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3981  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Looking to buy bitcoins on: January 14, 2015, 08:23:29 AM
... just means that you are lucky Smiley....

Or maybe I know what I am doing.
3982  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Looking to buy bitcoins on: January 14, 2015, 08:21:45 AM

Sending you a PM.

Havent received any PM from you, but before you do send any PM please clear the outstanding complaints against you.
3983  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [H] Skrill - [W] Neteller on: January 14, 2015, 06:43:42 AM
up


Huh? Not interested in dealing with me ?? or what ?
3984  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying $130 Paypal for my bitcoin on: January 14, 2015, 06:43:03 AM
I have question, where to sell bitcoin for paypal?
I have balance paypal and I want to buy btc. thanks.

You can PM me your requirements.
3985  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Looking to buy bitcoins on: January 14, 2015, 06:42:22 AM
I got robbed today, but bump Sad


EDIT: It was irl, not on here. I kinda wish it was on here because then I wouldnt know where the person lived.

Wait who robbed who ?
3986  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [WTB] .5 BTC on: January 13, 2015, 11:21:18 PM
Hi,

I want to buy .5 BTC , online bank transfer for BTC-e price.
You go first or we can use escrow.

Regards

Just curious, why don't people use local bitcoins for these buying and selling ? Is it because of the price difference?

Yes, and because not many are trust worthy.
The listings are just empty shill listings with the real rates being completely different and sometime much higher.
3987  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk server down ? on: January 13, 2015, 10:07:21 PM

Makes sense. It's not a DDoS since a site that's being attacked by a DDoS attack would either not display at all (and you might see a browser-generated error message instead of the site) or load very, very slowly.

As an aside, this is why HashProfit's claim of being forced to shut down temporarily because of a DDoS attack was very suspicious. The site itself was working perfectly fine even while the supposed DDoS was happening. Only the message displayed was changed.

For me I tried to refresh and it was just loading in the first without actually ever progressing. Hence I though it was DDOS, but when I re entered the site address I was taken to 502 bad gateway.

Anyways I understood the problem and already said it was my mistake that I thought of it as an attack.
3988  Other / Off-topic / Re: Don't you wish you never had any alcohol? on: January 13, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
Lucky for me, I've never drank alcohol. I'm in my mid-twenties.
3989  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How new bitcoins are created? |BTC| on: January 13, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
3990  Other / Meta / Re: My old Account is now the MOST UNTRUSTED account on the forums! on: January 13, 2015, 08:32:15 PM
Subject is wrong. It has only 1 negative feedback from gmaxwell for me.
Trust: -4: -1 / +0(0)


I'm assuming you don't trust DefaultTrust?

Shows as -5024: -10 / +1(1) for me (though my trust list is modified)

Here  (with a only a defaultTrust list) :





What does my default trust show up as ?
3991  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying $150 worth of your BTC on: January 13, 2015, 08:29:55 PM


Your profile status: "Legenster is a scammer. He claimed that the vehicles he was posting pictures of were for sale through his friend, a "broker in Beverly Hills". I found the same pictures he posted as his own on "Diablto Motors'" website, a super car dealership in Dubai (where Legenster is from). He promised to leave the forum if anyone found the pictures he posted himself listed anywhere elsewhere on the internet. I did so and he still posts, unphased. Do not give this guy a cent. He is a scammer in every definition of the term."

lol try harder.
3992  Local / India / Bitcoin economy : Indian bhai log kindly scrutinize my opinion on: January 13, 2015, 08:24:34 PM
So I responded to a thread in the economy section, I know of some of us Indians who never leave the India child board so here is my reply from this thread.



I am no expert, but I can see that you got a few things right there and a few things wrong.

So the coin which should be used as a currency is unable to preserve value which makes it basically useless as currency because the main purpose of a currency is to hold some value relatively constant so it can be used in daily exchange of goods and services.
Correct no argument.


Please explain again why decay is an advantage for a currency and why anyone would accept a decaying currency in exchange for goods and services when presented with a choice between a more and a less decaying (and therefore volatile) currency.

Why would anyone choose the more decaying currency in an exchange of goods/services over a less decaying one - let alone invest in it?

See inflation and decay are two different things.
In economics decay could be comparable to the Great depression of 1930's or the Financial Crisis of 2008.
In both these cases the decay was not only of the store of value but also the purchasing power of that stored value. If you wanted something that would normally cost $10, suddenly having $10 for you wasnt enough to buy that thing, not only because the price of the dollar fell but the cost for producing that thing significantly rose and that too globally.

Traditionally, inflation on the other hand is a necessary evil, without it there would be almost no value to your currency, just imagine, if you had 1 snickers bar, and provided you have grown up as a man that likes to share stuff with his family, you would naturally share, pieces of that Snicker bar with your family. Now provided everything in this equation remains the same but instead of 1 snicker bar you are given 10 snicker bar then you would have more bars to share with your family.

This situation ended up good for your family in the short run, every one got at least one or more bars but that bar's value was reduced. (even though neither of you are paying for it) So the next time you get 1 snicker bar it wont be enough because now your family expects at least 1 bar per member.

Same is the case with currency, if everyone had more money in their hands, the value for their money would be reduced.
If I remember correctly they even made an episode of Simpsons or Family guy on this topic.

Inflation by definition is the sustained and slight increase of surplus of money which directly results into the sustained increase of prices of goods and commodities.

Why is it necessary ? well that is a debated topic, say you wanted to buy a Horse, the price is $100

But by the time you collected $100 the price has inflated by 20% and the price is $120.

So now you would rather wait for the price to come down to $100 instead of working more harder to get that extra $20 fast enough so you can buy the Horse. So when you choose to rather wait for the price to come down, it has a deterrent effect on the whole economy, because you as a labor are choosing not to work in hopes of the price falling down again, hence, a steady inflation rate discourages this 'waiting around' and encourages people to work harder in order to afford what they want to buy, in this case the 'Horse'.

Offcourse the rate of work vs the rate of inflation would have a parabolic graph and you would be eventually be able to buy your horse.

JUST for reference this is a parabolic curve :



So according to the 'experts' inflation is necessary to keep business in profit and to keep the ratio of Potential Labor Force vs Actual Labor Force lower.

Basically Inflation = Profits in Business = More employment opportunities.

So inflation's relation with Bitcoin is also very similar but not the same, in bitcoin the amount of coins generated is limited so theoretically there is an inflation of bitcoin value overtime, as in the purchasing power of BTC is steadily increasing with the amount of bitcoins being minted (mined) is gradually decreasing.

Take Dogecoin for example, initially the price of the coin went 'TO THE MOON' but now the prices are steadily falling. Why ? because they decided to make unlimited amount of Dogecoins.

Its kinda like a pawn business. The rarer it is, the more valuable it gets.


Now if you ask WHY the price is falling ? well it has to do a lot with the frugal nature of economics, as many say economics is a part psychology.

I discussed this in another thread :



Good to hear that, people must buy at this low price, and then we can count some profits.
I'm sure that btc price will rise again sometime.

Oh you silly people, STOP THIS SILLINESS OF YOURS.

Bitcoin is not gold that you buy it and wait for it to rise in price because when it does rise all you silly guys would do is dump all the coins and create a bigger crash.

Just do day trade, Bitcoin is a currency so trade it like it is one and not some rare commodity.

^ No. One of the few reasons I hold is because I'm afraid I would screw up at day trading. :-)

That has always been the issue with Bitcoin traders, we are not trained to trade in FOREX. We are computer nerds trained in writing lines of codes. Cryptos need to be passed as currencies and more mainstream trading platforms need to recognize them.


What do you mean trade? in the markets or buy stuff with it?

And why it has to be what you say it has to be? It is what people make out of it. If people want to hold it they can do it freely. If you believe it will go up why would you buy some lame shit with it when you can use dollars.

LOL get your facts straight bro. I am not Hitler or Kim Jong-un I am not TELLING people to do anything.
I am just TELLING people the difference between the right and the wrong use of a currency.

By Trade I meant currency trading as in FOREX = Foreign exchange.

You can for sure tame a wild tiger cub and keep it as a pet, but you cant call it a true wild cat. I hope you get my point.

Bitcoin was meant to be a currency NOT a commodity, treat it like a commodity and it will burn you.


This is my reasoning of why the price of BTC is so volatile. Now dont interpret my post as a commandment. You are free to eat bitcoins or wipe your gf's ass with it or even wear it as a piece of clothing lol (by printing it) Smiley


A few days later at current prices ...


Bitcoin price now drop we can't see any increases . When will we see the big pump ?


Are increasing numbers of HYIP sites an indication of anything?  Do they drag the price down because people get ripped off?

I would think the opposite could be true.  It could be investment groups hedging a bet that btc will go up soon and the are trying to accumulate before the surge.




Bitcoin price now drop we can't see any increases . When will we see the big pump ?

who knows, might be nxt yr or maybe after 3yrs or more. Nobody really knows...


...

Mmm!!

And I thought that maybe I had timed my last purchase of gold for BTC badly when BTC was in the $300s.

Of course, I should have considered buying gold when BTC was in the $600 and $700s...

*  *  *

Looks like the Big Wave that hit was for sub-$250.  We will see in the coming weeks and months.  

I agree with some above comments that essentially NO ONE can predict BTC price well.  With charts or without.  Your guess is as good as mine.  Or the other way around maybe...
Well ,I anticipated the things a bit .
And yes no one can predict the precise price  up to decimals... Traders can say you the general trend ,the approximative lows and highs.




Then my final reply :


Remember when I pointed out that holding BTC for as a commodity is risky ?

This is exactly why I said it.

As soon as people are seeing that the price of their 'commodity' is falling, they are dumping the commodity in the market creating a huge back log of sell orders which creates a downward pressure on the graph essentially pulling down the market.

If everyone used btc as a currency to buy stuff and do margin trading like any other forex these crashes would have been much less significant. Keep in mind the price of BTC will rise with the increase in it's usage, holding btc for price rise is opposite of that.


So should you invest in a decaying currency ? NO, You should not be investing in ANY CURRENCY with intentions of holding it and selling it for a high value. A Currency is not a commodity and remember, with inflation the value of a commodity rises with the decrease in the purchasing power of your currency (virtual or real).

I hope this answers SOME of your questions and once again, I am not an expert so dont use my opinion as a yard stick.
3993  Economy / Economics / Re: Experts, please explain why decay is a good thing for a currency on: January 13, 2015, 08:17:11 PM
I am no expert, but I can see that you got a few things right there and a few things wrong.

So the coin which should be used as a currency is unable to preserve value which makes it basically useless as currency because the main purpose of a currency is to hold some value relatively constant so it can be used in daily exchange of goods and services.
Correct no argument.


Please explain again why decay is an advantage for a currency and why anyone would accept a decaying currency in exchange for goods and services when presented with a choice between a more and a less decaying (and therefore volatile) currency.

Why would anyone choose the more decaying currency in an exchange of goods/services over a less decaying one - let alone invest in it?

See inflation and decay are two different things.
In economics decay could be comparable to the Great depression of 1930's or the Financial Crisis of 2008.
In both these cases the decay was not only of the store of value but also the purchasing power of that stored value. If you wanted something that would normally cost $10, suddenly having $10 for you wasnt enough to buy that thing, not only because the price of the dollar fell but the cost for producing that thing significantly rose and that too globally.

Traditionally, inflation on the other hand is a necessary evil, without it there would be almost no value to your currency, just imagine, if you had 1 snickers bar, and provided you have grown up as a man that likes to share stuff with his family, you would naturally share, pieces of that Snicker bar with your family. Now provided everything in this equation remains the same but instead of 1 snicker bar you are given 10 snicker bar then you would have more bars to share with your family.

This situation ended up good for your family in the short run, every one got at least one or more bars but that bar's value was reduced. (even though neither of you are paying for it) So the next time you get 1 snicker bar it wont be enough because now your family expects at least 1 bar per member.

Same is the case with currency, if everyone had more money in their hands, the value for their money would be reduced.
If I remember correctly they even made an episode of Simpsons or Family guy on this topic.

Inflation by definition is the sustained and slight increase of surplus of money which directly results into the sustained increase of prices of goods and commodities.

Why is it necessary ? well that is a debated topic, say you wanted to buy a Horse, the price is $100

But by the time you collected $100 the price has inflated by 20% and the price is $120.

So now you would rather wait for the price to come down to $100 instead of working more harder to get that extra $20 fast enough so you can buy the Horse. So when you choose to rather wait for the price to come down, it has a deterrent effect on the whole economy, because you as a labor are choosing not to work in hopes of the price falling down again, hence, a steady inflation rate discourages this 'waiting around' and encourages people to work harder in order to afford what they want to buy, in this case the 'Horse'.

Offcourse the rate of work vs the rate of inflation would have a parabolic graph and you would be eventually be able to buy your horse.

JUST for reference this is a parabolic curve :



So according to the 'experts' inflation is necessary to keep business in profit and to keep the ratio of Potential Labor Force vs Actual Labor Force lower.

Basically Inflation = Profits in Business = More employment opportunities.

So inflation's relation with Bitcoin is also very similar but not the same, in bitcoin the amount of coins generated is limited so theoretically there is an inflation of bitcoin value overtime, as in the purchasing power of BTC is steadily increasing with the amount of bitcoins being minted (mined) is gradually decreasing.

Take Dogecoin for example, initially the price of the coin went 'TO THE MOON' but now the prices are steadily falling. Why ? because they decided to make unlimited amount of Dogecoins.

Its kinda like a pawn business. The rarer it is, the more valuable it gets.


Now if you ask WHY the price is falling ? well it has to do a lot with the frugal nature of economics, as many say economics is a part psychology.

I discussed this in another thread :



Good to hear that, people must buy at this low price, and then we can count some profits.
I'm sure that btc price will rise again sometime.

Oh you silly people, STOP THIS SILLINESS OF YOURS.

Bitcoin is not gold that you buy it and wait for it to rise in price because when it does rise all you silly guys would do is dump all the coins and create a bigger crash.

Just do day trade, Bitcoin is a currency so trade it like it is one and not some rare commodity.

^ No. One of the few reasons I hold is because I'm afraid I would screw up at day trading. :-)

That has always been the issue with Bitcoin traders, we are not trained to trade in FOREX. We are computer nerds trained in writing lines of codes. Cryptos need to be passed as currencies and more mainstream trading platforms need to recognize them.


What do you mean trade? in the markets or buy stuff with it?

And why it has to be what you say it has to be? It is what people make out of it. If people want to hold it they can do it freely. If you believe it will go up why would you buy some lame shit with it when you can use dollars.

LOL get your facts straight bro. I am not Hitler or Kim Jong-un I am not TELLING people to do anything.
I am just TELLING people the difference between the right and the wrong use of a currency.

By Trade I meant currency trading as in FOREX = Foreign exchange.

You can for sure tame a wild tiger cub and keep it as a pet, but you cant call it a true wild cat. I hope you get my point.

Bitcoin was meant to be a currency NOT a commodity, treat it like a commodity and it will burn you.


This is my reasoning of why the price of BTC is so volatile. Now dont interpret my post as a commandment. You are free to eat bitcoins or wipe your gf's ass with it or even wear it as a piece of clothing lol (by printing it) Smiley


A few days later at current prices ...


Bitcoin price now drop we can't see any increases . When will we see the big pump ?


Are increasing numbers of HYIP sites an indication of anything?  Do they drag the price down because people get ripped off?

I would think the opposite could be true.  It could be investment groups hedging a bet that btc will go up soon and the are trying to accumulate before the surge.




Bitcoin price now drop we can't see any increases . When will we see the big pump ?

who knows, might be nxt yr or maybe after 3yrs or more. Nobody really knows...


...

Mmm!!

And I thought that maybe I had timed my last purchase of gold for BTC badly when BTC was in the $300s.

Of course, I should have considered buying gold when BTC was in the $600 and $700s...

*  *  *

Looks like the Big Wave that hit was for sub-$250.  We will see in the coming weeks and months.  

I agree with some above comments that essentially NO ONE can predict BTC price well.  With charts or without.  Your guess is as good as mine.  Or the other way around maybe...
Well ,I anticipated the things a bit .
And yes no one can predict the precise price  up to decimals... Traders can say you the general trend ,the approximative lows and highs.




Then my final reply :


Remember when I pointed out that holding BTC for as a commodity is risky ?

This is exactly why I said it.

As soon as people are seeing that the price of their 'commodity' is falling, they are dumping the commodity in the market creating a huge back log of sell orders which creates a downward pressure on the graph essentially pulling down the market.

If everyone used btc as a currency to buy stuff and do margin trading like any other forex these crashes would have been much less significant. Keep in mind the price of BTC will rise with the increase in it's usage, holding btc for price rise is opposite of that.


So should you invest in a decaying currency ? NO, You should not be investing in ANY CURRENCY with intentions of holding it and selling it for a high value. A Currency is not a commodity and remember, with inflation the value of a commodity rises with the decrease in the purchasing power of your currency (virtual or real).

I hope this answers SOME of your questions and once again, I am not an expert so dont use my opinion as a yard stick.
3994  Economy / Economics / Re: The big wave is coming on: January 13, 2015, 07:31:10 PM
just curios what the really price of thats coin

BITCOIN is nothing but a few bits of data, it is something virtual and how much you are willing to spend on your virtual currency is completely upto you.

The bitcoin rise from 09 - 14 was comparable to the Dot Com boom in the 90's, would the future of Bitcoin be as bleak as the DotCom era ? Probably not but you will have to wait a long time for that future to come.
3995  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying $150 worth of your BTC on: January 13, 2015, 07:24:23 PM
I would like to purchase $150 of BTC, I can pay with Paypal (business verified account), Skrill(ex MoneyBookers), Paysafecards, Bank Transfer. You choose.

Hit me up on skype if interested : x54444e


Paypal/Skrill are always risky to deal with but I do accept them as a seller and here is the process :

  • You send paypal payment first OR we use a trusted escrow where I send the BTC first to the escrow holder
  • I withdraw the funds to my bank which would take 3 - 6 working days
  • AFTER the money is in my and if we are using an escrow, I will send the release confirmation to escrow holder and he will release the BTC to you.
  • If we have not used escrow, you will have to wait till the money is in my bank after which I will send your BTC

If you send $150, paypal would credit me $143.85 after service fee deduction.



As for rate, it would be higher than preev and we'll decide that if you agree to deal with me in the first place.

Good luck.
3996  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk server down ? on: January 13, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
Migration testing ended up running an import script on the server ended up taking up way too much resources on the server. We are figuring out a better way to not starve the production box. This wasn't because of a DDOS.

My bad.
3997  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: $130 Paypal for my bitcoin on: January 13, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
If you read my thread carefully I'm buying Paypal here; not bitcoin.

Ah didnt notice, my bad.
3998  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: WTS 50 BTC @preev.com/btc/cad prices + 5% on: January 13, 2015, 07:12:39 PM
Skrill is reversible...

I was scammed on skrill through a freelancer chargeback scam (yes I was new to freelancer back then) and no they (skrill) didnt chargeback despite me proving it was a scam.
If you use the yellow send now button on the main dashboard its considered sending the money to your friends and family and I quote "its like a gift you cant chargeback gifts" it pissed me off real bad and I tried to get my money back but it didnt work.

The only exception to this is if the account gets hacked.

Staying relevant to the post in this case I will be using the same IP and ISP which I use to access BCT.
3999  Other / Meta / Bitcointalk server down ? on: January 13, 2015, 06:58:04 PM
So I just got this report from 2 other users (on facebook) who I dont even know and then confirmed it myself, seems like someone ddos'd the server database ?

I was getting the 502 bad gateway error and the other guys were getting something like this :
4000  Economy / Collectibles / Re: "Culture Cultivation" Bitcoin Art Piece on: January 13, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
Out of everything that you have created, this is my favorite.
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