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41  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 24, 2014, 06:08:25 AM
Someone at btc-e is definitely leading this crash. I'm just impressed that someone would trust btc-e with so much $

It looks like the price started going down on Huobi, according to bitcoin wisdom charts.  09:00 was the start of the red candles there, but thy didnt start until 10:00 on the european exchanges.
42  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 24, 2014, 06:05:45 AM
its probably panic sells based on the economy report out of china.

If it is so, this could be a lot more than only panic selling. In worst case this could be the end of chinese bitcoin.

In the worst case!

Why is that?
43  Economy / Speculation / Re: The reason volume is so low on Gox, BTCE and Bitstamp on: January 19, 2014, 01:28:52 PM
Anyone else worries about what will happen after the Chinese new year  Roll Eyes

Wouldn't it make sense to protect your investment by exploring every possible threat or opportunity?  All those in denial may just want to do themselves a favour and listen to every opinion to at the very least educate themselves. 

If you have learned everything you possibly can about the situation in China, including what's happening with the volume at Huobi and researched the background of the owner of what is currently the largest exchange in the world, and conclude that this situation is not a threat to bitcoin short term, that more power to you. 
44  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2014 could be a slow year for bitcoin on: January 19, 2014, 01:05:25 PM
Given the huge price increase in 2013 and the way 2014 started, with a sharp rise to ~1000 and long rest time in the 800s, I'm speculating that we'll see more price stabilization and less ups/downs for a looong time.

Anyway, price is too high for regular people to buy, too high to be used in small transaction like pizza and distribution of majority is in the hands of just a few people.

Check this:
http://bitcoinrichlist.com/top500

You'll see positions 33-36 (4 addresses) and 38, 40, 43, 44, 45 each one with ~30,000 coins, all wallets with last transaction in on Dec 20, 2013 9:07:23 PM. This means about 250,000 coins held by a single entity.

You'll also see positions 79-98 (20 addresses) with about 10,000 coins each, last tx in on Dec 25, 2013 11:26:40 PM. Total is about 200,000 coins.

If we sum first 500 address, that means 4,364,182 BTC. I'm assuming less than 50 people control these 4 million coins.

This mean scarcity and scarcity means high price. High price means less buyers and less buyers mean less volatility.

Welcome to 2014, year of bitcoin stagnation.



We are at day 19/365 of 2014. Patience is a virtue. 
45  Economy / Speculation / Re: Green shoot analysis - volume increasing on: January 19, 2014, 01:02:39 PM

Assuming there even is more volume on the upside (it's unclear), you would have to wait for an actual price movement anyways to confirm. If the volume isn't significant enough to move price, it isn't significant enough to be a reliable indicator. That makes this analysis very very close to pointless.

Exactly. 
46  Economy / Speculation / Re: Green shoot analysis - volume increasing on: January 19, 2014, 01:00:58 PM

More significant than you think in the market today, with the positive sentiment and the record level of hodling going on.

If the market is going sideways - I mean really straight - then the minute level can give you a clue as to sentiment in this way, even if the price doesn't move.

The reason it doesn't move is because there is a sell wall. The small buys are nibbling that wall. But there are still more buys than sells. That's market sentiment.

Thinking on this level is going to become more useful as time goes on because there are going to be increasing numbers of small buyers - minnows - and together they will be a force to be reckoned with.


Look, I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but the 1m charts give absolutely no indication of anything at all.  And over the past couple of days, and today in particular, volume (your "green shoots") is dropping in a big way. 
47  Economy / Speculation / Re: The reason volume is so low on Gox, BTCE and Bitstamp on: January 19, 2014, 12:54:31 PM
That would explain the (pretty significant) volume drop on Huobi, but why BTCe, Bitstamp, and Gox?

48  Economy / Speculation / Re: Green shoot analysis - volume increasing on: January 18, 2014, 09:07:38 AM
I keep hearing "Green Shoots" and "microcosmic" trends.  If you want to talk about TA you may want to have a look at babypips, they have a great school for analysis http://www.babypips.com/school.  I'd recommend you have a look. 

Also I'd recommend zooming out on your charts.  1 minute charts are too narrow.  Zoom out, 15m minimum, 1 hour, 4 hour and daily.

Also, volume has decreased fairly significantly over the past couple of weeks.

And the "green shoots" are called "candlesticks".
49  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the Council on Foreign Relations on: January 18, 2014, 07:01:14 AM
Thanks for keeping us informed.  Following
50  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2014, 12:07:52 PM
2014: the year of the weekend spikes! 

Come on weekend rally! 
51  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market Impact from a MTGox collapse on: January 17, 2014, 07:49:58 AM
Maybe MtGox has just decided that the US market is too much of a pain to deal with?  Their Japanese bank has also placed a limit on the number of wire transfers they can make in a day.  So they get backlogged

Is there something else I am missing? 
52  Economy / Speculation / Re: China has no plans to ban Bitcoin on: January 17, 2014, 01:17:06 AM
Personally, I think we should be working together to create 10 more Huobis.


10 more Huobis would make sure one exchange doesn't control so much of the volume.  If China shuts down Huobi tomorrow what would that do to the price?  And there are many reasons for China to do so; using personal bank accounts for the transferring of corporate funds; operating a money loan service without appropriate licensing, or a money transmitter service without a license (I assume they don't have the proper licensing), or their bank simply doesn't want to piss off the government anymore and closes their account.

Bottom line: this leveraged BTC trading offered by huobi is dangerous in this climate.
53  Economy / Speculation / Re: China has no plans to ban Bitcoin on: January 17, 2014, 12:39:31 AM
I can't believe the hold that China has on so many of you.

The illusion is two-fold:

1. A significant proportion, perhaps a majority, of people on this forum really believe that 31 January is going to be some kind of apocalypse - a mega-crash; a mega-dump of Chinese bitcoins on western exchanges; a giant panic sell; etc.

2. Also significant, but perhaps slightly smaller, are the proportion of those who really believe that this could permanently cripple Bitcoin, as if we are going to pass from the Golden Age of bitcoin into some kind of degraded era.

Point 2 is clearly utterly without substance.

IMO point 1 is highly unlikely to materialize. The Chinese government wants a particular level of control. They are working towards that quickly. As for the mega-dump it will not happen. Things will go more or less sideways until more and more of those waiting for the crash realize it isn't going to happen. A tipping point will occur within the waiting crowd and the price will being to rise again.



As for your point #1, if "A significant proportion, perhaps a majority, of people on this forum" think something negative will happen on or around the 31st, wouldn't you think that that thinking itself could bring a panic sell, with so many people wanting to head to cash before the 31st?

And dont count out point 2.  Nothing is really being said about what is going on with Huobi right now.  With their leverage platform, everyone there is playing the market.  With the volume they have created through this leverage and potentially artificial data, and 74% of the global bitcoin volume, if they get shut down or worse, everyone there loses everything, it could seriously hurt bitcoin. We should be working together to stop exchanges from controlling the market the way they are.
54  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2014, 02:27:05 PM
Buy and hold is for suckers or someone who bought in during a panic selloff. The real money to be made is on the weekly fluctuation. So while most wait for 2000k per BTC they miss out on the 900 - 600 - 900 - 600 action that takes places for a long while.

Youll know when BTC is ready to go the the moon ($5k?) when few before it does it tanks 40% and everyone is wishing they were in fiat.

Where are we able to buy your book? I'm really interested in it. I do want to make some real money.

Just pull back your charts to daily and weekly candles and look att price action after the price pops. The answers are all there.

That's like the most amazing explanation of technical analysis I have ever heard.  I mean, that guy was offering to buy your book, but you gave it away for FREE?  Follow this and you are bound to get rich.
55  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
I miss the days when this thread was filled with hero members and intelligent conversation. Now it all Jr members with their "sources" "rumors" and other useless statements.

    Wow

  Such Senior

       Wow

I'm not saying anything about myself. I simply stated I miss the days when this topic didn't contain a bunch of jr. Members running their mouths about "sources" and other meaningless bullshit. I ordered my BFL single Sept 2012 at $13 a bitcoin. I've never seen $13 again. Bought coins at $30 because I was waiting for $5, I've never seen $30 again. Now we are at $900, spread FUD, "news" and sources all you want people. You're only fooling yourself if you think we are not in this for the long haul.  

So basically you are saying that every belief, news or statement that is remotely bearish is meaningless bullshit and FUD. I happen to believe we are going to the moon myself, but the fact that we have not seen $13 or $30 again isn't exactly proof that we will have never ending growth. Truth is that there are things that can fuck Bitcoin up, both short term and long term. The only thing that can fuck up your life though, is hate, so stop hating on the juniors!  Wink

The way I am hearing it is if you haven't had an account since at least bubble #2 (April) you know noting about BTC.  Did you ever think that maybe some of us have me e than one account?

Do you really think that Proudhon doesn't have like 7 different accounts, pumping his bs around here?  Smiley
56  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2014, 01:40:56 PM
Cant see what the fuss is about 31 jan in China. BTCChina published a noticed on the 8th and its all positive no mention off winding down operation anytime soon.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404921.msg4385603#msg4385603

Bobby Lee has repeatedly confirmed in interviews that as of the 31st you could no longer use 3rd party payment providers to withdraw funds
57  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2014, 01:35:53 PM
Legit.
Banks don't want to get any trouble. They need to be out of bitcoin business before jan 31.

I know it's been talked about to death but there is no way huobi has found a magic formula that BTC china hasn't.  Definitely something strange with them

And I guess I didn't read the disclaimers saying this was a guess and complete FUD.  I got to "Huobi closed" and that was it
58  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 16, 2014, 01:08:25 PM
some bad news brewing in china ,it started with that early out of the blue dump to 5000, now its dumping hard and steady.
My wild guess: Huobi corporate bank a/c removed from deposit option..This is pure FUD  until proven otherwise. Grin

Huh?  Care to elaborate?  Is this a guess or is something legit?
59  Economy / Speculation / Re: China has no plans to ban Bitcoin on: January 16, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
There are some other threads here and on reddit about this. Basically, the Official is the head of statistics (according to Bloomberg).  Some call him head of "surveys" whatever that means.  Bottom line he is not someone who dictates policy regarding the financial industry, he's merely an analyst (or head of analysts)

The particular bitcoin question was asked by a Japanese reporter at the end of a 2 hour +\- conference, and he gave a response that was not clear by any means, seemed sort of a dodging of the question to be honest. He went on and on about how bitcoin cannot be a currency etc.  He seemed to be careful with his words, not saying much either way.

Here is the reddit thread about it

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1v9ev7/an_official_statement_from_chinese_officials/

Bottom line, I think a lot of people are waiting with a lot of anticipation for what China is going to do next, hence the lack of major movement recently. Any news that comes out is analyzed a million times for any hint of what direction the market will go, and this little blurb from a relative nobody isn't telling us anything. 
60  Economy / Economics / Re: Analysis of China's change of policy and the effect on Bitcoin prices on: January 15, 2014, 11:50:45 AM
huobi users can zoom their own funds, they can borrow by 100 yuan to 200 yuan (or 1B financing 2B), financing interest is 0.2% / day as collateral, the interest income is the main income huobi, buying and selling is free . These users are keen to buy and sell bitcoins, aims to make the difference. This is such a huge trading volume huobi real reason.

Thank you for this, it is great insight into a confusing situation. 
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