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39501  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: October 08, 2014, 11:26:33 PM

striking girl wow Shocked

Who wants to hit a woman?!   Angry
39502  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: October 08, 2014, 11:23:59 PM
i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world


I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

Remember, the origin of Christianity was just one guy, who gathered around Himself a dozen disciples. He didn't even go after people. His start was simply trying to help out at a wedding when He turned water into wine. It was the people seeking Him out, after than, that started the religion. It was a bunch of people - a good segment of the nation of ancient Israel - who sought Him out to make Him their King and religious leader. Where do yo draw the line?

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Actually, as near as we can determine, it was started (in a way) by the one sect of Judaism NOT specifically named and called out in the Christian scriptures: The Essenes. There is no good evidence that Yeheshua Ben Yusef actually ever existed, though it's a common enough name for the time. But the precepts are exactly Essene, and many essene writings of the time and a bit before are directly in line with early Christianity.

And I draw the line at provable reality AND harm to others. Not a very wide line.

Don't we have writings from both Pontious Pilate and whichever Caesar was ruling at the time of Jesus' death, that describe Him as being blonde?

Smiley
39503  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I think Pantera Capital is wrong in their $4.2 million/BTC estimate on: October 08, 2014, 11:19:06 PM
@BADecker: It's why i posted a link to the original story, rather than attempting to reformat it using simple machines forums' syntax. If i do so in the future, rather than copy/paste to give people a way to access it without leaving this site, would it be better to simply create an .html as you did and post that? I mean, is that the preferable way of doing things?

Hey man. You can do what you want. Someone made a little complaint, above. I didn't even look to see who it was. I had already done the coding because I like to code a little, so, being the simpleton that I am, I posted it.

To me, a link is probably better. But posted code is better if the linked site goes away.

Smiley
39504  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 11:14:45 PM
God wins in the end; that is all that is meant by "almighty".

Well, actually, it means more like God is in complete control all the time.  Smiley

Time is not really a thing.

But since we perceive time as something, we can talk about it as such.  Smiley
39505  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 11:11:21 PM
Let me put this straight, a thing to be a thing has to have the characteristics of the thing.
If you have a small animal that barfs, you wouldn't call it a cat. If you have a small bush you wouldn't call it a tree. Same goes for God. Something to be God has to meet the "Godly requirements".
Almost, if not all, religions preaches a God that is powerless, can't do anything and requires humans to do his jobs. This doesn't qualify for "Almighty", such creature, if existed and wasn't pure imagination, at best would be slightly stronger than a human, but so is a crane and nobody calls cranes Gods.

To sum this up,

To the absolute knowledge there is no God at all; I'm Agnostic.
About the God or Gods described by religions; I'm strongly Atheist - not only there is no proof of their existence, as there is proof of their non-existence, being it the ignorance such God(s) suffers from and more than obvious evidence they were created by someone reflecting the knowledge of his time.

God is love at the same time He is almighty and completely perfect. Imagine the Bitcoin client. How much of the code can you scrap before it wouldn't work properly? How many mistakes can you make in the code before it will give false answers and mess everything up? There are a lot of altcoin creator wannabe's who found out.

If you limit God to your ideas of what you think He is like, without leaving room for Him to be Who He is, you are always going to get the wrong picture. Because He is Who He is, and because we are what we are, we will probably NEVER get a perfect picture of Him in this life. However, if He wants us to have a perfect and complete picture of Him in this life, He can do it.

Smiley
39506  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
God wins in the end; that is all that is meant by "almighty".

Well, actually, it means more like God is in complete control all the time.  Smiley
39507  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I think Pantera Capital is wrong in their $4.2 million/BTC estimate on: October 08, 2014, 11:00:26 PM
Here's a chunk of good code that will almost work. Simply copy it, paste it into a plain old, blank text file. Give the file a name that ends in ".html" and open with your browser.

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I feel it's important to note that while it took me some time to come around to bitcoin (a friend first mentioned it to me in the 2010 or 2011 time-frame, to which I essentially just rolled my eyes and said "that's nice"), I have since seen some of the light and do think/will agree that bitcoin does indeed have a future. With that said, no matter how many mental leaps I make, I can't come close to agreeing with Pantera's assessment of the value of the technology.

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<a id="Atlantic" name="Atlantic"></a>Strangely, on the first page of the report, by quoting an article titled <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/why-the-gold-standard-is-the-worlds-worst-economic-idea-in-2-charts/261552/">"Why the Gold Standard Is the World's Worst Economic Idea"</a>, by <a href="https://twitter.com/ObsoleteDogma">Matthew O'Brien</a> from the <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com">Atlantic</a>, Pantera makes a rather strong argument FOR fiat currencies. That quote can be summarized as follows:
<p style="padding-left: 60px;"><em>Exactly zero economists endorsed [returning to the gold standard] in a recent poll ... It <strong>prevents the central bank from fighting recessions</strong> by outsourcing monetary policy decisions to how much gold we have ... When we peg the dollar to gold we have to raise interest rates when gold is scarce, regardless of the state of the economy. <strong>This policy inflexibility was the major cause of the Great Depression</strong>, as governments were forced to tighten policy at the worst possible moment. <strong>It's no coincidence that the sooner a country abandoned the gold standard, the sooner it began recovering</strong>.”</em></p>
Pantera continues, explaining in their own words that <em>"inflation (and deflation) was much worse under the gold standard than it has been since"</em>, and that a return to such would not lead to any form of price stability.

So far, in their argument for bitcoin, Pantera has explained that the root cause of <a href="http://www.history.com/topics/great-depression">Great Depression</a> was due to the <a href="http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/1999/march/monetary-policy-and-the-great-crash-of-1929-a-bursting-bubble-or-collapsing-fundamentals/">monetary inflexibility</a> (of course, <a href="http://www.freedomworks.org/content/debunking-myths-great-depression">others disagree with that assessment</a>) that was imposed on countries who operated under the gold standard, that the sooner a nation abandoned the gold standard in favor of fiat currency, the sooner they recovered from the Depression, and that both inflation and depression have been far more pronounced when monetary policy is dictated by the supply of a scarce resource. While factual, I'd expect a pro-bitcoin article to gloss over such details, not emphasize them.

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<strong>But all that is just an aside, let me continue...</strong>

Citing the <a href="http://www.gold.org">World Gold Council</a>, Pantera shows that from 2010 through 2013, world-wide demand for gold amounted to 17,500 metric tons, of which 8,400 tons were used for jewelry, 5,900 tons were purchased for investment purposes, 1,600 tons in industry, 170 tons for dentistry and 1,500 tons were purchased by central banks (if you're using a calculator, I'll admit that the numbers won't total correctly, as I did some rounding).

<strong>Jewelry is not an investment in gold...</strong>

Pantera assumes gold jewelry to be an investment and argues that by moving their wealth from gold jewelry to bitcoin, and Indian family's (without access to banks, but presumably with access to the internet) wealth would be much safer.

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<BR>Lets first point out that jewelry is one of the worst possible ways to "invest" in gold. Even <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qOPhm1H4-f8J:https://www.thegoldbug.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=105&amp;Itemid=115">thegoldbug.com</a>, (the link goes to a cached version of the site on Google's servers, as the "real" site has been defaced by hackers), lists investing in gold in the form of jewelry as one of the top 10 mistakes, saying:
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">"<strong>Remember that Gold Jewelry is not an Investment</strong> — As with nuggets, jewelry is an unreliable source of gold. Not only is the<em> purity of the metal once again a concern,</em> but there is also <em>the added artisan's premium present in all jewelry</em>. The cost applied by the craftsman who made the piece will <em>always inflate the price well past the value of the metal alone</em>. Therefore, while jewelry may have value in its own right, it has <em>no place in the hands of an investor</em> who is looking to own gold as an asset. (<em>Emphasis' </em>are my own)</p>
Essentially, gold jewelry is a means of displaying that one has wealth, but to use the jewelry a method to store that wealth itself is a terrible idea. Whether the national currency of India is Rupees or bitcoin, Indians who want to display that they hold significant wealth will contiune to buy gold jewelry. Gold is "blng", and bitcoin, existing only in the form of electrons, has no "bling" factor. Arguing otherwise is essentially trying to argue that as a result of an ec51%onomy moving to bitcoin, that demand for <a href="http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/index">Mercedes</a>' or <a href="http://www.rolex.com">Rolex</a> watches will dry up. Right there, 48% of the gold demand which Pantera presumes that bitcoin could replace evaporates.

<strong>Bitcoins' "advantages" over gold. Are they really "advantages"?</strong>

Further along, when Pantera tries to explain the traits that bitcoin has but gold lacks, explaining that for gold miners to deliever the same service as bitcoin miners, they would have to provide armed guards, concealed tranaction values and a constantly updated ledger of transactions. None of these arguments make sense:
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   <li>a constantly updated ledger (for what? an up to date ledger is essential for a digital currency, yes, but for a physical currency, a ledger is of no added value - why do i need a transaction recorded in a ledger when I have my gold in hand?)</li>
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Furthermore, in explaining bitcoins' advantages over gold, they state that bitcoin is superior to gold due to the difficulty of theft. Dig through enought bitcoin-related discussions on <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/">Reddit's bitcoin-related threads</a> and <a href="https://bitcointalk.org">bitcointalk's forums</a> and you'll see that whether its because of a keylogger on one's computer, an exchange not using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication">2-Factor Authentication</a>, a user choosing an insecure method of generating a wallet (say, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ptuf3/brain_wallet_disaster/">brainwallet</a>, for example), or an <a href="https://www.mtgox.com/">exchange</a> declaring that all of their customers holdings are gone due to a "bug" in the bitcoin protocol, bitcoins can be stolen just as any other asset can be.

<strong>Would nations really rely on the blockchain to store their wealth?</strong>

They also describe the network of bitcoin miners as being a robust form of security. While presently true that achieving enough computing power to conduct a 51% attack is beyond most people means, if a nation adopted bitcoin as their currency, I could easily envision a scenario where a rival, or a group of rivals, could be motivated to discretely and covertly develop and deploy their own network of ASIC miners in order to conduct <a href="http://econwarfare.org">economic warfare</a> against that  state. And unlike the "limited" means that most of us have that places a 51% attack out of reach, once nation-states are in the game, there is no telling how many of their resources they would devote to such an effort. Just because such an event has not yet happened <a href="http://www.johnperkins.org">does not mean that it won't</a>, ESPECIALLY if bitcoin became the official currency of a country.

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<strong>Supply Limits</strong>

Another "advantage" they cite is bitcoin's strictly limited supply, compared to the continued mining of gold. I struggle to see the relevance - 165,000 metric tons of gold <a href="http://www.numbersleuth.org/worlds-gold/">has already been mined</a>, and the <a href="http://www.usgs.gov">US Geological Survey</a> that Pantera cites says that there are an esimated 52,000 metric tons of gold still remaining underground. Meanwhile, bitcoin mining continues along, creating 3600 new coins per day, and though reward halvings will continue to occur roughly every four years, the full supply of bitcoin won't have been mined until the year 2140.

Aside from that, recall earlier in their report when Pantera pointed out how the flexibility of fiat currencies was "superior" to the inflexibility imposed by using an asset of limited supply as a means of conducting trade. Now, it is a supposed advantage? They need to take one side of the argument or the other, not both.

<strong>So where does that leave us?</strong>

For starters, bitcoin is incapable of replacing gold in dentistry and industrial applications, two sources that contibute $66,114 to the $4.2 million final estimated value that bitcoin could achieve. Neither would bitcoin replace jewelry, as jewelry is means of displaying value, not storing it. There goes another $286,496 of their estimate. While it could and likely will be used as a means of investment, indeed, it already is, it's foolish to think that the bitcoin would replace 100% of the gold presently held either in investment portfolios or in safes. Yes, it is another instrument that people can use to invest their wealth in, but it won't erase nearly 10,000 years of human history and cause demand for holding gold as an investment to zero. Another $88,153 off of the value

<strong>And the biggest item on their list, world M2 (money supply)</strong>

First off, to bear down on the same point yet again, circle back to Pantera's original <a href="#Atlantic">quote from the Atlantic</a> regarding the effects of a nation sticking with the gold standard versus fiat currencies, as a bitcoin denominated economy would operate in a manner far closer to one operating under the gold standard than one with fiat currency.

Secondly, from what I just pointed out above, I have difficulty imaging any nation wanting to switch to bitcoin as their nominal currency, knowing that another nation could concievably overtake and subvert the entire network. The two biggest threats in that scenario would be the United States and China, both of whom have a deep supply of people with the necessary skillsets to design the needed hardware and the domestic production capacity to create the needed hardware without drawing any outside attention until it is too late.

<strong>And where does that leave bitcoin?</strong>

Despite my arguments above, I believe that bitcoin is still an asset that could possess significant value; as a peer-to-peer currency, it allows individuals to send money to one another quicker than sending checks through the mail and more inexpensively that wire transfers or worse, money transfer services.

It can certainly be adopted by companies as a means of receiving payments to cut down on credit card processing fees. The challenge there is convincing the customer to opt to pay using bitcoin and abandon the incentives offered by credit card companies to "charge" their purchases. Bitcoin doesn't have reward points, for instance, and more critically, consumers lose the ability to charge back a purchase if necessary (for instance, if a company refuses to adhere to its refund policy), or, to take an example from the bitcoin community - if <a style="text-decoration: line-through;" href="http://www.butterflylabs.com">Butterfl</a>... I mean, a company,  takes orders for a product and doesn't ship those orders until a year had passed.

The lack of ability to reverse a bitcoin transaction is frequently cited as reason why biusinesses should adopt bitcoin, but there are also plenty of legitimate reasons why consumers prefer to have that ability besides try to defraud merchants.

One place where the lack of chargebacks shouldn't be a concern to consumers are for products/services that can't really be returned anyways. Dining. Haircuts. Digital purchases such as software or musc (an area where <a href="https://www.paypal.com">Paypal's</a> subsidiary <a href="https://www.braintreepayments.com/blog/goodbye-passwords-one-touch-hello-bitcoin">Braintree</a> has already entered the market).

But for goods, especially from vendors whose ability or willingness to deliver those goods in a <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/1w2hdk/horrors_of_butterfly_labs/">timely manner might be in question</a>, most consumers will likely want a payment method that allows them to dispute the charge and recoup their money if the vendor doesn't honor their obligations.

<strong>That brings us to the next place where bitcoin can really shine - the remittance marketplace. </strong>

I fully expect bitcoin to either overtake or be adopted by <a href="http://www.dioxidized.com/2014/09/18/remittance-a-place-where-bitcoin-can-shine-today/">the remittance market</a>. For it to trully dominate, though, my personal thought is that bitcoins involvement in remittanes will need to be made transparent to the end-users; a remitter would simply walk into a store and hand their money to the cashier and provide instuctions as to where to send the funds. The transfer company would then buy bitcoins and send those coins to the branch were the receiver will be picking up their funds, who would then immediately sell those coins and deliver the proceeds in the recipients currency of choice.

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<br>Lastly, bitcoin can absolutely serve as a means to store wealth, but in my view, only it's only appropriate to use it as "store of value" as part of a diviersified investment portfolio. Asset prices flucuate - storing all of ones wealth in bitcoin should be just as frowned upon as storing all of ones wealth in shares of a single company, say, Fannie Mae, for example.

To conclude, while I think that bitcoin certainly has value in the future, I think that the maximum value of a single bitcoin well below the $4,291,060 estimate published by Pantera, and disagree with many of the reasons that Pantera cites that bitcoin could or should replace gold rather than being viewed as an asset to own in addition to gold (and real estate, and equities, and bonds, etc).

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39508  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop discussing war and politics. You are feeding the fire. on: October 08, 2014, 10:52:33 PM
such a dumb topic. yeah, we should stop talking about the bad guys, because ignorance is bliss? the best deterrent for the bad guys is public knowledge.

No, because that is exactly what the bad guys want you to do, perpetuate their false illusion of fear onto you and so forth.

The best aide to put out a fire is water.  Not to scream FIRE!

If you truly care about deterring the power through knowledge, you'd work to help people learn about the infinite being of love.

If we all woke up one day and gave absolutely no mind to the imaginary system of society, government and money, we would be truly free.  The world would function a lot better without parasitic entities leaching off the energy of humans.


Badecker, to say nobody has perfect love is a fallacy.  Love is light, positivity, truth, all.  We all hold love, as love is the universe, which we are.  The universe is a perfect balance of energies by it's nature, and that's what nature is, an equilibrium.

Wisdom brings peace.  Fear does not.

And the biggest bad guy is the devil, Satan, who doesn't even want you to know that he exists, so that it is easier for him to pull the strings behind the scenes.

Smiley

dank, what are you so afraid of that you want us to stop talking war and politics? Me thinks you are an arm of the devil trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
39509  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: October 08, 2014, 10:49:50 PM
i think we are not hate that religion , but we hate bad people / organization who hide behind that religion to make a mess in this world


I hate religion. No, let me rephrase that. I hate organized religion. A belief system held to oneself or imediate family that harms no other, I got no real problem with. Even if it's anti reality or just plain silly, it harms me not. Or as Thomas Jefferson said it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.

But when two nasty elements come together, as they do in relgious organization(s), it gets ugly. Those elements being the lust for power and the claim of ultimate authority. Most religions, I daresay all religious organizations, have a greater or lesser degree of these elements. I actually tend to single out Christianity as it has had the greatest personal detriment to me. Islam is no different in that.

The most rabid fundamentalist is harmless without backers, followers, and sycophants. Religion breeds 'em like rabbits.

Remember, the origin of Christianity was just one guy, who gathered around Himself a dozen disciples. He didn't even go after people. His start was simply trying to help out at a wedding when He turned water into wine. It was the people seeking Him out, after than, that started the religion. It was a bunch of people - a good segment of the nation of ancient Israel - who sought Him out to make Him their King and religious leader. Where do yo draw the line?

Smiley
39510  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I think Pantera Capital is wrong in their $4.2 million/BTC estimate on: October 08, 2014, 10:06:02 PM
One of the best ways to assure destruction of free trade in the world, is to make Bitcoin the leading form of money in the world.

If the electrical grid and the Internet crashed today, fiat would survive. Fiat would survive because people have cash in hand. If the grid and Internet never returned, people could (not easily) go back to record keeping by hand. Bitcoin, however, would be completely gone.

If the fiats of the world were ever overcome by Bitcoin to such an extent that Bitcoin threatened the economy of the fiat system, the Power Elite of the world would see to it that both the power grid and the Internet collapsed. Why? Because they are survivalists. And more than any guy with his family, and his bunkers, and his cached food supply, etc., the global Power Elite are prepared for a potential world economy flop in every way that they can think of. And that includes a whole bunch of ways that might never occur to little people, simply because little people are not of the mindset of controlling nations like the Power Elite are.

Not only are they prepared, but they are the ones who are stockpiling the militaries of the world with all the supplies that they need to survive and take control. Consider the United States. Consider all the armament that the Government has been giving away to law enforcement, and even to lowly coroners. The Power Elite are more prepared than anyone else, and if their fiats flopped, and Bitcoin takes over, they would crash the world, simply to remain in control.

Let Bitcoin grow. But don't let it become BIG... at least not in its current state. If Bitcoin could be held in hand, and could be traded among the people without electronics - computer and Internet - yet retained all the encryption that it currently has, along with the ability to easily be encrypted thousands of times stronger than it currently is, then and only then might it be a candidate for world currency.

In the event that technology crashed in a big way, we would be back to gold and silver, and copper. Bitcoin would be completely gone. Just because we are living in a technologically advancing time, don't think that a technology crash couldn't happen, and that we are safe as we are.

Smiley
39511  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: October 08, 2014, 04:25:44 PM

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In other words, attorney talk in a common law court does nothing.

This is a completely inaccurate summary of that quote.

Again, Bangladesh may be different, somewhat. Trinsey v. Pagliaro wouldn't apply, probably.

A common law court is based on what the claimants allow.

No it isn't. It is based on the rules of the court, as interpreted and enforced by the judge.

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An attorney CAN talk with effect in a common law court if the claimants allow him.

No, that is not true. The claimants cannot prevent the defendant's attorney speaking on his behalf. The defendant has a right to be represented.

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The point of talking about T v. P is the idea that the claimant bringing the case in common law has stated in one way or another that attorneys may NOT talk.

That isn't true. If you actually read the case, it says:
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The defendants' motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim unsupported by affidavits or depositions is incomplete because it requests this Court to consider facts outside the record which have not been presented in the form required by Rules 12(b) (6) and 56(c). Statements of counsel in their briefs or argument while enlightening to the Court are not sufficient for purposes of granting a motion to dismiss or summary judgment.
It has nothing to do with the claimants saying that attorneys can't talk. That is just crap made up by wacky websites, that you have accepted without checking.
What it says is that defendants have to actually submit evidence of what they claim, they can't just claim it. That would be exactly the same if the defendants had represented themselves, without counsel.

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If it is put in the form of an order by that claimant, then whatever an attorney says is not admitted into the record.

That isn't true.

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You do realize that common law courts are courts of record?

What do you think that means?

I'm not going to bother with the rest, as the above shows that you simply have no understand of how courts work.

Please provide some evidence to back up anything you have said above.

Okay. So, we don't agree.  Smiley
39512  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
If unintelligent processes, without purpose, evolved into intelligence, how can we then say that we trust our intelligence to tell us how un-intelligence and randomness brought us here?

When you do a study on randomness, you will find that not only is there NO random, but the concept of random is almost completely outside of anything we can comprehend. We might think we comprehend it, but the more a person is an examiner of science and reality, the more he naturally looks for the reason behind things. Random is a thing that offers no reason whatsoever. Random is non-existent, at least in the form of pure random, and to our minds and comprehension.

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39513  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
Wow, you guys are still talking about this. I think it's clear that if you build your world and philosophy around the idea of a god, you CAN'T accept science or anything else that would destroy your ego. Us non-believers need to understand that while it's easy to see that there is no god, it is asking a lot of believers to recognize the obvious. Its not just this one fact they have to accept. They must throw out all their notions about reality. Not everyone can do that.

Actually, the only thing that maintains the ability to believe that there is no God is the freedom that God allows.

Close to proof for God:
1. Machine quality of the Universe; need a Machine-Maker that is not evident from the universe;
2. There is no such thing as pure random; random as we know it is a crutch to help us because of our weakness; evolution does not exist without God in no pure random;
3. Consciousness and conscience both suggest strongly that there is a God.

These things are evident. They are even scientifically evident. The only time science nullifies them is when people pick and choose the science they are going to use, and then interpret their science in ways that they want, ignoring the other interpretations.

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1: No it doesn't, if the universe wasn't in a state to support life the way it happened then we wouldn't be here to comment on it.  Fine-tuned universe fallacy

2: Doesn't make any sense

3: No they don't, they suggest that we are conscience


As long as you keep a narrow mind, or limit yourself to simple thinking, you won't ever understand.

Since you obviously don't understand, who is the leader of your religion that has convinced you into believing the things that you DO believe? I mean, you obviously don't know it through understanding it. So you must have someone who has convinced you of it without understanding. Is he/she your high priest(ess) of your religion?

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Saying atheism is a religion is like saying nothing is a flavor of icecream.  Nobody convinced me of anything, I've read up on the science and drawn conclusions

Since atheism can't be proven to be correct, it is a religion in the way it is being handled. Once it is proven (if it is), then it will no longer be a religion.

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I would have to agree with BADecker here.

A truly logical and objective person can't draw any 100% conclusions from sensory input that is presented to their conscious mind.

For example we might be living in a simulation. Nobody can argue against the possibility of that. In fact most philosophical arguments would favor that we actually do.

The creator of said simulation would be for all intents and purposes godlike.

Any long drawn out purely logical debate will always lead to this conclusion.

If you want to say "I'm logical and objective" then you must say "I am agnostic"

I completely agree with emergent complexity through evolution, and it is awesome, but who is to say that's not just a program running in a simulation?

Actually, there is some indirect evidence for a simulation. It works something like this.

God created the universe.

Mankind sinned.

God can't stand sin at all... not even a hint of sin.

God immediately destroyed the universe because all of it is connected... to sin through mankind.

Jesus, Who is the Son of God, caught mankind.

He caught mankind within Himself through inter-dimensional time reaction, that based itself on His promise to suffer and die for mankind at some future time via inter-dimensional reaction.

Because He is the Son of God, all people have been living in a simulation of the original universe that God destroyed, a simulation that is in the God-mind of the God-man, Who is the Almighty Son of God Almighty.

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39514  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: October 08, 2014, 04:02:22 PM


Is that the Volga?  Smiley
39515  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 03:09:58 AM
Wow, you guys are still talking about this. I think it's clear that if you build your world and philosophy around the idea of a god, you CAN'T accept science or anything else that would destroy your ego. Us non-believers need to understand that while it's easy to see that there is no god, it is asking a lot of believers to recognize the obvious. Its not just this one fact they have to accept. They must throw out all their notions about reality. Not everyone can do that.

Actually, the only thing that maintains the ability to believe that there is no God is the freedom that God allows.

Close to proof for God:
1. Machine quality of the Universe; need a Machine-Maker that is not evident from the universe;
2. There is no such thing as pure random; random as we know it is a crutch to help us because of our weakness; evolution does not exist without God in no pure random;
3. Consciousness and conscience both suggest strongly that there is a God.

These things are evident. They are even scientifically evident. The only time science nullifies them is when people pick and choose the science they are going to use, and then interpret their science in ways that they want, ignoring the other interpretations.

Smiley
1: No it doesn't, if the universe wasn't in a state to support life the way it happened then we wouldn't be here to comment on it.  Fine-tuned universe fallacy

2: Doesn't make any sense

3: No they don't, they suggest that we are conscience


As long as you keep a narrow mind, or limit yourself to simple thinking, you won't ever understand.

Since you obviously don't understand, who is the leader of your religion that has convinced you into believing the things that you DO believe? I mean, you obviously don't know it through understanding it. So you must have someone who has convinced you of it without understanding. Is he/she your high priest(ess) of your religion?

Smiley
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying nothing is a flavor of icecream.  Nobody convinced me of anything, I've read up on the science and drawn conclusions

Since atheism can't be proven to be correct, it is a religion in the way it is being handled. Once it is proven (if it is), then it will no longer be a religion.

Smiley
39516  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: October 08, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Completely off topic, but I saw a quote today that should solve the question of evolution at least! 

"If evolution is true, how come mothers still have only two hands?"  Cheesy



Cute.   Cheesy
39517  Other / Off-topic / Re: Debt on: October 08, 2014, 03:06:11 AM
Anybody who has borrowed money from a legal lending institution (bank, savings and loan) is NOT in debt. THAT debt is a lie. It is a creation of new money. There is no borrowing done.

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"Creation of new money" or not, it is still a debt...if you're a moral and ethical person, you pay back what you borrow.

As a creation of new money, it is not a debt. Can't pay back something you haven't borrowed. Try paying it back all you want. It is impossible, since it was never borrowed.

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If you vouched (ie. signed a contract to pay back a certain amount of money at a given interest rate) to re-pay this "creation of new money", you have the ethical (and legal) obligation to honor your word.

The thing you signed is a contract. Standard contract law says that something you signed without realizing what the terms are - without a full meeting of the minds - is a null and void contract. In the case of the loan system, there is fraud involved, because they have intentionally changed the legal meanings of words so that you think that you really have a loan going. Fraud makes any contract null and void.


If you go into this loan planning on using this fraud to get out of paying your debt, you'd be correct- it is fraud, but not on their end, Mr. BADecker.

I was talking about people who go innocently into a loan, taking it at face value, then finding out later.

However, since the banks know it is fraudulent on their part (often only bank presidents and higher ups know this), and since you are simply using the process to create more money for yourself - a thing which would have happened in the loan anyway - there just might be no fraud involved. After all, the banking system is not harmed if you don't pay it back. They never loaned anything. They did not lose.

The loss comes to all the people who use the USD. It is in the form of diminished value of every last FERN. But the whole system is set up this way. So, if you "borrow" with the idea of not paying back, you just might be acting acceptably, even though you might have to press the issue in court.

Although I have written the above, I DO have questions about the morality of it.

Smiley
39518  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christian BS on: October 08, 2014, 02:56:00 AM
Look, one that beleves in Allah says that Katholics are bad, vica-versa.
Fact is that they all did bad  things, and that will remain forever, people form they'r religions in a shape or form that fits them best.

In the case of the religion of ancient Israel - the one that is the foundation for all Christianity - God formed the religion for the people. The Bible is record of both, the religion that God formed, and how the people reacted to it over the ages (about 1,500 years).

People are people. We see people from all over the world reacting to God's religion in all the same ways that the ancient Israel people did.

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39519  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: October 08, 2014, 02:52:41 AM
The "language of the book" is a void point, as it was later inserted into it. Makes no sense to point Arabic for Islam when it was originally written in Assyrian, as doesn't make sense for the Bible to be in Latin when it was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
So at some point these books needed to be and were translated from the original sources.

If they don't want to understand that...
Does not matter, because the Word of God is to be faithful, to do that one must not read the Book except in the Arabic, which one does cannot read, hence illiteracy rules.  Your words can't be trusted, since you are one who read it not in Arabic.

The belief system is internally self consistent.

Why can't translator's translate faithfully? They can. But a valid objection has to do with understanding Middle Eastern concepts.

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39520  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop discussing war and politics. You are feeding the fire. on: October 08, 2014, 02:49:18 AM

The entropy of the words in the frame does not match the entropy of the rest of the pic.  Smiley
In truth, you (id est, yourself) dwell within a place still calmed.

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The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever.
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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
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The fear of the LORD adds length to life, but the years of the wicked are cut short.
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The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.
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The fear of the LORD teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honor.
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The fear of the LORD leads to life: Then one rests content, untouched by trouble.
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Humility and the fear of the LORD bring wealth and honor and life.
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He (God) will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear of the LORD is the key to this treasure.

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This is satanic horse radish.

To fear the lord is to live in fear.  To fear the lord is to fear yourself.

The lord is light and love.  Fear is the negative energy of gravity and pain.  Fear is satan, and it's only an illusion.
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Perfect love drives out fear.

Too bad nobody has perfect love. This is why fear is wisdom.

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