Pull the back plate and fan the fuck out of it?
And void my warranty for 10mh ? Not very appealing . Right now i’m just pist i got the gaming trio cause prior to buying general consensus was that these cards were safe from issues . Should of went for an evga ftw3 or the asus tuf . I’ve always seen good results from evga’s when it comes to OC for mining . I'm curious. So, to be clear: 1.) GPU-Z doesn't indicate it's thermal throttling. 2.) Setting the fan on auto --- what fan speeds do you get? 3.) Can't unlock voltage monitoring 4.) What MSI AB version are you running? 5.) Nvidia driver version? 1.) i’m using hwinfo and its not showing me thermal temp limit reach. It does show me power limit reached tho. Not sure how to see thermal throttling with gpu-z . I’ll look at it if u show me where to check 2.) fan is set to auto. Temp is at 45-48c with fan usually being around 60-70% . Just added some 120mm magnetic corsair fan so inside the case is very cool. Oh and i have a fan outside my case right in front of the card to push out any hot air. 3-4.) i downloaded the MSI AB 4.6.3 beta and was able to have the core volt enable but even with that maxed out the card still throttles . 5.) nvidia driver 460.89 the latest . 1)In GPU-Z look for PerfCap Reason. It should say Idle when you are mining, and will change the Therm if it is thermal throttling. 3-4) do not raise core clock or core voltage, it just exacerbates the problem. If you use MSI AB you need to underclock and undervolt using voltage curve mode (I have mine flattened to 1000mhz, this will cause the gpu to run at its lowest voltage possible, thus lowering PL without reducing hashrate). Press ctrl+F when you are using MSI AB. Do not underclock by setting PL. |
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Just thinking out loud, for the cards that use 2mm-3mm thermal pads, would it make sense to buy 1.5mm copper shiims and reduce the thickness of the thermal pads?
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Working well on my 5700s. On average i'm seeing ~2W atw lower power draw than trm
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Since all these 6000 series giving same hashrate can we count on upcoming rx 6700  i mean for cheaper same 60mhs Safe to assume depending if they keep the 256bit bus or go for the 192bit bus like the 5600xt. That would be super lousy of them if they decrease to 192 bit. so far all signs point to 192bit https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6700.c3716 |
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Just got an rx 6800.
Can't get mem to go past 2150MHz. I don't think it is the memory temps (can't be sure) and might just be silicone lottery as it is perfectly stable at 2148.
Used more powertools to lower core voltage to 700mV. Will try and lower the voltage more tomorrow.
So far it is getting 62MH (lolminer 1.16)@ 145W at the wall. Software is reading 112W.
Although morepowertools can unlock the vram speed, the moment it is set to above 2150, core clock will get locked at 500mhz.
Igorslab managed to overclock his to 2200 so maybe 6800 has a memory speed lock in bios.
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the prices seem logical. if the 3060ti performs as well as the 2080super, and the 2080supers were going for £600, then the market will price it as such. so new price tiers, 3060ti £600, 3070 £700 and £1000 for 3080. These prices are what amazon uk is asking for (not third party sellers)  . Logical? if every 2 years was like you stated, then in 2 years a 5nm rtx 4060ti would be the price of a rtx 3080 which at moment is $1200 and then in 2 years a 3nm 5060ti would be the price of a rtx 4080 would be around $2000, see where this is going? in 2007 nvidia released a 8800gt which had performance of a 8800 gtx with half the price, in your concept, the 8800gt should have had the same price and that was logical? thankgod the people at that time is not like the people in this time because if the bs had started way back, then a 3060ti at moment would be 50k and yeah that for you would have been logical hehe, doubling price and performance every 2 years hehe Logical yes, as we are in unprecedented times, disrupted supply chains and high demand thanks to trump bucks and non stop money printing. Who knows, stranger things could happen, maybe what you postulate could be true  |
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I can get it for $550 with a piece of luck and for $650-700 easily. But even $550 is too much as for me. Possible to but, better then 3080 or 3070, but i dont ready to buy it right now.
do not let desperation take over, the moment you let then you show weakness to your own desires, do not act like simps or idiots, be firm and patiently wait your turn. the prices seem logical. if the 3060ti performs as well as the 2080super, and the 2080supers were going for £600, then the market will price it as such. so new price tiers, 3060ti £600, 3070 £700 and £1000 for 3080. These prices are what amazon uk is asking for (not third party sellers) . |
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I’d like to ping this topic again. Here it is the end of 2020 and POW is still working.
I still maintain the opinion that the move to POS could effectively harm the eth economy. It’s no BTC, to be sure but ethereum has grown tremendously and with so many erc-20 tokens relying on the stability of a working system it will be really interesting to see how this plays out. From the start of this thread you can see how long they’ve been planning to move from mining to staking but always seem to get delayed or run into problems. Any opinions on this?
How many successful pow coins are out there. None that have gone up 10x and stayed up. I guess you could argue ripple is successful. But not so much. Eth will play with pos and if anything if they push it hard and truly look to go to pos then ETC may benefit. You guys remember the coin that was suppose to be Ethereum competition back in 2016 or so called Lisk (LSK). It was basically similar to ETH except that it was POS from the beginning. Many argued that ETH was in trouble because POS was the future and LSK would quickly overtake ETHs market share. And now how is LSK doing exactly? Its around $1 or so, and has a marketcap of less than $200 million while ethereums is $68 billion. So just because its POS isn't necessarily always a bullish thing. I think ETHs hashrate distribution is pretty fair in my opinion. Many people at home are mining it with their GPUs and securing the network. Probably even more home miners on ETH than BTC which is largely controlled by huge farms. What POS will do is reduce the carbon footprints but what will happen only the rich 1% will be mostly the ones staking. And it will become similar to how wealth is distributed today. IMO, with staking pools, pos would be beneficial as it would mean not requiring to buy the latest and most efficient gpus to mine. With POS, people in countries with higher power cost would be able to participate in securing the network. I would love to see an ETF that stakes eth and pays out the proceeds as dividends |
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zotac holo doesn't throttle in my gaming pc.
712mV -250core +775mem 91.8MH @ 230W atw (205W in phoenixminer)
How long did you let it mining? Because Zotac has all poscaps and it should throtle. We kicked around mixed caps vs 1 cap as throttle it is not but 1 cap does lock up cool units on high clocks. my mixed cap evga can go to + 1400 or +1500. and does not lock up or over heat. it has good cooling 3 fan and the mixed caps. see if you can clock higher and if it locks even if the memory is cool. It might lock up on high core clocks, but i will not get to those clocks anyway since it is inside my desktop and i've built it to be silent so it does get pretty warm in there. Even so, gpu-z didn't show any thermal issues. On a side note, pretty happy with this card. Looks pretty and well engineered. I got this card: https://jisakuhibi.jp/review/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3080-amp-holoReview is in japanese but google translate does a good job and the review has a complete tear down. All that rgb is awesome inside my windowless case |
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Not telling you how you should do your calculations, but normally when deciding whether to put more capital to work (buying gpus), one has to look at the breakeven time of the additional capital deployed based on the income it achieves and not from other income streams. So the breakeven time of your new 3080 isnt in 3 months, as the other poster assumed.
It doesnt matter how many rigs one has. Even if i had hundreds of gpus making thousands of dollars, i cannot justify a 3090 as a good way to spend my mining income.
Yes the taxman cares for all your existing mining income and will tax you for any incremental income from additional gpus purchased.
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Close to 3 hours now.
It isn't the caps causing it, it is the memory temperature. If you look at gpu-z perfcap shows therm
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zotac holo doesn't throttle in my gaming pc.
712mV -250core +775mem 91.8MH @ 230W atw (205W in phoenixminer)
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Cannot get to that ROI. At ~2usd/day for 61 mhs, I get ~8 months ROI. Without electric cost. What am I missing? You aren't missing anything, he is just playing with "house money". You are correct, his breakeven point on his new cards are about as you've calculated. Even though he has other rigs to pay it off, the breakeven time of the additional capital deployed has to be calculated based on the incremental income it provides. |
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I just removed the whole back plate that way i can always put it back together. At least the thermal pad completely covers the ram unlike the msi rx5700 mech. Dont have any spare 1mm pads so didnt replace the original ones. Without temperature measurements im not sure if it is worthwhile anyway |
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Had some spare time, so i took apart my gigabyte 3060ti eagle. It is quite obvious why the temps are sub par on this card 1) no tim between memory heat spreader and heatsink 2) back plate is thick plastic and has a lip that impedes airflow.    saw this crap on my gigabyte 5700 oc as well. After reassembling without the plastic back plate (had to use a couple of washers to attach the heatsink back on), it looks like mem oc went from +1000 to +1200. |
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I been trying to get my hands on the newer GPUs but they even harder to get hold of then a PS5
you can skip the 3060tis, it really isn't worth it. 50% higher hashrate, 50% higher power consumption and 50% more expensive than a 5600xt. If you want to build a rig, look for cheap 5600xt (it is possible) or hunt for used ones Your numbers are off. my 5600ts do an average 44MH@95W, and my 3060ti does 60MH@140W. On amazon you can get the 5600xt for £280 and i got the 3060ti @ £430. Numbers look pretty spot on to me 39 to 42 at 89 watts for my 5600xt's as cheap as 250 usd 60 to 62 at 140 watts for the 3060ti at 488 usd points to getting 5600xt but I can not get the 5600xt for 250 usd like I did in october https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt-raw-ii-pro-6gb-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card/6398005.p?skuId=6398005the one above is 330 x 1.07 x .87 = 308 so 488 compared to 308 is 1.58 to 1 62 to 39 = 1.58 to 1 basically a tie if you have a 39th 5600 and get a 62 th 3060ti it could vary but close to each one. although an 8 card rig would be say 320 mh for the and and 480 mh for the nvidia so space wise the nvidia makes sense. RX 5700 XT is better than RX 5600 It used to be, but now that you can bios mod 5600xt, it is about 15-25% better than a bios modded 5700 an 8 card 3060ti would require a beefier powersupply or a second one. They are also hard to put in a compact space. Like you i have a space issue and have to stack server cases. It would stop looking for 5600xts once they come out with blower 3060ti |
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I been trying to get my hands on the newer GPUs but they even harder to get hold of then a PS5
you can skip the 3060tis, it really isn't worth it. 50% higher hashrate, 50% higher power consumption and 50% more expensive than a 5600xt. If you want to build a rig, look for cheap 5600xt (it is possible) or hunt for used ones Your numbers are off. my 5600ts do an average 44MH@95W, and my 3060ti does 60MH@140W. On amazon you can get the 5600xt for £280 and i got the 3060ti @ £430. Numbers look pretty spot on to me |
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I been trying to get my hands on the newer GPUs but they even harder to get hold of then a PS5
you can skip the 3060tis, it really isn't worth it. 50% higher hashrate, 50% higher power consumption and 50% more expensive than a 5600xt. If you want to build a rig, look for cheap 5600xt (it is possible) or hunt for used ones |
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the heatsink on that looks even smaller than my gigabyte, but evga has always been a solid choice. Also that cooler isn't a passthrough design that is all the rage now which should be great for a mining setup
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Got 2 bottom rung gigabyte 3060ti eagles. Both can only achieve +1025 on the mem (effective speed 7825mhz) probably due to the cheap cooler design.
60MH @ 140W
if memory thermal pads dont help then is hard to achieve anything higher, no surprise, gigabyte need to sack the cooling team. I'm not sure if memory pads will help, the cooler itself is pretty light weight and only a dual slot dual fan design. With my garage at 20C, the fans are running at 70% and core temp is at 70C. I shudder to think how bad it will be during summer. |
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