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41  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How can Bitcoin fail? on: February 28, 2015, 08:59:23 AM
I don't think it will ever fail. It has a big userbase, and people are all the time creating new uses and applications for Bitcoin.
42  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin on: February 28, 2015, 08:56:59 AM
I don't get it. Its like jungle there and its just around the border from where I live. If you say president Sauli Niinistö sucks in Finland you don't get shot...
Things are a bit out of control there (no offence) with the stuff going on in Ukraine and all.
43  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom : " Let's give Bitcoin a boost " on: February 28, 2015, 08:47:25 AM
Yea ofcourse its always a good thing when some celebrity/well known person mentions Bitcoin. It get a lot more visibility.
44  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BTER.com hacked - 7170 BTC stolen [DON'T KEEP YOUR MONEY ON AN EXCHANGE] on: February 28, 2015, 08:44:16 AM
7170BTC stolen, those thieves really got a good loot Cheesy How do these things keep happening...
45  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Bitcoin/Altcoin/Crypto Stickers on: February 27, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
Prices have been cut!
46  Economy / Economics / Re: How hard would it be for Central Banks to buy 90+% of all Bitcoin now&future. on: February 27, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Right now they might be able to buy 90% of the coins that are still accessible (private keys not lost). Well, maybe not 90%, but 75% or so. But then, at some point, the price will most likely skyrocket. What happens then will be interesting, Bitcoin could either become really expensive or worthless because such a big amount is being held by a single entity!

The OP is saying that they would dump all those coins, destroying the price.  And yes, they could easily destroy the price if they had that many coins.  But they couldn't get them, and they wouldn't dump them if they did.

It doesn't matter if it's the government, or the banks, or both of them working together, because Bitcoin reduces the power of both and gives more of that power back to us.





if they want to have possession of 99.98% of bitcoins they could.


They could not.  Even if they did, they could not dump it down to $1, and they wouldn't even want to.

#1, Satoshi still has over 5% of all bitcoins, so the government cannot get more than 95% even if they got everybody else's coins.

#2, there are true believers who got in early and will never sell for any price, like the guy in The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin.  They are waiting for Bitcoin to take over the world, and then they will spend some on real goods and services.  But they will never sell for fiat, because that goes against everything they believe.  So that's another 5%, or 10%, or even more, that the government can never buy on exchanges.

#3, there are people who paid $1000 per BTC, and they're not selling right now for $230.  They're waiting for it to go back up, so they don't lose their life savings.  They will not sell to the government for $1, because they would rather keep their 20BTC instead of selling it for $20.

#4, if the price gets any lower than it is right now, there are a lot of people who will start taking out second mortgages to buy more BTC.  The government can't buy it all if other people are still buying.  So if the government did start dumping and destroying the price, people would start buying cheap and holding.  They wouldn't buy for $199 and then sell it back to the government for less.  So it would create more hoarders, and the government would have an even smaller percentage of total bitcoins available to buy.

#5, the Winklevoss Twins could end up with over $1,000,000,000 worth of bitcoins, depending on the price.  That's a billion dollars.  But they also have millions of dollars in fiat.  So, if their investment started going down the drain, the price dropped, miners stopped mining because it stopped being profitable, then the Winklevosses would spend a few million dollars to set up their own mining farms, keep the difficulty high, and protect Bitcoin.  You don't think they'd spend a million to protect a billion?

See, government officials aren't the only ones with money and power (in some countries).  That's the entire point of decentralization, and that's the reason why private money and individual freedoms are hated by totalitarians such as communists and socialists.  Money is power, so having our own money gives us power we can use to protect ourselves from governments and banks and Hitlers.  People who want to take all the money away from private citizens really just want to give all the power to a few people in the government. 

So they call rich people evil, because rich people limit the power of government.  They say it's unjust for a few hundred families to control a majority of the wealth, but they don't mention what happens when just 1 family controls all the wealth, like in North Korea.  I'll tell you what happens when you get rid of all the rich people - the government is free to murder and rape everyone, and people sacrifice their lives trying to escape and go somewhere that still has rich people.

Because it's not really about rich people, it's about personal freedom.  There can be no freedom without property rights, and that means a free system doesn't allow the government to take your money against your will, no matter if the excuse is for healthcare or saving the whales or just because you're evil for having money.  And if they can take away all the money from a rich person, then they will have no problem taking everything from you too. 

Notice that whenever someone is accused of being greedy, it's followed by a demand to take all of that person's money.  "You're greedy, I want your money so give it to me."  And it's not the government saying it, because there is no such person as "the government".  It's just a guy who has acquired the power to take people's money by force and spend it on whatever he wants.  Government leeches need us to produce the wealth so that they can take it, so they don't want to destroy Bitcoin.  They just want to control it.

And since "the government" is just some guys who want power, they like to make friends with rich non-government guys who have lots of power (assuming they don't get rid of all the rich guys).  So if the government bought up 75% of all bitcoins, they would be working with the Winklevoss twins the whole time, or big banks, and probably set up a Federal Bitcoin Bank through which they would lend Bitcoin through an off-blockchain system that would allow them to use fractional reserve banking.  That way they could own 10 million BTC and lend 100 million BTC, effectively printing as much money as they want.

That's one reason why you shouldn't keep your bitcoin in exchanges.  Be your own bank, or you are forced to trust the government and the fiat banks.

This. Also lets not forget all the lost Bitcoins and the ones which have ended to a landfill in someone old computers wallet.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2015 and WHY on: February 27, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Why is LTC sinking? I haven't really followed it so don't know any obvious reasons.

Let's see $0.50 per LTC  Cheesy

Yea my question was why? I'm aware that its low at the moment but why?

The price of litecoin is actualy unreasonabily high, there was zero reasons for it to rise to ATH it had, it was all fed on bitcoin popularity.
Noone cares about litecoin, the overall trending is basically zero, and the only reason its not abandoned is because some people think that its fall reached bottom, well theyre wrong, the bottom for litecoin is once again- a zero.

cheers

Really, no one cares? Then who is sending 50 to 100 tweets about litecoin every hour? Ok, Bitcoin gets more about 10 per minute and Doge beats it too but most altcoins don't even get upto 100 per day. It's a good way to measure interest.

Just searched for Stellar and people speaking about the stellar sunset and galaxy, not about the coin. Stellarcoin returns a few from past months. Naming a coin properly is extremely important for search, it must be unique.

Stealthcoin? A dozen tweets per month, it must be very early stage still  Cheesy

Darkcoin, 10 per hour ain't too bad but Litecoin is 10 times more popular or matured if you go by these numbers.

Yea saying Litecoin is one of the oldest (?) altcoins there is I have some faith in its survival.
48  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Bitcoin/Altcoin/Crypto Stickers on: February 26, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
Added url to my eBay account. I also sell some of the stickers there ; )
49  Economy / Goods / [WTS] Bitcoin/Altcoin/Crypto Stickers on: February 25, 2015, 08:14:37 PM
Hello everyone and thank you for hopping in to my new Bitcoin Stickers sales thread!

I have recently started "designing" and printing my own Bitcoin and Altcoin related stickers. If you don't find a sticker suitable for you/your needs please send me a private message and I can custom make you a design.
I will try to add new designs every now and then starting with Bitcoin related stuff and expanding little by little to other coins/the cryptocurrency world. All the stickers are cut to shape (if possible) and don't have extra white paper in the edges.

I will ship the items in an envelope (unless the buyer wants some other form which will cost more) so I'm really sorry but tracking wont be available for this form of shipping. There will be flat cost of 1$ for shipping for orders less than 10$. They will be shipped in 1st class/priority mail for quicker delivery.
Currently I only accept Bitcoins and PayPal as payment method (Bitcoin preferred).
Orders can be made via post/PM. Please do not post your personal shipping address to this thread but PM it to me.
In case of scammers I will add my BTC Wallet address here: 1GMBE7KadSJ7g7PmKSyVD8WLmsrZH4re17


Bitcoin logo (Orange):
Diameter: 8,8cm  0.25$/sticker
Diameter: 5,8cm  0.1$/sticker
http://i.gyazo.com/c320c6d135ce6bfe57a7c3449e20423c.png


Bitcoin Accepted here:
Size: 28,8x11cm  0.5$/sticker
Size: 18x6,8cm    0.3$/sticker
Size: 13x4,9cm    0.2$/sticker
http://i.gyazo.com/3f7817c40dc212f78aaaf8113c77d13f.png


Screw the banks: (Note: Smaller sizes have better quality)
Size: 6,8x7,9cm   0.4$/sticker
Size: 4,5x5,4cm   0.2$/sticker
Size: 1,9x2,2cm   0.1$/sticker
http://i.gyazo.com/3cf68ab205ff6950ff915cf7d1053770.png

More to come soon..!

If I forgot something from the thread or you have a rant, please send me a PM about it to keep the thread clean : )

Thank you,
Bitcoin4Eva

Edit1: I have also added some of the stickers to eBay (at slightly higher prices) if you want to buy via there:
http://www.ebay.com/usr/uggonen
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2015 and WHY on: February 24, 2015, 09:04:00 PM
Allright that pretty much answers my question : ) Thank you both of you for answering!
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2015 and WHY on: February 24, 2015, 03:14:45 PM
Why is LTC sinking? I haven't really followed it so don't know any obvious reasons.

Let's see $0.50 per LTC  Cheesy

Yea my question was why? I'm aware that its low at the moment but why?
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2015 and WHY on: February 24, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Why is LTC sinking? I haven't really followed it so don't know any obvious reasons.
53  Economy / Services / Re: AskCoin.net - SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN on: February 24, 2015, 08:27:11 AM
Payments sent.. but not to all participants:

@MarkMJ - enrolled for next week - we talked in PM.

@SimkoMiner - not enough posts.

@bitcoin4eva - not even one post in Alt section. Please read carefully campaign conditions. We can pay you 0.0125BTC - is it ok for you?


Everyone is automatically enrolled for next week.

Please, pay attention on the quality of posts.

If someone has not paste his own referral link in signature, feel free to do it.


Thank you very much guys for this week!

Updated: [google spreadsheet]



Oh shoot, it was completely my fault. I thought I could post anywhere. I'll better my actions for next week Smiley And yes, it is okay.
54  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Bitmain Antminer S1 x4 - Canada - 15$ each - on: February 23, 2015, 09:46:09 PM
Would you possibly ship them to Finland? And what would it cost/unit?
55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ISIS to create own coin. How can we convince to use Bitcoin? on: February 22, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
The coin would collapse in seconds since everyone hates ISIS and it would get destroyed by speculation hackers etc.

I agree with you. It would most likely not be used by anyone else than them
56  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.25/GH & 0.51W/GH on: February 22, 2015, 06:44:42 PM
How loud is this compared to S3?
57  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: cex.io is Reliable ? on: February 22, 2015, 06:34:32 PM
I can't believe how many absolutely idiotic stupid morons are out there who keep believing in these mining shares. For starters, the math proves that you will never get your investment paid back, let alone any interest on that investment. Second of all, all of these operations would be stupid to actually mine bitcoin since it is so troublesome. They can make money by just taking your money and slowly giving you back little by little but never giving it all back. Why would they run a gigantic bitcoin farm when they can simply run a single server and not have any headaches? Also have any of these cloud mining companies actually shown any evidence that they actually mine bitcoin? I don't think so. All you ever hear from them is "trust us, we do!" What a load of BS. Some of these operations, if they truly mine bitcoin, would have gigantic mining farms, so why can't they give us any shred of evidence that it exists? There is not even any circumstantial evidence of their existence for most of the cloud mining companies.

Lastly, even if these companies were completely honorable and actually mining like they claim to, how freaking stupid do you have to be to buy into something that you will never profit from? The only people who make any sort of profit from cloud mining are the cloud mining companies running the ponzi scheme and some people who trade fake mining contracts with gullible fools.

Yea you're completely right. If you buy the GH/s, you'll never get ROI. Im using Ghash.io for mining on my own hardware.
58  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: cex.io is Reliable ? on: February 22, 2015, 01:21:40 PM


please take photo how to buy GHS..

Why do you talk like Yoda? English learn you must Cheesy

But on topic: Cex.io is reliable.
59  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Starting new Bitcoin website looking for advice on: February 22, 2015, 01:20:03 PM
My advice? Make sure you have enough at the start for ~6 months of hosting.

Don't expect it to be self-sustaining anytime close to the start.

This. Although hosting doesn't cost much. For example www.hosting24.com starting from 4,84$/month
60  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Starting new Bitcoin website looking for advice on: February 22, 2015, 09:29:38 AM
Thanks. Yeah I was thinking about starting with some guides then having tools/charts to bring people back Wink
maybe getting a community like a forum is best for this?
Yea that sounds good, remember to separate everything with tabs or something so the guides etc. you post first wont get lost under the newer posts.
Forum is good if you can get people to join it. I've owned a few forums previously and I can tell it's hard to get new members. You need to have a niche of some kind.
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