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3961  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / MOVED: BitcoinDark just paid its second weekly dividend to stakers on: June 10, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
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3962  Other / Meta / Re: Anonymous Moderation is cowardly. on: June 09, 2015, 12:51:53 AM
very long post with some valid points...

Alright. I'm pretty much done. This is the fourth or fifth time I've addressed this issue, both with you and the other mods, and, indeed Theymos. I don't like you, I find you smug and insulting. That in itself doesn't make you a bad moderator. The "I'm just following orders" while indeed being QUITE selective about what you "moderate" (remember, nothing REALLY goes away on the web), however, does. It's not so much that you deleted an offhand comment. That, it iself is a minor annoyance. In truth, in my time here I've maybe had a dozen posts deleted, one of which I agreed with. If Gmaxwell hadn't deleted it, I would have. My problem remains with the entire system. Yes, I do have an issue with you. But it's minor by comaprison to the REAL issue, which is that there are NO hard and fast rules, so you never know if something is going to be deleted out of hand. Relevance to the topic is only occasionally a criterion.

Further, on a website who's MAJOR FOCUS is an emerging monetary system, legitimate discussions of business and economics as pertaining to a particular coin are frequently "moderated" (read deleted) for absolutely no defensible reason. I chose the example I did simply because it was the most recent.

Theymos, I know you have followed this thread. You have three choices.

One, you can let things continue as they are, with the concommitant damage to your reputation and website.
Two, you can drop moderation altogether and let the chips fall where they may. With the concommitant damage to your reputation and website.
Three. You can lay down real rules and get your moderators to follow them exactly and precisely, rather than abritrarily and capriciously. This is the optimal solution in my opinion.

This isn't some ultimatum, it's just the only courses of action that I can see as available to you.

Oh, and yes, mprep, I have run BBS's off and on since the late 1970's. I am hyperbolic, and the comparison to a war crime is deliberately over the top, but illustrative. When there ARE NO concrete rules, you most assuredly DO choose what to enforce and what not to.
Check the Meta stickies for the rules which are based either on stickies, admin threads, tips by admins in the staff board or suggestions and clarifications when asked in the staff board. Regarding smug and insulting, I guess I might look to some like that as I try to be no-bullshit upfront. Regarding selectivity, just like SaltySpitoon said, give me a specific case. In other words, put up or shut up. As I mentioned, I delete dozens of responses like yours daily so I can't really understand where you are seeing selectivity aside from the example I've already clarfied and suggested solution to. And regarding what I choose to enforce, there's a reason as to why there's a staff board - for moderators to ask questions on whether they shouod moderate something or not.

This thread is starting to feel like a broken record - same opinions getting repeated over and over. Unless something actually new gets brought up, I'll probably won't bother to respond.
3963  Other / Meta / Re: Anonymous Moderation is cowardly. on: June 08, 2015, 11:51:30 PM
Yup, I deleted as I was looking over the newest posts in the newest threads on Announcements (Altcoins). I deleted a post that you quoted as well as it broke rule 1:

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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

Your post was barely different aside from a bit of originality and swerving to the off-topic side. I deleted dozens of other posts quite similar to yours that day as well. I spend around 1-2 hour moderating and up to an hour or so just reading through as I have other things to do aside from dedicating my life to reading through every text wall since 2009. There's a reason why the "Report to moderator" link exists - to notify mods of the posts they missed while skimming through hundreds of them. So use it once in a while instead of fruitlessly complaining.

To finish off, this is the kind of crap that makes my blood boil. If not hypocrisy, then at least threading a thin line between it and just rude:
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They do things like this, and leave scams and libel so obvious that a dead man could see it to go on.
<...>
mprep in particular is a weasel. If you are not fully aware of that, just read any five of his posts. His "arguments" don't even make sense in his head, let alone in any sort of open forum.

lol, you and Biomech should kiss and makeup, the great mortal enemies of the forums.

I bet if you guys had a few beers together you would be best of friends.
I don't hate him, not at all (although he definitely thinks otherwise). It's just the way he assumes that I have complete freedom of how I can moderate and the insults he throws at me is what I dislike.

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To finish off, this is the kind of crap that makes my blood boil. If not hypocrisy, then at least threading a thin line between it and just rude:
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*treading. Treading a thin line. "Threading a thin line" is nonsense, making the writer look retarded.
In short, go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.

And drop the 'I'm too busy to read your shit' act. If you're too busy to mod, you're unfit for the job.
You're welcome.
[sarcasm] Thanks random Grammar Nazi alt with a first post here, in this specific thread. I fixed it as I understand how your obsession kicks in when seeing non-stellar grammar. You must feel amazing criticizing a guy to whom English isn't the first language. That definitely supports your argument by 140% and invalidates mine. And yeah, I totally said that I'm too busy to read a 6 word post and that I totally didn't mean to delete it. I definitely didn't try to address his comment about the quality of moderation and I sure as hell didn't suggest him to use the report function for the posts he thought were selectively left out. [/sarcasm]

Now take that fake mustache and coat off; nobody likes a coward hiding behind an alt.

I understand that English is not your first language -- unlikely that a native speaker would fuck it that badly.
Being a non-native speaker myself, I've offered you a friendly suggestion: Hold off on colloquialisms for now, you can always try again once you know what you're doing. Not now tho -- now is not the time.

To address potential cultural differences: In most English-speaking countries, it's customary to thank the person who helps you, as I have done. Too late now, but, nevertheless, you're welcome.

Regarding the essence of this thread? You haven't addressed it. You  offered a handful of excuses: you're busy, you delete a lot of shit (presumably without reading it), English is your second language, etc., etc.

You haven't addressed the fact that no clear rule set for this forum exists, making all moderation subjective, by definition.
You haven't addressed favoritism, nepotism and selective enforcement on this forum, another biggy.
And, of course, the "makes my blood boil" bit made me smile -- if that's how little it takes to enrage you, the job of moderating an internet forum is likely not for you.

Have I missed anything?
Thank you for a well reasoned response as your first one came off as quite rude and trollish (from my experience around the forums). Couple that with the unfortunate timing of posts as well as the time of day here and you have my response. Sorry, for that. Thanks for the tip regarding my post though.

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Regarding the essence of this thread? You haven't addressed it. You  offered a handful of excuses: you're busy, you delete a lot of shit (presumably without reading it), English is your second language, etc., etc.
OK, let's start from the top: I'm not busy, I just spend less time than a full time worker would and thus miss some posts that aren't reported and thus it gets attributed to favoritism. I do delete a lot of shit but I do read all of it; I just sometimes miss the more elaborate spam posts which is again regarding the selective enforcement argument. Yes, English is my second language, however I perfectly understand the discussion I moderate and such mistakes in writing usually occur when I write posts late at night (like now for no apparent reason).

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You haven't addressed the fact that no clear rule set for this forum exists, making all moderation subjective, by definition.
This is something I've brought up to the administrators and this is why I compiled an unofficial (as the admins feel that a written down official ruleset would be much more open to exploitation) list of rules, which only recently have been sticiked in Meta: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0.

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You haven't addressed favoritism, nepotism and selective enforcement on this forum, another biggy.
What about it? I became a moderator after reporting over 500 reports with a +90% or so accuracy. I leave any possible bias behind when I moderate and if I missed any post and you think that it was because I am friends with that person, don't just stare at the screen angrily - use the "Report to moderator" link.
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And, of course, the "makes my blood boil" bit made me smile -- if that's how little it takes to enrage you, the job of moderating an internet forum is likely not for you.
Well, it has been for the past few years. What actually makes my blood boil is when someone who seems intelligent and reasoned (and not your regular biased troll complaining usually about nothing) starts insulting me for things that are out of my control. Also, I've been busy with IRL things and only recently came back to moderating again so it takes time to acclimatize to the usual drama that goes around here.

Yup, I deleted as I was looking over the newest posts in the newest threads on Announcements (Altcoins). I deleted a post that you quoted as well as it broke rule 1:

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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

Your post was barely different aside from a bit of originality and swerving to the off-topic side. I deleted dozens of other posts quite similar to yours that day as well. I spend around 1-2 hour moderating and up to an hour or so just reading through as I have other things to do aside from dedicating my life to reading through every text wall since 2009. There's a reason why the "Report to moderator" link exists - to notify mods of the posts they missed while skimming through hundreds of them. So use it once in a while instead of fruitlessly complaining.

To finish off, this is the kind of crap that makes my blood boil. If not hypocrisy, then at least treading a thin line between it and just rude:
<...>
They do things like this, and leave scams and libel so obvious that a dead man could see it to go on.
<...>
mprep in particular is a weasel. If you are not fully aware of that, just read any five of his posts. His "arguments" don't even make sense in his head, let alone in any sort of open forum.

Take a REAL hard look in the mirror and ask why it makes your blood boil. You and I have gone rounds several times. I stopped bothering some time ago, because you will neither be persuaded nor bother with anything like logic, reason, or frankly, anything aside from snide remarks and the nuremburg defense. Never forget that the aforementioned "defense" mostly led to hangings. It's not considered valid. "Just following orders" never works as a long term defense.

You are a weasel. And the scams ARE REPORTED DAILY. I've done it, many, MANY others have done it. yet they stay. But a bit of humour in a thread that you have no interest in, well, now, that just has to go, doesn't it?

I'm assuming you're the author of the latest deletion. From here forward, I'm using the "just following orders" defense as well. I reported it. And I will continue to do so. I prefer discourse and debate, but what the hell. I can fight dirty.

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Take a REAL hard look in the mirror and ask why it makes your blood boil. You and I have gone rounds several times. I stopped bothering some time ago, because you will neither be persuaded nor bother with anything like logic, reason, or frankly, anything aside from snide remarks and the nuremburg defense. Never forget that the aforementioned "defense" mostly led to hangings. It's not considered valid. "Just following orders" never works as a long term defense.
If you think I can just not follow the rules, you don't exactly grasp how forum moderation works. Also, don't over dramatize and compare this to a war crime - it isn't. I don't impede on your freedom of speech - you can always find another forum who will host posts that we don't allow.

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You are a weasel. And the scams ARE REPORTED DAILY. I've done it, many, MANY others have done it. yet they stay. But a bit of humour in a thread that you have no interest in, well, now, that just has to go, doesn't it?
That's something you should direct at theymos as he makes the rules. Also, there's way to many cases to examine and with usually shaky evidence and shady witnesses. Thus if you actually want to prove that some thing is a scam, seek it through legal means, tell the victims to sue them and acquire a court order for the thread to be removed as well.

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I'm assuming you're the author of the latest deletion. From here forward, I'm using the "just following orders" defense as well. I reported it. And I will continue to do so. I prefer discourse and debate, but what the hell. I can fight dirty.
You are barking up the wrong tree. You want change, talk with theymos as he decides forum policy. I'm but the janitor that was shown what to clean. And in all honesty, the post itself didn't add anything to the discussion especially considering the quality of the quoted post.
3964  Other / Meta / Re: Anonymous Moderation is cowardly. on: June 08, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
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To finish off, this is the kind of crap that makes my blood boil. If not hypocrisy, then at least threading a thin line between it and just rude:
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*treading. Treading a thin line. "Threading a thin line" is nonsense, making the writer look retarded.
In short, go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.

And drop the 'I'm too busy to read your shit' act. If you're too busy to mod, you're unfit for the job.
You're welcome.
[sarcasm] Thanks random Grammar Nazi alt with a first post here, in this specific thread. I fixed it as I understand how your obsession kicks in when seeing non-stellar grammar. You must feel amazing criticizing a guy to whom English isn't the first language. That definitely supports your argument by 140% and invalidates mine. And yeah, I totally said that I'm too busy to read a 6 word post and that I totally didn't mean to delete it. I definitely didn't try to address his comment about the quality of moderation and I sure as hell didn't suggest him to use the report function for the posts he thought were selectively left out. [/sarcasm]

Now take that fake mustache and coat off; nobody likes a coward hiding behind an alt.
3965  Other / Meta / Re: Anonymous Moderation is cowardly. on: June 08, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
Yup, I deleted as I was looking over the newest posts in the newest threads on Announcements (Altcoins). I deleted a post that you quoted as well as it broke rule 1:

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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

Your post was barely different aside from a bit of originality and swerving to the off-topic side. I deleted dozens of other posts quite similar to yours that day as well. I spend around 1-2 hour moderating and up to an hour or so just reading through as I have other things to do aside from dedicating my life to reading through every text wall since 2009. There's a reason why the "Report to moderator" link exists - to notify mods of the posts they missed while skimming through hundreds of them. So use it once in a while instead of fruitlessly complaining.

To finish off, this is the kind of crap that makes my blood boil. If not hypocrisy, then at least treading a thin line between it and just rude:
<...>
They do things like this, and leave scams and libel so obvious that a dead man could see it to go on.
<...>
mprep in particular is a weasel. If you are not fully aware of that, just read any five of his posts. His "arguments" don't even make sense in his head, let alone in any sort of open forum.
3966  Economy / Marketplace / MOVED: Buying a pizza for gta v on: June 06, 2015, 10:34:54 PM
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3967  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / MOVED: [Comic project] This is Sato - 1 on: June 06, 2015, 09:33:42 PM
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3968  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / MOVED: 5.5 LTC Finder Bonus 102% PPS acvtiv on: June 05, 2015, 09:07:59 PM
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3969  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / MOVED: earn with PAY TO CLICK on: May 30, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
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3970  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / MOVED: Ethereum far better than bitcoin, bitcoin is crashing! on: May 30, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
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3973  Economy / Lending / MOVED: 8.5 BTC LOAN (41% FUNDED) - NEED URGENT ASSISTANCE! on: May 28, 2015, 07:19:41 PM
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3974  Other / Off-topic / MOVED: Hello world! on: May 28, 2015, 06:23:48 PM
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3975  Other / Beginners & Help / MOVED: i am happy the forum is back... on: May 25, 2015, 07:31:02 PM
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3977  Economy / Digital goods / MOVED: [WTS] All Microsoft Key $5 -> $10 [Vouch Win 8.1 pro KEY 1st bump] on: May 21, 2015, 10:35:54 PM
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3978  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / MOVED: [PRE ANN ] Transit Coin on: May 20, 2015, 02:03:31 PM
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3979  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / MOVED: Get Free TransitCoin [ TNT ] on: May 20, 2015, 02:02:48 PM
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3980  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / MOVED: chinese new altcoin exchange --JUBI. on: May 20, 2015, 01:58:45 PM
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