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41  Other / Off-topic / Re: Refusing to pay cash!! Is it possible? on: September 18, 2018, 11:48:31 AM
The Nordic countries are going to be cash-less in less than 10 years. Not that physical fiat is going to be abandoned, - another 10-15 years for that I think, but in the sense that no one uses them anymore. All is going to be in the digital fiat, namely credit card, Mobil pay and online banktransfeer / shopping. Already 70-80% of all transactions going on in this form.
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Airdrop] DSTRA - From Community Comes Unity | V2 Released | Airdrop #10 | on: September 14, 2018, 09:17:18 AM

Join the Team Dstra first Treasure Hunt game.

Treasure Hunt for 500 dstra coins, free for whomever want to claim them! The 500 coins are located right here https://blocks.dstra.io/address/DFoGNVw7zDT1xGEmD7ygnHNJ6CuBKmjEUZ

Very simple, but not necessarily easy game. Find the hidden private dstra key in dstra logo image. Import the key in a wallet, and run with the treasure – and I do mean run – transfer it out of the wallet quickly! Some will find it easy, while others will find it near impossible. The point of the game is to get the treasure, by any means necessary. Nobody says you have to do everything the “correct” way. Everything is a go. The game requires you to interact a few times via the blockchain. Come on over and join the fun!
Read more on Dstra discord https://discordapp.com/channels/417469579804147715/424546210964307978

THE DSTRA COINS HAVE BEEN CLAIMED!!
The Dstra treasure hunt is over

Congratulation to Discord@Mike-H who claimed for himself the nice amount of 506.74996880 dstra. May you spend them wisely!



How did Mike founded it?

Mike's own solution can be found on the dstra forum here : https://forum.dstra.io/threads/dstra-treasure-hunt-1.1066/
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Airdrop] DSTRA - From Community Comes Unity | V2 Released | Airdrop #10 | on: September 14, 2018, 06:01:37 AM

Join the Team Dstra first Treasure Hunt game.

Treasure Hunt for 500 dstra coins, free for whomever want to claim them! The 500 coins are located right here https://blocks.dstra.io/address/DFoGNVw7zDT1xGEmD7ygnHNJ6CuBKmjEUZ

Very simple, but not necessarily easy game. Find the hidden private dstra key in dstra logo image. Import the key in a wallet, and run with the treasure – and I do mean run – transfer it out of the wallet quickly! Some will find it easy, while others will find it near impossible. The point of the game is to get the treasure, by any means necessary. Nobody says you have to do everything the “correct” way. Everything is a go. The game requires you to interact a few times via the blockchain. Come on over and join the fun!
Read more on Dstra discord https://discordapp.com/channels/417469579804147715/424546210964307978

THE DSTRA COINS HAVE BEEN CLAIMED!!
The Dstra treasure hunt is over

Congratulation to Discord@Mike-H who claimed for himself the nice amount of 506.74996880 dstra. May you spend them wisely!
44  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 14, 2018, 05:56:28 AM
You seem to be the only one who has said anything about "tropic."

Evolution is a hoax, yes or no. Anybody can say a simple "yes" or "no." But simple yes or no isn't much of a discussion. In a forum we have discussion. That is why I bring in reasons to show that evolution is a hoax, and you attempt to bring in reasons to show why it isn't. Don't you even understand this about a forum, yet?

You have defined what a hoax is. Then you say that scientists believe. If a scientist believes something, isn't it true that he doesn't know? If he knew that evolution was real, he wouldn't have to believe that it was real. He would know that it is real.

Now, here is where the hoax part comes in. The scientists only believe. They don't know, and they know that they don't know. But they proclaim that evolution is real when they know it isn't. That is the hoax. The hoax is not knowing, but proclaiming that they know.

Since scientists don't know and yet hoax that they do, when the hoax is discovered, don't honest people start looking for the thing that is real? Then they see that the "higher power" idea fits the whole operation of nature far better than the evolution hoax. So, why suouldn't people start looking at the "higher power" idea?

The programming (C&E) stuff shows that evolution theory evolution (ETE) is not real. ETE doesn't talk about C&E in nature, but all we see is C&E in nature. Science knows that everything operates by C&E. But they don't seem to realize that there isn't any C&E in ETE. In other words, they don't want to recognize that ETE doesn't exist, as proven by C&E.

Are scientists that stupid? NO, of course not! They know that there isn't any C&E in ETE. They also know that the whole operation of nature works by C&E. So, they are hoaxing us when they say that ETE is real.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I’m not in agreement with that. Believing in something to be true, does not qualify as a hoax, whether it is actually true or not. We just don’t know better. Knowing something is not true, and then spreading that as the truth, qualifies as a hoax.

Whether your take on Evolution ultimate turns out be correct, or my version, shared by the majority of people, or none of us,-  none of us qualifies for preforming a hoax. We believe what we are propagating to actually be the truth.

Again C&E shows no such thing, if fact it shows the direct opposite, Evolution is a fact. C&E is a transition state, not the tool. It required identical input to produce identical outputs. Never ever in the history of the Universe has identical inputs been available in two situations, thus never ever has the output been identical. Pure Random from the beginning of the Universe till now. Evolution is a fact.
45  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 13, 2018, 06:39:00 AM
Why are you defining the thread tropic? The thread started with Evolution is a hoax, on account of that there are monkeys around. When you invoke programming as a means of explaining away evolution, you automatic open the door for a “higher power”. Super intelligent aliens or some form of god, cause I don’t know how else to define a “higher power”, responsible for this programming, which you state is around.

A Hoax is to deliberately and knowing falsifying the truth. The waste majority of scientists believe in evolution. In order for evolution to qualify as a hoax, we must have a conspiracy of millions of people, spanning 100+ years. Best conspiracy ever!

If you yourself want to keep strict to thread tropic, you should stop all the programming stuff and explaining why evolution is not possible – and concentrate on, that the waste majority of scientists are in a global conspiracy, lasting well past 100 some years. By default statistic is on my side, it is not possible, there is no such conspiracy, even with a reasonable margin. So many people, over such a long time, cannot run a conspiracy of this magnitude and not get called out.


Thus end of tropic, Evolution cannot be a hoax.
46  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 10, 2018, 08:43:04 PM
So I am finally shaking the foundations of your evolution religion! Good. You just might come to reality and realize evolution is a hoax.

Where is your example of beneficial mutation? Just because a bunch of people think that a mutation might be beneficial, do we take a vote to see who is right? How do we know that a critter thinks that the change is beneficial?

If a fish grew legs via evolution, where did the legs start? They started as nubs, or even less. No benefit in nubs. Do you think the fish foresaw that one of its descendants thousands or hundreds of thousands of years later would benefit from legs?

Where are your DNA samples for any of the fossils that are considered missing links? Without them, there is no way to tell that all the so-called missing links were not their own animal brought about by some non-evolution method that we don't understand yet.

What about the fact that there are multitudes of fossil creatures that just appeared, fully developed, without something to have developed from?

Where is your proof of even one pure random happening, so that we can see that there is a possibility that things were not programmed to exist as they are? After all, physics doesn't deviate in producing results. If it did, nobody could expect to ever get the same result from the same scientific experiment.

Where is natural selection? After all, nature has made multitudes of fantastic forms of life. Scientists and engineers can't make even one. And nature has fantastic reproduction in all its life forms. Scientists don't even entirely understand how it works. Why is nature so smart beyond all scientists and engineers?

When you look at the answers evolution people give to these and many other questions, you don't even realize that the answers skirt the questions, rather than answering them. But that is all right for you. You need to keep your evolution religion intact, right?

Evolution isn't just a hoax. It's a complete fabrication.

Cool

You have points in your questions, and even if answers skirt the questions, as you say, how come you so easily accept another solution to the questions, one which has absolutely zero proof?  Why don’t you apply the same suspicion and scrutiny to this solution?

500 years ago, we did not even know electricity existed. Might have experienced it via static electricity, but did not really know what it was.  Just because we don’t know – yet – does not mean it is not true. 2-4000 years ago, people believed in a multitude of gods, as an absolutely undisputed fact. They would think you were crazy if you told them there was only one. How were they less correct vs. your beliefs now? I think you would say they are, because it’s obvious and maybe even downright insane to you – but prove it to me!

Just because scientists and engineers can’t make life yet, has zero to do with if any given thing is true or not.


The ancient Greeks and Egyptians knew of electricity.

The whole point isn't about accepting something other than evolution. The whole point is finding a reason to accept evolution.

There are so many things against evolution as it is expressed in its theory, that the whole theory should be scrapped. The evolution story keeps changing because it is make believe. In fact, we can't even imagine a form of evolution that would fit the facts of reality.

The point is, if you want evolution to be real, find some way to formulate it that makes sense and fits the facts. If you can't, drop it, and find what is real. Evolution doesn't fit the facts, and hasn't even been proven to exist, once. All the talk about evolution is simply talk without proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

EDIT: Do you see what you and Astargath (in the previous post) are doing? You can't answer the questions that I asked, scientifically. So you bring my religion into it. By bringing religion into it, rather than answering scientifically, you are showing what you really think evolution is. To you, evolution seems to be a religion.

We have answered you points many times, but we don’t know it all either – that does not mean it’s not true. So here goes again, and I don’t even have to look any of this up.

1) Dinosaurs, Tyrannosaurus Rex, had tiny useless for arms. How did they get so useless? They devolved, probably from an ancestor, smaller, that needed them. Or you suggest that they were created useless? (Yes I know there are other theories). What’s the purpose of programming, if it’s useless what you program? This big meat eater found out, generation after generator, I don’t need arms, I just need size, big legs and a hug month, and I’ll do just fine.

2) There really exist no missing link, - I’m a missing link, you are a missing link, we are all missing links. Humans have leftovers, tail bone, thirteenth rib, appendix, little toe, wisdom teeth, neck rib, third eyelid, extrinsic ear muscles (like dogs and cats) and male nipples and body hair. They are all missing link between those that have and not have – that’s just humans!

3) No species appeared fully developed. There is no such thing as fully developed in evolution.  We are all in a transition state, between now and the next “new” species.

4) Our proof of random is the billion billion of individuals of each species that live right now – we are going in circles here!

5) Why is nature smarter than our scientists and engineers?!? I don’t know, it just is! We are not there yet; it’s as simple as that!

There you go, now answer mine!

Evolution is fact, there is no programming!

47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Airdrop] DSTRA - From Community Comes Unity | V2 Released | Airdrop #10 | on: September 10, 2018, 08:08:35 PM

Join the Team Dstra first Treasure Hunt game.

Treasure Hunt for 500 dstra coins, free for whomever want to claim them! The 500 coins are located right here https://blocks.dstra.io/address/DFoGNVw7zDT1xGEmD7ygnHNJ6CuBKmjEUZ

Very simple, but not necessarily easy game. Find the hidden private dstra key in dstra logo image. Import the key in a wallet, and run with the treasure – and I do mean run – transfer it out of the wallet quickly! Some will find it easy, while others will find it near impossible. The point of the game is to get the treasure, by any means necessary. Nobody says you have to do everything the “correct” way. Everything is a go. The game requires you to interact a few times via the blockchain. Come on over and join the fun!
Read more on Dstra discord https://discordapp.com/channels/417469579804147715/424546210964307978
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Airdrop] DSTRA - From Community Comes Unity | V2 Released | Airdrop #9 | on: September 07, 2018, 12:16:07 PM
swap worked like a charm for me, hardly seen such an easy swap! my wallet is staking pretty good even though I dont have that much coins. keep up the good work  Cool

There was a swap? I've been away for too long  Huh

Sorry to hear that. The swap is over for good, not taking stragglers anymore. Wallet Snapshot was 21. august, with multiply announcements beginning at least 14 days prior to that. Dstra admins have been helping stragglers until yesterday.  It’s over now.
49  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How many coins does Satoshi Hold? on: September 07, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
I've read some different estimates but there is a lot of different opinions.  I would post this in bitcoin discussion section but its spammer central over there.

Whats your best estimate on how many bitcoins satoshi holds?  If someone could provide evidence that would be great.

I dont think that satoshi is a one person , I think they are group or satoshi is made of many people. Well, I dont have an idea how many satoshi bitcoin holds.I little bit curious about your question, i read some of this thread post so that i gain more answer. Thank you for this.

Guess we will never know. My best guess is still that it is one person, because a team of people would not remind this silent about their accomplishments, long term. A team of people would, intentionally or unintentionally, spill bits of info here and there, which finally leads to exposure. Too much conspiracy for me. One man though, could keep silent forever, if he really wishes to.

I still convinced that Satoshi was the late Hal Finney (died in 2014). At least he knew more than he was willing to tell. He is by far the best candidate in my view. Only thing pulling down is the emails between Satoshi and Hal. You got to be really foreseeing and calculating to fake email correspondence between yourself and not be detected in writing analyses. On all other matters, he seems to fit perfect.

Best support for a one man and one that has died, is the million bitcoin on the same account. Either you are terrible rich to begin with, lost your private keys / password or are dead; else the coins would have been accessed at one point. It is also a testimony to the strength / security of the private key.  Probably a few 1000 people out there right now trying to get access to this account in one way or another. As long as they remain untouched, you private keys are still very safe. Once movement on the account happens, worry!
50  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 07, 2018, 06:46:20 AM
So I am finally shaking the foundations of your evolution religion! Good. You just might come to reality and realize evolution is a hoax.

Where is your example of beneficial mutation? Just because a bunch of people think that a mutation might be beneficial, do we take a vote to see who is right? How do we know that a critter thinks that the change is beneficial?

If a fish grew legs via evolution, where did the legs start? They started as nubs, or even less. No benefit in nubs. Do you think the fish foresaw that one of its descendants thousands or hundreds of thousands of years later would benefit from legs?

Where are your DNA samples for any of the fossils that are considered missing links? Without them, there is no way to tell that all the so-called missing links were not their own animal brought about by some non-evolution method that we don't understand yet.

What about the fact that there are multitudes of fossil creatures that just appeared, fully developed, without something to have developed from?

Where is your proof of even one pure random happening, so that we can see that there is a possibility that things were not programmed to exist as they are? After all, physics doesn't deviate in producing results. If it did, nobody could expect to ever get the same result from the same scientific experiment.

Where is natural selection? After all, nature has made multitudes of fantastic forms of life. Scientists and engineers can't make even one. And nature has fantastic reproduction in all its life forms. Scientists don't even entirely understand how it works. Why is nature so smart beyond all scientists and engineers?

When you look at the answers evolution people give to these and many other questions, you don't even realize that the answers skirt the questions, rather than answering them. But that is all right for you. You need to keep your evolution religion intact, right?

Evolution isn't just a hoax. It's a complete fabrication.

Cool

You have points in your questions, and even if answers skirt the questions, as you say, how come you so easily accept another solution to the questions, one which has absolutely zero proof?  Why don’t you apply the same suspicion and scrutiny to this solution?

500 years ago, we did not even know electricity existed. Might have experienced it via static electricity, but did not really know what it was.  Just because we don’t know – yet – does not mean it is not true. 2-4000 years ago, people believed in a multitude of gods, as an absolutely undisputed fact. They would think you were crazy if you told them there was only one. How were they less correct vs. your beliefs now? I think you would say they are, because it’s obvious and maybe even downright insane to you – but prove it to me!

Just because scientists and engineers can’t make life yet, has zero to do with if any given thing is true or not.
51  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 05, 2018, 06:33:13 AM
Here's a challenge for you genius, why don't you google the earth is flat.  You will find loads of really stupid reasons why the earth is flat and why the globe earth is impossible and rebuttals to "globe earth is impossible" are so faulty that they only rebut themselves.

See Evolution is a fact backed by peer reviewed science, I mean you can get all your info from the part of the internet that is opinion based which would lead you to be able to believe the earth is flat and it was created ~6000 years ago OR you can get your information from peer reviewed, repeated, provable experiments and discoveries.

Whats the matter? Can't you even do an Internet search? Can't think critically enough to see that your bible is wrong about everything, literally EVERYTHING especially young earth creationism, one of the stupidest of all the stupid religious ideas LOL!  Why do you need some sky daddies approval for anything, think for yourself and not what some stupid fucking book from 2 millennia ago tells you.

Your only source of data is one stupid book, science on the other hand has decades of data and experiments and 100's of thousands of man hours, gee I wonder why evolution is a fact and not the bible lmfao.

I would not put it that hard. Belief are not stupid, nor the people behind them. They might be misplaced or not really sustainable, maybe even not thought fully though, but in the end belief are fundamental hard to change, cause you are arguing against something a person truly believe to be correct. I know sometimes is just trolling, reaction probing, or just for the sake of arguing, but such behavior is normally easy spotted, or you will gather it along the way.

But in the end; fundamental I think you are fully correct in your words. Just like to say so a bit more diplomatically.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BuySell coin {BULL} PRESALE STARTED [MN/POS/POW] on: September 04, 2018, 07:18:28 PM
Just jumped in. Specifications looks good, low supply, low premined, just the way I like it! And it’s about organizations that help animals – hey what is not to like!
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Airdrop] DSTRA - From Community Comes Unity | V2 Released | Airdrop #9 | on: September 04, 2018, 12:15:11 PM
sniff sniff, i can smell a crex 24 listing coming, i bet you in the next few days there will be a crex 24 listing

Sniff sniff I can smell a DSTRA dump is coming... Cheesy
But who knows, maybe nobody will actually dump and the price will moon instead Smiley We will soon find out, for sure.


Don't mind dumping, its part of the game. Some sell, some buy, just as long as there is movement, all is good.
Only 3600 new coins coming each day. So not really inflating coin supply rapidly. Enough for 12-13 years before max supply reached.

So crex24 you are happily awaited
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Airdrop] DSTRA - From Community Comes Unity | V2 Released | Airdrop #9 | on: September 03, 2018, 06:05:28 AM
A hot summer ended and a cool autumn greeted.
However, DSTRA is still hot!
How! A new wallet has been released!
The address also became a new address starting from D!
Operation and holders are still active hotly!
Let 's work together as soon as possible!
Chances are still to come!

Very nice rim! keep them coming, thumb up. Maybe make some music for it, and you got a real winner!
55  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: August 30, 2018, 11:58:33 AM
How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Hmm, ad hominem i see! Arguing against the man, does not strengthen your argument. It a logical fallacy. I’m not going there.

Your deducting of programming out of C&E is equally a logical fallacy. It like saying water exists because I build a hose for it to flow though. Well it does not. You are not in control of causes and you cannot deduct the effect 100%, cause never ever in all the universe history has the cause been 100% the same, twice. How do you deduct programming out of this?

Once again Evolution do need random mutation, it has enough randomness as explained. Two parents, 4 children, tell me you don’t have random evolution right there. No? How come the 4 children are not identical then? Ohh yes the fetus (or the very mixing) adapted, I know!  Whether pure random exist or not, is pure speculation, I can’t prove it, you can’t prove it. And just the fact that it is speculation, true or not true, makes your relicense on it to explain away Evolution, yet another logical fallacy. I don’t need it to either true or not true, cause randomness is all around us, in trillion of examples.

Nothing is programmed and Evolution is fact.
56  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: August 29, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool
So what you are saying is the every action ever happened in the entire universe is the sole result of how the first electron bumped the second! Everything is predetermined. That I blinked twice right now, and not one time. That the 2nd ww happened, the pyramids of Giza, or the landing on the moon. Narr I don’t think so. And even if it was so, how do you know? It’s all theoretical, unproven speculations – of which you conclude that evolution cannot exist. Hmmm…… you just concluded that nothing means anything, as its all set in stone on account of one electron bumping into another.

You do realize that C&E is there whether something is programmed or not? And that programming is not a conclusion or deductible from C&E? Every cause leads to an effect, always.  C&E is not a programming; it’s a process which leads one event to another. It is transit state, from one or more causes to an effect – with absolutely no relation to programming.

Evolution is a fact, nothing is programmed.
57  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: August 27, 2018, 07:13:52 AM
Actually, if an electron bumped the next electron a little to the left of where it bumped it, the second would bump the third a little differently. but the reason the first bumped exactly where it did was, it was bumped in exactly the way it was bumped. If it was bumped differently, then it would bump differently.

We see nothing else in nature or the universe. Cause and effect act exactly as they were programmed to act - EXACTLY - with nothing (like random) making a difference in the way they acted. The whole thing was programmed.

Why do you think that some tremendous numbers of cause and effect are too many to keep them from being pure random? Just because computer programmers work like crazy to make computer programs work right, why do you think that there can't be an Intelligence that is farther above us than we are above a microbe? Just because you feel like thinking that way?

Everything is programmed. Since this is against evolution theory...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

BADecker you are not actually listing.

I fully agree if you bump the same electron the same way and the exact same circumstances, you will (most likely, because I really don’t know, neither do you) get the very same outcome every time. My point is circumstances are never, ever, the same! Not even in a lab, under a controlled experiment, it will be the same. All other things being equal – if you somehow could make that, time has gone by, thus nothing is ever 100% the same as last time.

What you can do is eliminate some factors that does not have influence on your given experiment, but that does not mean the experiment is 100% the same as the previous. And this is exactly what we do, whether you sit in your garage playing with switches and lightbulbs or with atoms at CERN.

It is not me that says pure random does not exist – you said it! Because it has never been observed.  I beg the difference, on two fronts – First, it is not needed, because you got enough randomness, multiplying by the second, without it – and if you can’t recreate any situation 100% again, don’t you actually have pure randomness? Second, what has never been observed in nature, or man made for that matter, is circumstances that are 100% the same as previously. So in a weird twist of fate, what has never happened in 4.5 billion years of this planet life is a situation that has occurred 100% identical, twice. Now how is that for randomness?

And for the record, I very much believe that there are far more intelligent beings in this universe, than us. The universe is a pretty big place – I would be shocked if we happened to be the top dogs in this big place. But hey I don’t really know. But apparently you do! – please share Smiley

Nothing is programmed, Evolution is a fact!

58  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: August 27, 2018, 06:32:36 AM
cats will still be cats and cats will not change shape or evolve, cats will still be cats

Would a picture help?



That's what you call breeding, even if it is done by nature.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Heh very funny. While it is indeed breeding, by nature, everybody else would simply look at this image and call this evolution. You do realize that breeding is evolution, right?  - nature or man made, does not really matter. Evolution is a fact. No getting around it!
59  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: August 24, 2018, 10:26:30 AM
Actually, even though the question of random may be philosophical to some people, it is also a reality question that falls into the realm of scientific non-philosophical investigation.

When evolution theory talks about random, it is not talking about fake or false random.

The billion factors are a billion examples of cause and effect action, not of random. Multiply that by a billion years and billions of species and you have just proven no evolution. How? Not one example of non-C&E action has ever been found, factually. All actions that are not known to be C&E factually, are expected to be C&E, simply because of the trillions of C&E actions that have been found, without even one pure random action ever having been found.

Our computers are extremely limited when compared with the computer-like action performed in all life in nature. Computer action or lack thereof, has nothing to do with random. It has everything to do with C&E... since all computers act through C&E, while random in computer action is only artificial random simply because complex C&E looks like random to people. Why? Because of the inherent weakness of people to observe such complexity clearly.

When evolution theory evolution says "random," where does it ever say "artificial random?" Since the question of what ETE means by "random" seems to be appearing now, evolution is truly not known to exist. Why? Because if true random is not what evolution is talking about, then ETE is talking about artificial random, which is C&E operated. C&E acts perfectly, according to the laws of physics. This means that evolution is essentially programmed if it exists. But ETE doesn't talk along the lines of programming at all! So, evolution doesn't exist, even if pure random exists.

In Japan there have been simple robots built that can reproduce themselves if given the right parts for reproduction. It's all C&E done. Nature that has no true or pure random, is C&E programmed to reproduce way beyond current understanding. So-called examples of evolution are simply examples of super-complex programming on a scale unimaginable.

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We differ in our understand of what Evolution is. I gather that you think, if pure (true) random does not exists, it must be programmed, thus by definition “someone” must have made it. On the reverse side, if not programmed, pure (true) random must exist, something which, according to you, have not been found or observed ever! A dilemma I can see.

My point is that true random is not needed for evolution. C&E is very much alive, it goes for everything, a cause always gives an effect, in everything, programmed or not. Randomness in evolution comes from evolution itself! An ever increasing new pool of DNA material, produce ever increasing amount of randomness. There is no need for true randomness, as DNA mixing under different circumstances provides enough random in itself, and continuously expand.

Let’s just say that everything was created by a supreme being – which, as I have said earlier, might well be the case, it is now so far removed from the beginning, what he/she created, that it would not be recognizable anymore. No living being on this planet looks even remotely like the initial creation, if such was the case.

It’s much like the same situation humans are in with artificial intelligence, and the doomsdays scenarios we create around this. Once intelligence or rather awareness, free will maybe, is acquired, the creator is out of the loop. You are no more in control of the programming. Programming is neither a roadmap nor hinderers for randomness. You cannot predict combinations or patterns, as your creation has free will to do what it likes. Randomness multiply in the trillions each second, even if it is at the very bottom is programmable bits and bytes that decide for you. Too many options, under too many different circumstances, with too many individuals making decisions – well is that not actually random?
60  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: August 23, 2018, 11:25:17 AM
Why would you think that I think C&E eliminates randomness? We have billions or trillions of examples of C&E, but none whatsoever of pure random. They don't necessarily eliminate each other. It all revolves around what exists. How can you eliminate something that you can't find, i.e., random? It isn't there to eliminate?

If "you have to have the exact same causes, under the exact same circumstances," all you have is the exact same physics working with the exact same C&E. Nothing goes on in evolution, because evolution only exists in the minds of people who think it exists. We have no example of evolution in nature. All examples of evolution in nature are examples of adaptation or like-begets-like. How do we know? Because adaptation or like-begets-like fits the examples better than the evolution fiction. How do we know this? Because evolution says "randomness" in part, but C&E in as many things that we understand C&E in, without finding even one proven instance of pure random, shows that random doesn't exist probability-wise.

No random means no evolution, because evolution theory says that there have to be random mutations. All mutations are C&E actions.

What this all means is that C&E continues to work with physics laws to make large of varieties of "things" by the programming that C&E is. Or can you show us one proof of something that came about by random without being the effect of one or more causes?

Further, all the scientists know that C&E works in everything. How do we know that they know this? Because that's all they do in their observation or experimentation. Even a scientist who looks for pure random does it by using all kinds of C&E to find it. In fact, the scientist, himself/herself, is totally made of C&E.

Cool

The question whether what we call random, is truly random, is a philosophical question. My guess is as good as yours. It does not really matter, because you don’t need true random in Evolution. There are a billion factors on the line, just passing two DNA strings on to the next generation. Multiply that by billion years and a billion species, reproducing a trillion times each. You got all the randomness you will ever need. Not even all the computer power in the world could produce this level of randomness.

True randomness is by no means a requirement for evolution; you just need mixing under different circumstances, and there you got all the randomness you will need. And as said before Evolution is observable on the daily basic, in all species. Examples of evolution, you are constant looking for, are so plentiful in nature, you could not even count them. Certainly two parents having two different children is not adaptation? like-begets-like, I’ll give you that, exists very much. I got another word for that, Evolution!
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