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39421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 20, 2014, 03:42:53 PM

Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Who did Jesus speak these words to? Wasn't it the Jews?

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Are you saying the OT is obsolete? Does that mean incest is okay by God's command, since you know, the NT does not prohibit that anywhere?

I have never said the OT is obsolete. That's the trouble with people. They want to satisfy their own lusts, and so they read all kinds of things into what their teachers say. Now watch this. Somebody is going to say something like, "What's this BADecker trying to say, now? That he's our teacher?"

Smiley
39422  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 20, 2014, 03:28:51 PM
Those who say "Oh, it's not 'real' Christianity", need to look up what the "No true Scotsman fallacy" is
Not applicable. Almost every Christian adheres to (... or rather, is supposed to) an explicit ruleset created in the New Testament along with some additional axioms carried over from the Old Testament. Each denomination has specific interpretations (by man) providing a strict ruleset, but obviously, there can be only one truth with regards to God's and Christ's intentions, and most denominations declare their ruleset follows that intent. For example, some denominations have rules where phrasing that last sentence as "God's and Christ's" would be blasphemy, and there would be no room for interpretation because their men have interpreted the intent of God's and Christ's intent in that way. -But most denominations have liberalized over the years, some even becoming secular/"non-denominational," conceding morality in exchange for a larger member base accepting a vague, flexible - useless - ruleset.

As I was raised, a Catholic wouldn't be considered a true Christian because of their repeat violations both explicitly in their laws and implicitly by actions done in the name of Christ (rather, the Pope and, in older times, government controlling the pope). They've scrubbed Christ's words for their own ends and functioned as an authoritarian, militant government with some ridiculous claim that they have the authority to kill people before living through their natural life and possessing all opportunities to accept their obligations as was intended by God. They're considered idolaters who insist on putting decadent false prophets before Christ, and are necessarily disconnected from the message of Christ. I mean -- forget Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Confucians, and Buddhists, because these Catholics are running around like wolves in sheep's clothing who all need to be explicitly excommunicated - at least everyone else has a different ruleset. -but I was raised Baptist (really, Anabaptist) with a strong iconoclast sentiment pounded into us where a church owning property is itself a sinful act. It's not "no true Christian," it's "here're the rules you've institutionalized violation of, thus becoming a puppet of the devil." There wasn't some exhaustive text on what kind of ideas and rules you had to accept to be a Scot, but there are exhaustive texts on what you need to accept to be a Christian.

Incidentally, I haven't fully shaken Baptism from my own code. I found myself mildly offended when a great-aunt-in-law "baptized" my daughter when she was an infant (she didn't realize she was seen), not because my daughter was being involuntarily associated with stupid Christian rituals with absolutely zero effect, but because it made a statement to God that she accepted Christ and His ruleset without her being able to declare it herself. It's like a government forcing someone to be a citizen because they were born in a certain location. -Like, she can't even speak and you violated her sacred obligation as a creation of God (which, by God, only she has liberty to reject or accept) -- the very idea that a Catholic implies they have God-given authority over my daughter's soul offended me, as well as being offended on God's behalf since I was raised to be very sure this was an explicit rule violation. I know it's dumb as Hell, but it initially struck me as a rule violation which'd piss God off, because now if she wants to make a commitment to adhere to Christianity, she has to reject the Catholic soul-fascism at her real baptism, which means I have to talk to her about why her great aunt is an unwitting agent of Satan. Cheesy

Part of that "rule-set" is to kill your son if he is caught listening to hip hop

Most Bible Old Testament law was for Israel/Jews only.

Love for God above all things, and love for your fellow human being as yourself is for everyone.

The rules for non-Israel/non-Jews are:
1. abstain from food polluted by idols;
2. abstain from sexual immorality;
3. abstain from eating the meat of strangled animals;
4. abstain from eating blood.

Your choice is one of the 2 positions above... be a Jew or don't be one.

If you don't follow loving God above all things, and your fellow human being as yourself, you are lost. If you die without changing, you will be lost permanently. If you accept being a Jew, follow all the Jewish laws. If you don't want to be a Jew, then follow the 4 that are listed.

Everyone is required to love God above all things, and to love fellow human beings as himself/herself.

All this stuff about how God is requiring ridiculous stuff from everyone, is itself ridiculous. Follow what I have written here, and you will be just fine. The only other thing for eternal life is to believe in Jesus, that He will raise you from the dead to life.

Get off all this nonsensical bickering about how bad Jewish laws were for the Jews. If you are not a Jew, they don't apply to you, no matter what the churches say. Remember, church leaders go into training. And a lot of the training is in what the Jews believed. So, they can't help it when they tell you to do like Jews even though you are not Jews.

Smiley

Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.


Are you saying the OT is obsolete? Does that mean incest is okay by God's command, since you know, the NT does not prohibit that anywhere?

Incest is not love, even though it might seem very loving depending on the partners.  Smiley

The place in the Acts of the Apostles that listed the 4 rules for Gentile converts to Christianity also says wording to the effect of, "for the law is preached every sabbath in all the synagogs."
39423  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 20, 2014, 01:44:32 AM
Does anybody really think that if the method that the universe was made happened to be revealed, that there is anybody that could even understand it? The whole universe is so extremely complex, that nobody could understand what he was looking at if he saw the way or the thing that caused the universe to come into being. The universe is THAT complex. Finding Higgs, be there one or many, is like finding a drop of water in the ocean when compared with what the ocean is and what exists therein.

Keep on playing.

Smiley

I believe that every able-bodied human has the capacity to understand everything that is necessary for him to understand, and that the reason this is true is that the most "true" interpretation of reality is that which is directly experienced and therefore independent of rationale and abstraction.  I believe that this is the only sort of information that can be absolutely known (i.e. known through direct and perfect means, which is different than knowing through indirect means such as evidence or 'proof').

I believe that you are close to right, if not right exactly.

That still doesn't answer the question of scientific proof.

Salvation by believing in Jesus is the only way. That salvation comes through reading or hearing the Word of God, only... no other way.

However, since God created the workings of the universe through speaking them into being, there just might be a whole lot of people who will hear God's word even though they don't read the Bible, and are saved anyway. BUT, BUT, BUT, don't depend on this for salvation. After all, hearing the Word of God through nature doesn't present very much clarity. Read and believe the Bible.

Smiley
39424  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 20, 2014, 01:30:13 AM
Those who say "Oh, it's not 'real' Christianity", need to look up what the "No true Scotsman fallacy" is
Not applicable. Almost every Christian adheres to (... or rather, is supposed to) an explicit ruleset created in the New Testament along with some additional axioms carried over from the Old Testament. Each denomination has specific interpretations (by man) providing a strict ruleset, but obviously, there can be only one truth with regards to God's and Christ's intentions, and most denominations declare their ruleset follows that intent. For example, some denominations have rules where phrasing that last sentence as "God's and Christ's" would be blasphemy, and there would be no room for interpretation because their men have interpreted the intent of God's and Christ's intent in that way. -But most denominations have liberalized over the years, some even becoming secular/"non-denominational," conceding morality in exchange for a larger member base accepting a vague, flexible - useless - ruleset.

As I was raised, a Catholic wouldn't be considered a true Christian because of their repeat violations both explicitly in their laws and implicitly by actions done in the name of Christ (rather, the Pope and, in older times, government controlling the pope). They've scrubbed Christ's words for their own ends and functioned as an authoritarian, militant government with some ridiculous claim that they have the authority to kill people before living through their natural life and possessing all opportunities to accept their obligations as was intended by God. They're considered idolaters who insist on putting decadent false prophets before Christ, and are necessarily disconnected from the message of Christ. I mean -- forget Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Confucians, and Buddhists, because these Catholics are running around like wolves in sheep's clothing who all need to be explicitly excommunicated - at least everyone else has a different ruleset. -but I was raised Baptist (really, Anabaptist) with a strong iconoclast sentiment pounded into us where a church owning property is itself a sinful act. It's not "no true Christian," it's "here're the rules you've institutionalized violation of, thus becoming a puppet of the devil." There wasn't some exhaustive text on what kind of ideas and rules you had to accept to be a Scot, but there are exhaustive texts on what you need to accept to be a Christian.

Incidentally, I haven't fully shaken Baptism from my own code. I found myself mildly offended when a great-aunt-in-law "baptized" my daughter when she was an infant (she didn't realize she was seen), not because my daughter was being involuntarily associated with stupid Christian rituals with absolutely zero effect, but because it made a statement to God that she accepted Christ and His ruleset without her being able to declare it herself. It's like a government forcing someone to be a citizen because they were born in a certain location. -Like, she can't even speak and you violated her sacred obligation as a creation of God (which, by God, only she has liberty to reject or accept) -- the very idea that a Catholic implies they have God-given authority over my daughter's soul offended me, as well as being offended on God's behalf since I was raised to be very sure this was an explicit rule violation. I know it's dumb as Hell, but it initially struck me as a rule violation which'd piss God off, because now if she wants to make a commitment to adhere to Christianity, she has to reject the Catholic soul-fascism at her real baptism, which means I have to talk to her about why her great aunt is an unwitting agent of Satan. Cheesy

Part of that "rule-set" is to kill your son if he is caught listening to hip hop

Most Bible Old Testament law was for Israel/Jews only.

Love for God above all things, and love for your fellow human being as yourself is for everyone.

The rules for non-Israel/non-Jews are:
1. abstain from food polluted by idols;
2. abstain from sexual immorality;
3. abstain from eating the meat of strangled animals;
4. abstain from eating blood.

Your choice is one of the 2 positions above... be a Jew or don't be one.

If you don't follow loving God above all things, and your fellow human being as yourself, you are lost. If you die without changing, you will be lost permanently. If you accept being a Jew, follow all the Jewish laws. If you don't want to be a Jew, then follow the 4 that are listed.

Everyone is required to love God above all things, and to love fellow human beings as himself/herself.

All this stuff about how God is requiring ridiculous stuff from everyone, is itself ridiculous. Follow what I have written here, and you will be just fine. The only other thing for eternal life is to believe in Jesus, that He will raise you from the dead to life.

Get off all this nonsensical bickering about how bad Jewish laws were for the Jews. If you are not a Jew, they don't apply to you, no matter what the churches say. Remember, church leaders go into training. And a lot of the training is in what the Jews believed. So, they can't help it when they tell you to do like Jews even though you are not Jews.

Smiley
39425  Other / Politics & Society / Re: THOUSANDS of Chemical Weapons Discovered at Iraqi Complex Now Held By ISIS on: October 19, 2014, 11:23:10 PM
Maybe we could use lasers to destroy ISIS, from the ISS.   Grin
39426  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 19, 2014, 11:13:13 PM
Does anybody really think that if the method that the universe was made happened to be revealed, that there is anybody that could even understand it? The whole universe is so extremely complex, that nobody could understand what he was looking at if he saw the way or the thing that caused the universe to come into being. The universe is THAT complex. Finding Higgs, be there one or many, is like finding a drop of water in the ocean when compared with what the ocean is and what exists therein.

Keep on playing.

Smiley
39427  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 19, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
Huh? The scientific proof of God is in the fact that we found the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe.

Smiley
The name 'The God Particle' has absolutely nothing to do with proving/disproving a god.  The name was given based on this book.

Many physicists also think that there may be more than one type of Higgs Boson: http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/physical_sciences/physicists-indicate-existence-of-multiple-higgs-bosons

Oh drat. And it was starting to sound so good, too.   Cheesy
39428  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [Poll] Free Ross OR Kill Ross <search for public opinion> on: October 19, 2014, 10:43:26 PM
Look. Standard law is that a person is allowed to face his accuser. More standard law is that there must be harm or damage that can be proved to be done by the accused.

If Ross stands as a man, and requires his accuser come forward and prove the damage or harm done with affidavit verified proof, from the witness stand, they better have such.

If Ross does these 5 things he will go free if they don't have the verified witness:

1. Stand as a man;
2. Require his accuser come forward (not be represented, but come in person);
3. Require his accuser verify/validate by affidavit, from the witness stand that there is harm or damage done;
4. Require his accuser reveal the harm or damage, and how it was done by Ross;
5. Require his accuser have a verifying witness to all that is stated in the accusation affidavit.

This is standard American, Canadian and British law.

If there are witnesses, then he must pay according to the harm or damage he did. Otherwise not. If he goes free, he can sue for the bitcoins back, along with hardship loss, and litigation fee damages.

Smiley

EDIT: But he can't do this if he doesn't know that he can, or if he doesn't know the way to do it. Do you think his attorneys will reveal it to him?
39429  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: October 19, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
if only i could invent a time machine and steal this idea back in 2009

Yes, but if you did, you would be so rich that you would have forgotten all about your time machine by today. So, you would never invent it, and you would be right where you are now.

 Grin
39430  Other / Off-topic / Re: Would you live in Mars? on: October 19, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
Only if I could grok such an idea beforehand.   Cheesy
39431  Other / Off-topic / Re: Mathematical proof of god on: October 19, 2014, 10:08:17 PM
I really don't know why I read this whole thread.

Yes, but did you grok it?   Cheesy
39432  Other / Off-topic / Re: If you had 1000000 Bitcoins? on: October 19, 2014, 09:52:29 PM
C'mon. Think big! 21,000,000.   Grin
39433  Other / Off-topic / Re: are you people coward then why not tell your name? on: October 19, 2014, 09:44:17 PM
What's the dif? Any name you say is your name, IS YOUR NAME. You have just made it your name by saying so. Just be careful how you use it.

 Tongue
39434  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 19, 2014, 09:31:08 PM
Huh? The scientific proof of God is in the fact that we found the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe.

Smiley
39435  Other / Off-topic / Re: Mathematical proof of god on: October 19, 2014, 09:29:14 PM
Huh? The mathematical proof of God is the math that predicted the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe.

Smiley
39436  Other / Off-topic / Re: If you had 1000000 Bitcoins? on: October 19, 2014, 08:47:41 PM
I'd let it slip out that I had 1 or 2.    Kiss
39437  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: October 19, 2014, 08:39:41 PM
I wonder who belongs to this? (From http://pro.wsdinsider.com/TAOREWARDSWCX/ETAOQA25/)


A Classic bitcoin farm.

(Prompted by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=828208.msg9254538#msg9254538)

Smiley
39438  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 18, 2014, 08:33:47 PM
Christianity today isn't what Christianity was 2000 years ago. Most Christians don't want to admit this, but wouldn't adhere to "Real Christianity." Much of it's irrelevant if not outright counter to ideology held by most of today's modern Christians. Instead, it's a set of rules guided by men, often at conferences where they talk about which rules to ignore in the Bible like it's a US attorney general talking about which rules of the Constitution to ignore, whose rules are relayed (either in these conferences or through television/pamphlets/whatever) by pastors/deacons/whatever to members of this voluntary government. This is true of all religions I'm aware of.

-So when they talk about their religious customs or opinions extrapolated from any religious text, I think it's worth respecting insofar as it's worth respecting that they willfully submit to a set of rules which generally command they act in a way the rest of us would consider moral. Geography-based, non-voluntary governments aren't generally accepted to enforce "non-pragmatic morality" (... .... though this thought seems to be eroding every day), so it's reasonable to have "gap coverage" for people who want a more comprehensive set of rules we "all" agree on. The value of religion, though, erodes dramatically if they don't command a high market share with regards to the adherent market.

-But it should be sold that way, these days, I think, if it's to be honest. It should just be a kind of honor code, and if you want to have a bumper sticker saying you adhere to the set of rules, and even if you try to "convert" people to accept your honor code -- great! At least everyone else can know what to expect. ... I'm not totally put off to the idea that honor codes should exist... but the books of most religions are far too long, and in archaic language. The Bible, I'd guess, could probably be compressed to ~20 pages at most.

We all want these kinds of rulesets to some extent, I think. Some want the exhaustive Bible list (or just the 10 Commandments), some want the exhaustive list in the Koran... some have their own individual codes (or as they interpret the NAP)... some go by mafia codes... some go by law. If we could just all agree on what is and isn't the behavior of an asshole, I'd guess there'd be no conflict.

Christianity isn't Christianity like it was 2000 years ago because, as secularism has spread, politics has become the replacement. and money/power is God.

Seriously.  The parallels between religious and secular/political dominion, governance, and worship are astonishing.  All of the dogma is the same, just wrapped in a different package.  It's pretty hard to keep a populous in squalor for 2,000 years by keeping them gleeful by telling them the more poor they are the easier it will be to find salvation.  It's much easier to let people spend themselves silly into squalor.

Good post.  Mine is just a tangential comment.

Real Christianity has to do with following the ways of Jesus... especially the part about believing and accepting Him for salvation in the resurrection.

Secular Christianity involves all the things that you say. True Christianity involves my previous paragraph. Both can be active in a person, but the more he becomes spiritually involved with true Christianity, the more secular Christianity will fade from his life.

Smiley
39439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: October 18, 2014, 08:21:57 PM
Because my friends, this battlecry of individualism is, to be frank, fucking scary to listen/read.

Objectivism and libertarianism aren't the same thing, although they do share a lot of the same principles.  Ayn Rand didn't care much for libertarianism.

What part of individual liberty scares you?  There's nothing in libertarianism that says you can't form a voluntary collective, if collectivism is your thing.

This is true.

The basics for living a right life, before the time of Jesus, were:

Love God above all things;
Love your neighbor as yourself.

The basics after Jesus are:

Love your neighbor as yourself... because Jesus is bringing us into God so that God is now, also, our neighbor.

One simple way is to apply the following:

1. Do no harm to your neighbor. At times this includes protecting him from harm;
2. Do not damage your neighbor's property. At times this includes protecting your neighbor's property;
3. Fulfill your contracts and agreements as long as they do not "break" the first two.

These things can be difficult to do, even if you have a willing heart, and an able body.

For more information, fill yourself on the Bible.

For some of the best, practical, legal ideals and methods, the themes of which fit our "free" societies today, read and study Blackstone.

Smiley
39440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: October 18, 2014, 08:01:25 PM
With more than 1300 citations according to Google scholar, One cannot simply ignore this scientific paper about Altruism by W.D. Hamilton

The Evolution of Altruistic Behaviour

And if we think rationally, we can  even say empathy and altruism are just a strategy to maximize the gene pool by the selfish genes!


This !!!  

Smiley

Self-professed libertarians, riddle me this!

Prototypical libertarian, John Locke, wrote this line in Second Treatise of Civil Government (Chapter 2):

"Every one as he is bound to preserve himself, and not to quit his Station wilfully; so by the like reason when his own Preservation comes not in competition, ought he, as much as he can, to preserve the rest of Mankind, and may not unless it be to do Justice on an Offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the Preservation of the Life, the Liberty, Health, Limb or Goods of another."

Less than three centuries later, Ayn Rand wrote this in The Virtue of Selfishness (Chapter 1, The Objectivist Ethics):

"The basic social principle of the Objectivist ethics is that just as life is an end in itself, so every living human being is an end in himself, not the means to the ends or the welfare of others—and, therefore, that man must live for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. To live for his own sake means that the achievement of his own happiness is man’s highest moral purpose."

Over three centuries after Locke's death, Ron Paul emerged to become the public face of paleolibertarianism. I would bet a satoshi or two (I'm cavalier that way), most of the self-professed libertarians in this thread were converted to the cause by Paul. However, despite Paul's latter day apparent support of voluntary altruism, his past tells a different story. In his own words,

"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. The fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism."

I won't even bring up his newsletters, his off the cuff comments or his remarks to his homosexual aide.

Instead, I'll finish this riddle with this question: Has libertarianism undergone a 180 degree turn in the past 330 years, or is this merely the case of a personality cult?
Because my friends, this battlecry of individualism is, to be frank, fucking scary to listen/read.

Oh, and watch this before responding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=632CHpeHYZE


LOL >>> "I would bet a satoshi or two (I'm cavalier that way)..."

Because of the way God is trying to rescue us from evil, good and evil have been combined within the hearts and souls of all of us, and even in the whole world. The wicked have some good, and the righteous have some evil.

My understanding of Ayn Rand leads me to believe that she used the good that was within herself to further evil. My understanding of Ron Paul is that he has sifted out much of the evil from his life, and is passing on the good to us. Only God knows the heart. Both of them understood/understand good and evil... at least to some extent. Let us pick up the good, and put the evil to rest once and for all.

Smiley
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