by whatever other than the Bible has brainwashed them.
Brainwashing is a religious delight. I am not forced to congregate with other brainwashed people once a week lest my common sense start taking hold. I don't need my physics teachers to prove to me weekly that gravity pulls me down. I'm not forced to repeat brainwashed phrases a dozen time a week (the lord is with you, and also with you).... Why do you guys feel the need to keep reminding you of your faith? Because without constant reinforcement, brainwashing fades. That is why every year your god loses followers (even in the US!) and more people pronounce they don't believe in fairly tales anymore. You are a dying breed. Well, finally you are saying something that is true. Only you are talking about your religion of atheism, even though you don't know it. |
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I am hoping that there hasn't been something like a big black hole that has destroyed all of the rest of space, and simply hasn't gotten here. If its destruction is propagated at the speed of light, the only people that might have an instant inkling that destruction is upon us, will be the astronomers that happen to have their eye to the telescope when it hits.
The smarter people would agree with me on this.
Because you just stated scientific fact. There is a giant black hole at the centre of most galaxies, including the Milky Way. In a few hundred billion years the earth will be pulled in. Your bible doesn't mention this, because the people who wrote it were ignorant. And you are promoting their ignorance 2,000 years later. Again, you don't know that what yo are writing here is fact. |
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As far as fact goes, essentially nothing in the Bible has been proven wrong. But many scientific theories about things like evolution have been proven wrong, often by the same scientist that made the particular theory.
Woah, woah woah...Back up...where are you getting this from? Quite to the contrary: nearly everything in the Bible has been proven false either through just being straight up wrong or by exclusion from written history. By the latter I simply mean the events in question simply are not mentioned, outside the Bible of course. No Egyptian inscriptions of the adopted son of Pharoah bringing plagues upon Egypt, killing babies, parting the Red Sea, jacking all Pharoah's slaves...and these are people who wrote about EVERYTHING. The same can be said of Jesus...nothing is ever mentioned anywhere outside of the Bible. You would think in a time when people are painting and carving things about every God and event and even political campaigns in Pompeii at least one thing might be found proclaiming the miracles of Jesus at all. Everything in the Bible is written no closer than the third person, usually further separated, and the final draft that we know and resent today was actually written several hundred years after the written about events. It is actually a pet theory of mine that the story of Jesus was contrived by the Romans as a tool to maintain control of their vast empire through religious doctrine since it was becoming impossible to rule through political means. You cannot rule the world through government...but you sure as hell can through religion. The final draft of the Bible as we know it was compiled, not written. As far as Egyptian history, it's only recently that archaeologists have been able to agree on the timeline of much of it, simply because of what the Egyptian people wrote as fact, when in reality it was exaggerated. Gradually, we are finding that there are written records of the things written in the Bible. Israel, the nation that was the "home" for the early Bible was destroyed, finally. It is the conqueror who writes the history. |
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Our sun is not the same age as the rest of the stars. Stars are considerably older than the earth.
The quoted Bible passage suggests that the stars were made at a different time than the sun was, by at least a few seconds, anyway. But we don't know that the stars are considerably older than the earth for a fact. The ONLY scientific method we have for determining that the stars even exist is the starlight that comes from the sky. Again, it is all based on the scientific "IF."
Absolutely we know this for a fact. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's not true. There are people a lot smarter than you in the world. Do you believe president Obama exists? The only method you have for determining this is from the light that comes off your TV.  I am hoping that there hasn't been something like a big black hole that has destroyed all of the rest of space, and simply hasn't gotten here. If its destruction is propagated at the speed of light, the only people that might have an instant inkling that destruction is upon us, will be the astronomers that happen to have their eye to the telescope when it hits. The smarter people would agree with me on this. |
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The easiest historical fact to disprove in the bible is the world wide flood. There are ice core samples from the south pole that go back almost 120,000 years. They form layers just like tree rings. Studies of ice core samples reveal a lot of information about weather each year and these show that there was no world wide flood anywhere near that time.
For me, the closest thing to God is the mathematical nature of the universe. Sometimes when I learn a new theorem or procedure, I can see such beauty in it that I wonder if this is what people mean when they say they saw the face of God.
Without going into great detail... We were taught in school that the speed of light is a constant at approximately 186,000 miles per second. It is only recently that the knowledge that the speed of light changes, and that some scientists have known about this for decades, has come to public light (pun intended). The point is, we can only guess what the ice core samples are showing us because, we don't know for sure how they were deposited in the distant past. |
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As far as fact goes, essentially nothing in the Bible has been proven wrong.
See? This is why you can't argue with a brainwashed person. They will flat out lie to protect their cult. If I cared to spend any time, I could show a thousand of these examples. Ther brainwashed will call the sky pink if that is what their god says - even though they look at it and see it is blue. The moon is not a lightGenesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made thestars also. Our sun is not the same age as the rest of the stars. Stars are considerably older than the earth.Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. The Earth is not motionlessPsalms 104:5 The Earth is firmly fixed; it shall not be moved. If you believe science is a lie and your god will save you, go step off a cliff, you fool. You and your word games. The moon is not a lightBut that's really all we knew of it until we went there. Our sun is not the same age as the rest of the stars. Stars are considerably older than the earth.The quoted Bible passage suggests that the stars were made at a different time than the sun was, by at least a few seconds, anyway. But we don't know that the stars are considerably older than the earth for a fact. The ONLY scientific method we have for determining that the stars even exist is the starlight that comes from the sky. Again, it is all based on the scientific "IF." The Earth is not motionlessThe quoted bible passage has to do with a poetic way of saying that the earth's whole cosmology is set and cannot be changed. Happy now? I played your game a little. |
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The Bible has strength by default, simply because of this.
Only for those brainwashed by it. That's the key. For the vast majority of the world, the bible is simply an outdated book that says rape victims should be forced to marry their attackers. The vast majority of the world has been brainwashed by whatever other than the Bible has brainwashed them. Often, however, they have the excuse of not having the availability of the Bible in their location, although the Bible is making many inroads into Southeast Asia. Rather than realizing that modern science has not proven many of the things that it expresses as fact, people go on believing in the scientific lies. |
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wow.. very nice pic.
I like it
hot asian grils.
spelling >>> "grills," not "grils."  |
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While the Bible has all kinds of statements, it is from the past. So, until the scientists can virtually prove Bible statements wrong, these Bible statements stand.
Surely, that's the wrong way round. Shouldn't we assume the bible statements are fiction until they are proven true? The thread wasn't talking about what we should or should not be assuming. It was talking about why atheists debaters use political speaking rather than getting down to the proof. My post explains that. As far as fact goes, essentially nothing in the Bible has been proven wrong. But many scientific theories about things like evolution have been proven wrong, often by the same scientist that made the particular theory. The Bible has strength by default, simply because of this. So, consider the strength that it would have if it were proven true. |
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