anonymity is the golden grail for me--so the most anonymous wins if two or more coins aren't equally anonymous.
Let's say the ultimate anonymity was found and it had proofs that were 10 MB each and the network could handle one transaction per minute, that would be the winner for you? Or someone forked Monero and the only change they made was increase some encryption parameter or mixing depth so it would be slightly "more anonymous" you'd favor that over Monero?  To quote Mary Queen of Scots, "Yes--CLLUGHGH" Wish there was an emoticon that rolled along the screen and smiled .................  This is getting away from being a talk about Monero and becoming a talk about how the various coins stack-up, but it would be nice to see a forum dedicated to fleshing out the advantages and disadvantages to each coin without it turning into an investor he-said/she-said. And before anyone says, "Why don't you create it?" I don't have the credentials to make it work. You'd have to be very high on the bitcointalk totem pole to make it work and not have it burst into a shouting match between investors. And yes, anonymity, I see your point on that different coins for different goals. |
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If you're a darknet operator, this isn't a dick measuring contest, it's the difference between jail time and freedom. It'd be nice to hear from non-investors on the matter and have a legitimate discussion on which coin(s) is anonymous and which one(s) is just claiming to be anonymous--neutral territory, of course.
That assumes (based on nothing as far as I can tell) an either-or structure to the question where one coin must "real anonymous" and one must be "fake anonymus". Monero uses on-chain mixing and with stealth addresses and relies on cryptography. Darkcoin is off-chain mixing and relies on semi-trusted nodes to coordinate the mixing process (and soon for other features such as instant transactions). As such they each have a different set of different potential vulnerabilities. Against some hypothesized types of attacks one or the other or both or neither may be susceptible. They both seem to be sincere efforts in terms of technology. That doesn't necessarily make them equal in terms of competence or quality or security or prospects for success but I don't see the need to use loaded words like "just claiming" in the discussion. I was hoping using "coin(s)" hedged me from any naming of coins and being accused of attacking another project. My argument doesn't dismiss that two or more coins could be anonymous, nor that a coin can be more anonymous, but that there should be a public outing of coins that are not anonymous, and if one or more coins have superior anonymity features, that knowledge should be public. My guess is that anyone who wants to use a privacy coin doesn't want to have to test the coins themselves, but have this publicly tested the same way car manufacturers test sports cars: on a race track in front of a crowd with the best performing team winning. Now the last statement is a desire statement from a hypothetical dark operator who doesn't want to go to jail and should not be read as a proposal--I'm just trying to point out that the people who want anonymity have more riding on this than an investment. I tend not to beat around the bush, so sorry if my original statement came across as confrontational and not inline with the spirit of forum. |
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It'd be nice to hear from non-investors on the matter...
Several reasonable and competent cryptographic professionals have done so. If you are unfamiliar with their opinions, and the merits thereof, you probably should not be an investor. This is an ongoing process. Can you point me to a current discussion that takes into all the coins and their varying approaches on a day or week-to-week basis? I know where Monero stands, but other coins have changed their approaches, and like some other people, anonymity is the golden grail for me--so the most anonymous wins if two or more coins aren't equally anonymous. |
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that what if the cryptonote stuff was designed by a three letter agency and they happen to have the key to unmasking each and every transaction on chain. Oh lordy. Seeing as it's open source and uses a standard elliptic curve, no. It was as stupid of an argument as the arguments brought up against the masternode network. I guess I probably should have framed it in sarcasm tags. This isn't a dick measuring contest. Each coin does their own job at anonymity. Whether you want offchain or onchain, take your pick. If you're a darknet operator, this isn't a dick measuring contest, it's the difference between jail time and freedom. It'd be nice to hear from non-investors on the matter and have a legitimate discussion on which coin(s) is anonymous and which one(s) is just claiming to be anonymous--neutral territory, of course. |
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WOW!  great work fluffypony and all the devs! thank you risto! .... +1000 I'll match your and raise you a . Great idea, well implemented. |
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Dev not online for long time.?where xmr will go?
Sadly to abyss I guess, as annon hype is over, all coins including DRK and XMR will die, but they will die slow. I'm hoping that's the dumbest thing I read today, but I doubt it. |
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I've noticed a dozen times ... wondering why?! When this:  then this:  Why?Me guess! Me think r/monero like gauge of new user and it no go up very fast and already user stuffed full on Monero so buffet trays keep filling, but many empty chairs, so doorman keep lowering price. Me get right? |
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Use either as long as it is well written. This is a very international project. The core team itself is from several different countries, not to mention the independent contributors and users.
I don't like this answer. I would strongly prefer an official suggestion. Maybe it's just my character and feelings, but I don't like this. I am a perfectionist. I really prefer an official recommendation. Thinking about mixed AE and BE spellings in official and non-official Monero docs make me very sad and feel bad. Please consider an recommendation. It's a recommendation-- an before vowel sounds, a before consonant sounds. Language is constantly in flux and the rules are constantly in disagreement no matter what language you use, so just chose whatever and stick to it. Using one standard may bar you from using terms that are more useful or that will make communication more efficient. Or even leave one programmer more worried about word choice than the code they're writing. Perfectionism is your affliction, no reason to make the whole group suffer too.  |
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Question to core team members:
When writing text for Monero project, do I use American English or British English?
Opinions from non core members also appreciated.
British be playin' PoPo wit language Five O'clock shadowin' syntax Straight up now lovin' pronunciation But G's be makin' words chillax Laid back, With my mind on Monero, And Monero on my mind. |
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Would you rather have a tested coin with solid code and fair release, or an instamined coin that will most likely be a victim of its own marketing when its first real test is the FBI breaking its code and sending some darkweb operators (very publicly) to clink?
I view the other coin as a ticking time bomb, it has no solid privacy at all, for any 3 letter agency it will be cake walk to extract vital identifying info. Its a matter of time, and shows that they are on the game only for a quick buck. Haha, you are funny! It isn't that you have to keep your address a mystery. It is that the algorithm is cryptographically secure, when using a mixin >= 3. This makes it impossible to ascertain what address sent the amounts in question (which ARE public, via the blockchain) to what address. But, I guess you assume that they already have quantum computers. Why's everyone bashing nemesis? When he writes "other," I'm pretty sure he ain't talking about Monero. |
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Would you rather have a tested coin with solid code and fair release, or an instamined coin that will most likely be a victim of its own marketing when its first real test is the FBI breaking its code and sending some darkweb operators (very publicly) to clink?
I prefer a tested coin with solid code base. I dont understand why you ask me. I didnt pushed for marketing. I think you confuse me with another/other poster(s) pushing for marketing. Sorry, wasn't aimed at you. Just commenting on the ongoing conversation. Will edit above. |
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Would you rather have a tested coin with solid code and fair release, or an instamined coin that will most likely be a victim of its own marketing when its first real test is the FBI breaking its code and sending some darkweb operators (very publicly) to clink?
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Any winners announced yet?
DB is deciding. Isn't it cute how they pretend that 400 people voted on this. They don't have 400 players. If they had 10,000 players 400 wouldn't vote in a week for alts. DB has been working hard signing up new names at BCT to vote. They don't have any advantage to do so, Just few tons of XMR/DRK coin owners hoping a big site accepts their currency to spread some FUD and raise the price a little before selling (and there alts). as a real player here I voted for PeerCoin because it's one that I actually use, Possibility of PeerCoin winning with things going like this are "nonexistent" though. Just a few comments: 1. Yes, there is an active community behind these coins and a good percentage of the votes is originally from people looking to support their coins rather than the site, but they learned about the site through this exercise and that is good exposure, I would love it if I was operating Direct Bet. The question is where are the supporters of the other coins? Are they not interested or they just don't have that kind of community support? 2. Will everybody voting eventually become a client not really, but a larger community gives them a larger sample to work with and they will definitely win some new customers. I would love to bet on spanish football if they make Darkcoin available as an example. 3. They need to think about how the new coin addition can benefit current customers. In the case of Darkcoin instant confirmations and anonymity might just be a good fit for the betting site regardless of the community behind it. 4. Maybe you need to learn more about these projects and why are so many people excited about them. I dont see Monero happening just yet because they dont have a GUI Wallet that people can use and is an untested codebase. But yeah I woud add Darkcoin now and maybe Monero later when they are ready. At least these coins have a use case that is different from BTC and they add value. Looking at your post history I see why you want to put off using Monero. Monero has survived two attacks in recent months and has wallets available. People just want anonymous options, and I personally want an anonymous option that isn't based on Bitcoin's code. |
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I want to use anonymous and fast coin which leaves only one choice and that's Darkcoin!
I want to use an anonymous coin. Not sure why you're in a hurry to get a visit from the IRS/FBI. |
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"Give me anonymity or give me dark!" --Patrick Henry  |
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And we're neck and neck again.... |
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To bad we can't bet on this race--it's neck and neck. |
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Mega DUMP Why does this make you happy? because again I bought a cheap coins I think someone has transferred the coins from the left pocket to the right pocket someone wants to cause panic .... it is clear that nobody will sell at that price "What do I do! What do I do! The sky is fallin' straight through, the floor, now I'm movin" got my hands in air wavin', I just don't care!" The price is droppin' like the rhymes I'm poppin' but I won't dare sell, why I'm buyin? Cuz here where I got a clue, buy on rumor sell news. |
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