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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 27, 2018, 07:19:23 PM
@panor: Thank you for taking time and writing this good answer! I appreciate it! I am getting tempted to invest in this more and more.

One more question about this. Lets say the Bafin says the ETOs are securities, how difficult /what problems would this cause?
I googled this a bit and read in the law/statements from Bafin and i must say it doesn´t even sound that bad if it would be a security and you would be classified as "Finanzdienstleistungsunternehmen" (financial service enterprise). For examplef the minimum capital requirement to be an "Investment bank" ("Wertpapierhandelsbank") was a staggering LOW number of unbelievable 730.000€. You might need 2 CEO´s with experience in banking tho.
For companies that are in the placement business the minimum capital requirement is just 50.000€ - what is basically nothing.

And since your Fifth Force GmbH raised 12 Mill. euro and is backed by Private Equity giant KKR, you have good access to capital.
I was really surprised how undramatic this all sounded.

Am i overlooking something, or why is it from your perspective important/or better if the classification is "Finanzinstrumente" over securities?

The answer is a bit “legal”. Securities and Finanzinstrumente is not necessarily something different. Actually, securities (Wertpapiere) are a subcategory from financial instruments (Finanzinstrumente). Investment Assets (Vermögensanlagen) are a further subcategory from financial instruments. Hence, we do not mind if equity tokens are classified as financial instruments, we even advocate this. The issue is not so much the license to obtain, the issue is more that securites come with a lot of other obligations. Many of those we also do not mind, anything that is related to prospectus, publishing information etc. we even very much favor as we stand for transparency and compliance. But one requirement blockchain cannot fulfill and that is a required connection to Clearstream which is the central settlement agency for any transfer and trade of securities. Not only would it contradict the basic philosophy of blockchain of being decentralised, but it would also not be technologically possible.

One more thing - 12Mil Euro was not raised by Fifth Force. It's a capital which still belongs to investors to further use on the platform (it was just commited in the smart contract). Fifth Force is in any way in control to commited funds.
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 27, 2018, 02:57:05 PM
Neufund's CEO just got mentioned in the Frobes article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/montymunford/2018/02/27/five-female-rock-stars-leading-the-crypto-scene-in-2018/2/#11ba79234cd0
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 27, 2018, 10:47:47 AM
Our latest blog post with information how to register on the Neufund Platform to invest in ETOs:
https://blog.neufund.org/how-to-register-on-the-neufund-platform-to-invest-in-etos-618d4d8bd32b
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 27, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
Of course we can respond to your questions. Please find responses from our lawyers below in the text.

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his is something we are saying from the very beginning. ICO era will end sooner or later. Fundraising in an unregulated manner when everybody is trying to say that they release utility tokens can't stand. Neufund stands that it's a kind of security (depending on jurisdiction there might be different classification) if you use tokens for funding of the company (which was exactly said in the latest Swiss regulatory publication)....

Well i really like this project. But it would be nice if your lawyer could answer shortly 2 questions. Because in the Whitepaper and with your answer here you (as a company) always dance around 2 questions.

1. What classification under the german laws do you guys hope for how the ETOs (not Neumark) of the companies that you plan to fund will be treated from Bafin?
As "Finanzinstrumente" (financial instruments is a legal term in germany), "Wertpapiere" (securities) or what else and under which of the many laws do you *want* to be classified (WpHG, WpPG, VermAnlG)? What would be your goal?

We expect that equity tokens are qualified as Finanzinstrumente (financial instruments), but not as securities (Wertpapiere). Instead we believe that equity tokens in the current structure are Vermögensanlagen (investment assets). In this case the offering would be subject to the German Banking Act (KWG) and the Investment Asset Act (VermAnlG).

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2. In your whitepaper you write that you plan enabling trading of the ETO tokens on your patform. So what kind of license do you think you require from Bafin to do this? No law essay just an answer whether you think you are "multi lateral trading platform" (thats a legal term in germany) or a fully fledged Exchange? A LOT depends on those things.

Currently, we are not planning to enable trading of equity token on our platform. We are focusing strictly on primary market. We plan to organize secondary trading with our partners. However, we think that any platform that allows trading of tokens - regardless whether equity, utility or currency tokens - requires a license as a financial institute (not as a bank).  

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The Bafin starting with the end of last year has issued a series of some sometimes quite severe warnings:
the Nov statement is a especially worrisome for this project:

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Therefore, undertakings and persons that arrange the acquisition of tokens, sell or purchase tokens on a commercial basis, or operate secondary market platforms on which tokens are traded are generally required to obtain authorisation from BaFin in advance.
source:https://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/EN/Fachartikel/2017/fa_bj_1711_ICO_en.html

so the Bafin states that BEFORE you launch the platform you need to have a permission from Bafin.

When are you planning to apply for this license? I could not find ANYTHING on the web that you have applied. How long do you think it will take to get the license? Do you think you can start with the ETOs this year, or do you think it will take longer?

We are in discussion with Bafin about this and are in ongoing conversations which exact license is required for the platform in the type and form we are intending to run it. We are confident that we will be able to launch ETOs as planned.

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If BaFin receives information indicating dealings which might be prohibited, it investigates them and, where necessary, intervenes by administrative means. Independently of this, trading without the required authorisation is punishable by law and the law enforcement authorities are responsible for the prosecution of such criminal offences.

So to sum up you really need your permission before you can start your platform. And therefore you need to think about as what you want to be seen (legally).

We believe that equity tokens are investment assets (as above). Offering those will be similar to crowdfunding and is exempted from the requirement of a permission as a financial institute. However, we are in discussion with Bafin to get this view confirmed. Since the inception, Neufund’s mission has been to bring the Blockchain fundraising out of the regulatory grey zone, and enabling a fully compliant Blockchain-based investment process. For the protection of investors and companies and, last but not least, our platform will be launched only in a fully compliant setup and framework.

As you can also see from yesterdays European Commission meeting (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-18-1242_en.htm) where France and Germany already issued common letter on cryptocurrency understanding everything is heading in the anticipated direction. Setting regulations and directions for the future development is all in progress and that's why there is a lot of uncertainty. Projects which are in dialogue with the regulators from the very beginning are part of the movement that's gonna shape the future regulations and directions for the blockchain industry.
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 23, 2018, 12:14:54 PM

This is something we are saying from the very beginning. ICO era will end sooner or later. Fundraising in an unregulated manner when everybody is trying to say that they release utility tokens can't stand.
Neufund stands that it's a kind of security (depending on jurisdiction there might be different classification) if you use tokens for funding of the company (which was exactly said in the latest Swiss regulatory publication). It doesn't matter if your token has a utility function or not.

Tokens that Neufund platform will create are by design regulated and classified in form of securities. Companies that will fundraise on the Neufund platform will have to file a prospectus (which type depends on the funding schema). Normally it's a hard process but that's the point where we have a predefined forms and templates and it becomes fast and fairly easy.
Neufund never tried to avoid regulations but to comply with them from the very start.

So to make the long story short - this was anticipated for a long time and we believe that the future is with the Equity Tokens.
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 21, 2018, 03:27:37 PM
Where does the sudden -25% price drop come from?  Huh
Well, Neufund officially claimed, that it will be possible to log in onto platform with Ladger Nano wallet. They had already released instructions, how to use this cool little thing on the platform. For me, it is a good sign about hot development process that is taking place right now.

https://neufund.org/docs/ledgernanomanual/download/
Announcements are contrary to the price, The whole market is green and only NEU is red in my portfolio
this is actually very strange but the team for some reason is not active on the forum, what are we waiting for now?

If you have any questions please ask.
We are working hard on finishing the platform and closing deals for the first batch of ETOs. We are still on track to release the platform in Spring this year.

We will soon publish some updates on our blog.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 15, 2018, 08:59:59 AM
Not really, you decide what to invest in, you have to do your research etc.
Neufund is providing platform for companies on- and off-chain to offer real equity on blockchain. All with legal framework, smart contracts, token issuance, and due diligence to make sure that those are not scams.
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: February 09, 2018, 02:47:13 PM
Neumark (NEU) has just been added to HitBTC, you can trade with BTC, ETH and USDT pairs: https://hitbtc.com/NEU-to-BTC , https://hitbtc.com/NEU-to-ETHhttps://hitbtc.com/NEU-to-USDT
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: January 19, 2018, 08:31:04 PM
Neufund is looking for talents and hiring.  New job listings available on https://neufund.org/careers/. And also there will be a MAMA's first meetup in Zurich, Switzerlandin  on Jan 16th, , where Neufund may took part, and if you are investor, it`s your chance to talk with CEO Zoe​ ​Adamovicz, ask some questions about project.
Hi dev, Any plans to get listed on biniance or cryptopia or kucoin and other exchange

As we always say on telegram and all other comm media:
Please don't ask about new exchanges. We as a team can't speculate on price by talking about possible additions if they are not fully dependand on us. If we will be listed somewhere then you will be the first ones to know.
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 16, 2018, 03:31:53 PM
I like the core idea of this program but am unaware whether it really works. Some ICO's are not scams but are rather a "bad investment" which cannot be detected, except if checking reviews very closely.

As i mentioned before the idea behind icomonitor is not to valuate the projects but to check if the smart contracts and what is stated in the ICO is actually true and transparent. It's just a step in helping everybody to evaluate the project and potential investment.
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 16, 2018, 03:29:40 PM
Does this project belong to NEU or seperate?
Or is there any relation?

Neufund is behind developement of this project but it's fully opensourced and anybody can add their ICO by a pull request in Github.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 16, 2018, 09:59:59 AM
New addition:

DGTX (Marked: Green)
https://icomonitor.io/#/0x1c83501478f1320977047008496dacbd60bb15ef
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: January 15, 2018, 11:21:23 AM
I am interested in investing into NEU when the EUR ICBM round starts. But I have some important questions before investing:

  • Will the ICBM be supported with a Signature campaign? This would be very important imho.
  • Is there any hard cap?

Please wait for the EURO ICBM announcements where all details will be presented.
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: January 15, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
NEU can now be traded also on IDEX - https://idex.market/eth/neu
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 10, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
The monitor can't be trusted itself. I can see some crap projects getting green light while some great projects  earned red light. Not worth the time.

We don't do valuation of project - we are only valuating smart contract and transparency
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 10, 2018, 12:03:43 PM
This is a good site, but I don't understand what transparency means, the open source of the ICO project code. Or is it relatively trustworthy?

When you click on the "see more" next to each ICO you can see what is evaluated during the review
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 10, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
When I click on "ICO Statistics see more" a message pops up saying Server returned error: 502. This happens for all ICOs.
I was looking for some popular ongoing ICOs and I couldn't find them on your Transparency Monitor. Where can I suggest new projects for your transparency analysis?

Do you still get an error?

You can create a pull request and add ICO by yourself, the team will just do the review:
https://github.com/Neufund/ico-transparency-monitor#adding-custom-icos-to-the-transparency-monitor
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 📡 ICO Transparency Monitor 💡 on: January 10, 2018, 12:00:53 PM
Here are some new additions:

Etherdelta (Marked: Green)
https://icomonitor.io/#/0xCe53a179047ebed80261689367c093C90A94cC08

ANGL (Marked: Green)
https://icomonitor.io/#/0xE1f243A9AbfeeF646bE6BeF7b8C2018276574294
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: January 06, 2018, 10:10:57 PM
How much NEU / ETH will I receive once the platform goes live in I will additionally ETH ETH to my account

Once the Plattform is live and I am able to invest in companies on which rate will my ETH become exchanged to Eur-t.?


You will always invest according to the current value of ETH vs Euro. NEU issuance curve is described in the whitepaper, so you can calculate how much for each Euro you will get.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NEU] 🚀🚀 Neufund. Community-owned Equity Token Platform. 🚀🚀 on: January 06, 2018, 10:09:07 PM
Are these equity tokens supported by the law systems of the USA?

Currently we do not support US customers as legal structure in US is much different than in EU. In Germany we have 2 types of securities, while in US you have only one.
We are not saying that it won't be possible to invest into ETOs in the future on our platform, but currently we are focusing to be fully compliant with European laws (which in fact are in compliance with most of the world in this case). When everything will be working we will start thinking about US.
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