why do i need to prove that i am me? i have done nothing wrong.. on the loan threads where i asked about a loan i offered to provide screenshots or anything the lender wanted to see, again hardly characteristics of a scammer. if i were trying to scam id have some dodgy photoshopped screenshot of like 1 thing and only mention providing a screenshot of whatever that was.. by saying i can provide whatever they want it means they can choose and i dont know what they will choose so if i was a scammer i would have to either be super quick or id have had to steal multiple accounts from a single person all across the net.

you could simply change your password after receiving the loan though..

how much GHS are you looking for? i havent got much at the minute but i may be willing to loan you some or something.

it probably wouldnt if you had an obscure usename however mine are my initials and are used on various other sites and forums either exactly as it is here or with a car model suffix after them so negative comments and such here can potentially follow me around the net. this is also another reason why i wouldnt be scamming people..

anyway this whole thing was about paypal and paypal is shit for BTC related purchases as no one will trust it. i was only looking originally to hopefully buy a little BTC but as anyone whos been here more than like a week knows, no one in their right mind is going to deal with paypal. initially i did not know the paypal scamming was as bad as it seems to be judging by what people have been saying about it. once i realised i havent a hope in hell of buying BTC that way i then looked for a loan to do me until my virwox limit was lifted (approx 2 days time from now) as i have been using virwox to buy BTC for a week while i await a pin code from my bank to allow me to activate my phone as an authentication method for adding payees to my online banking so i can buy BTC from markets like bittylicious which probably would also get me more BTC for my money as virwox charge lots of fees on transactions as does paypal so say 50gbp going into virwox from paypal would come out in BTC equivalent of maybe 46-48gbp whereas if i buy on a market its safe and there are no middle men like paypal and virwox to tap you for fees on all the transactions between putting paypal money in and getting BTC out the other end.

i also just learned what escrow is and how it works, seems like a worthwhile thing to get onboard with as if a trusted middle man is holding both parties stuff then neither party can scam the other which would make life soooo much easier.

how do you get scammed on escrow then? i havent even looked to see how it works yet just with people mentioning it alot on here it appears to be somewhat safe?

you misunderstand me about the pin.. im not waiting on the pin from bittylicious.. im waiting on a pin from my bank to arrive in the post so i can activate my mobile phone for a verification method when i add a new payee account in my online banking. once i get that i can start using bittylicious. i have even got the seller form about 2/3 completed as i intend to buy/sell there but need to get the payee thing sorted on my online banking to make an initial buy of BTC to fulfil part of the seller account setup.

EDIT: ok i see what escrow is now, i just googled it. basically both give to 3rd party and 3rd party handles the exchange. no wonder so many use escrow, sounds like a good idea. is there a list of safe/trusted escrow agents for BTC related stuff?

EDIT again: is there not like a main big escrow service/agent? i would have thought escrow would be like paypal in terms of escrow being the businesses name so when someone says via escrow it would be like saying via paypal if you know what i mean.. just looking on google and it seems there are countless escrow services so im not sure which one would be right for BTC as well as anything else i would potentially want to use an escrow service for? what are the popular main agents? i see sedo offer an escrow service, though they also charge like 60 comission if you sell a domain name through their market place which is retarded..

i never said i would have any luck, however, where in the TOS upon registration did it say that all new members are guilty and to be ridiculed and labelled scammers until proven innocent? surely you wait until someone has actually done something wrong before branding them a thief?

and no, one single bad rep isnt the end of the world to him but for a newbie that basically means not a single person will trade with you and even then if you do get some people to trade with you it will take months/years to become borderline trustworthy in peoples eyes and even after that there will still be a lovely little negative there claiming your a scammer. im not even looking to buy or get a loan of BTC anymore because its been a couple days already and my virwox account will have its limits lifted by the weekend so i can just wait.. my reason for wanting to either buy or get a loan of BTC was so i could carry on buying GHS on cex.io until my virwox limit was lifted as i was using virwox as a crutch to get me by until i have my bank account set up so i can buy from a market such as bittylicious and in just about every thread or reply of mine regarding potentially buying BTC or getting a loan of BTC i have stated this. regarding loans i have offered/been willing to give collateral of some form as well, hardly tactics of a scammer..

and big whoop someone stole 50 million.. if the people lending/selling to him werent complete idiots that wouldnt have happened. im a newbie but do you see me getting scammed? no because im not stupid and i can see how many other newbies are either being scammed or are scamming people themselves. by all means label scammers as scammers, ill even help but you cant say someone is a scammer because they havent scammed anyone but you think they are going to. thats like putting someone in jail because they might go out and murder someone next week.. you cant do that shit..

why i dont register a new account is because:

A - this is a username i use elsewhere so negative rep here may have knock on effects elsewhere when people google me if this is not rectified
B - if i did create another account that would make me look like a scammer if anyone found out

hardly.. he is a douche for what he has done.

depends how you play it  

though with paypal starting to ban anyone making purchases associated with bitcoins it may just go that way. if/when things are at that point i may pull out of cex.io and look for ways to make more BTC elsewhere.

served him right for being a douche..

im already on bittylicious.. the only hold up is waiting for the pin for activating my phone so i can set up payments to bittylicious. paypal to bank and then bank to buy BTC is the plan.

so escrow is not safe either? what are the pitfalls of escrow deals here?

yes i know that it can be dredged up from forum server/backups or whatever but all comments were directly because of his actions. also claiming someone is basically a thief is a bit worse than a few fat jokes..

im not wanting to argue with you or other members as that would only serve to further damage a reputation i was previously trying to build. put yourself in my shoes.. your new here and someone decides to say you will scam people with no factual evidence, not even anything suggesting you might scam someone.. they just blatantly say you are going to scam people and you are a scammer. would you sit there and take it?

i had thought about simply not using this account and making a new one to start from scratch but then if anyone found out then i would automatically be labelled a scammer so i must either:

A - get the problem rectified
B - resign myself to probably never being able to trade here
C - leave and find another similar forum though his rep could follow me unless i use a different name

i dont see why i should have to go running away with my tail between my legs when i have done nothing wrong apart from some name calling which i openly admitted was stupid of me after the fact.

i said nothing about airtight, however, under UK and US law and probably most other countries as well you can be prosecuted for defamation (lidel particularly online). my grounds are as mentioned here plus that my username is the same on many other sites/forums so anyone searching my name will then find bad information about me when previously there was none which could have knock on impacts on me and my business elsewhere. and BTW my ex gf of 5 years had a law degree so i have some idea of what im talking about regarding UK law at the very least nevermind already having a solicitor and barrister representing myself and my current gf against the western health and social care trust so i can easily get advice from them as well.

@KWH, fair enough but where is the evidence of any name calling? i have every interaction with Vod saved so if he removes or edits anything to try and cover his ass i have the originals.

i cant be prosecuted for name calling..

im not crying, im simply requesting that unfair defamatory feedback that will harm my potential to trade here be removed as i am willing to take it further if necessary. and like i said i will cease and decist once my rep is back in its previous standings so if its wearing you thin then i suggest convincing Vod to remove his accusation from my trust profile or simply dont read this thread or any posts relating to Vod being an ass.

i dont really care if you want to trade with me or not.. its your loss.

yea i know.. even in the short time i have been here its clear to see paypal is a massive problem. my issue is/was i have only started messing with bitcoins about 8 days ago and how i have got what i have so far was by buying bitcoins through virwox with paypal because i sell some stuff on ebay so its handy for me to buy things with paypal online. im already on the ball about setting things up so i can buy BTC from markets via my bank account. im also going to look into escrow as i have never used it but from people talking about it here it seems like its safe for no scams, also escrow can be accepted on ebay so i can add that as a payment method to my listings as well.

i think it was like 1 day after i posted a WTB thread that 3 magical "selling XXX BTC for paypal" threads from other newbies coincidentally happened to pop up, funny when i mentioned "you send first" there were no replies after that, not even a simple "no, sorry".

in the week i have been playing with bitcoins i can already see the sheer amount of scammers trying to trick or hack their way to someone elses BTC. on here its scammers trying to trick people into lending, selling, buying. on cex.io chatbox its malicious links in the chat.. i dont expect anyone to blindly trust me as a newbie when so many other newbies are trying to scam.. what i do expect is not to get negative rep or to be followed and defamed for things i have not even done. by all means people can label me a scammer if i actually scam someone but until then speculate about it on the forum and wait and see. the only transaction i have done thus far was good and no scamming.. though seeing how bad paypal is for scamming im amazed foysal was willing to give me benefit of the doubt, saying that though i did pay him before he sent BTC so i took a bit of a leap of faith there also.

is english your native language? if not i can word things better so you can understand me.

i was willing to give collateral though i only had 1.4LTC, the only other thing i could think of that i could maybe use as collateral would be some of my domain names as once i transfer a domain there is no comeback unless the other person sends it back. it doesnt matter now anyway because my virwox account will have its limits raised in 1-2 days so i can just wait for that.

at first i was looking to buy BTC and pay via PP but no luck as its an easy scam so no one will accept it, least of all from a newbie. i then set about ooking for a loan instead as i only need/needed BTC to cover me until my virwox account reaches the next user level and my deposit limit goes up, which, i think from now is like 1-2 days away.. i need to check that actually. so was basically looking for a loan after failing to find someone to sell me BTC to cover me until my virwox limit is lifted which should in turn cover me until i get the activation code my bank sent out via post so i can activate my mobile phone with my online banking so i can add payees and but BTC easily/with no hassle from any of the larger businesses/trustworthy website that sell BTC. at this point im so close to my virwox account limit lifting i dont even care about buying BTC or getting loan anymore as i have missed the initial price crash on roll out of new TOS at cex.io and prices have been since so i think they should still be sufficiently low in a day or twos time when i can use virwox again.

and i cant contact him directly because he blocked me from PMing him so i have had to air the dirty laundry in public. following the public airing (here) mods inform me they supposedly have no control over the trust system, which, if true leave them and the site operators vulnerable to legal action due to them not taking action to rectify the situation once notified.

i honestly dont want to go on a whole legal crusade here but i have a severe will to fight things purely for the sake of the principle alone so as such until i am back in fair standings i will be completely willing to take legal actions against Vod and the site operators for allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it. if they cant actually remove the rep themselves they can certainly threaten to ban him if he does not remove it himself. im sure thats a much easier option than having to potentially face legal action. its also a massive design flaw in the trust system and forum if mods cant edit/amend trust feedback in instances like this.

Vod, as i cannot PM you due to you blocking my PM's i am forced to post this here to ensure you are made aware of my intentions. i will be pursuing legal action against you and potentially the forum operators should you not get your ego in check and remove your dafamatory negative rep you gave me with no evidence.. you can speculate on whether someone is goign to do something on the forum but you cannot give me bad rep because you speculate i will do something that i have not done.

i suggest you remove your bad rep, delete your defamatory comments about me in the 3 threads mentioned and refrain from doing it again in future unless i actually scam someone.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449450.0

have a nice day

@lobster, i will delete my replies in order to help to de-clutter your loan thread once Vod has removed his defamatory bad rep he gave me. your choice to loan or not to loan to me is your decision which i have no qualms with.

Vod, as i cannot PM you due to you blocking my PM's i am forced to post this here to ensure you are made aware of my intentions. i will be pursuing legal action against you and potentially the forum operators should you not get your ego in check and remove your dafamatory negative rep you gave me with no evidence.. you can speculate on whether someone is goign to do something on the forum but you cannot give me bad rep because you speculate i will do something that i have not done.

i suggest you remove your bad rep, delete your defamatory comments about me in the 3 threads mentioned and refrain from doing it again in future unless i actually scam someone.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449450.0

have a nice day

@IBB, sorry for cluttering your lending thread, feel free to delete the comments from myself and subsequent comments from other users following my loan request as i already have copies of the comments saved.

and to forum admin/owners/forum members (Vod) not in the UK.


there it is in black and white in US law as well. ignoring this thread will not save you, you must act now and rectify this as i already have proof of forum admin/owners/mods being made aware of the defamatory actions from user Vod.

i have now PMed this to theymos as moderators have taken no action. should my account be mysteriously banned i will look into legal action regarding that as well because the chain of events would then be: defamatory comments from other user, moderators/admin made aware, nothing done, i am banned as an attempt at an easy out which is all wrong. i dont want to make life difficult for people here i just want what is fair and to be left to use the forum like any other member without having false accusations and defamatory comments directed at me. i dont mind people stating i may be a scammer in threads purely because i am a newbie, i think that is perfectly fair given the amount of scammers and the fact that i have next to no positive feedback yet. where i draw the line is when someone follows me into other threads making defamatory comments and accusations as well as leaving me bad rep with no factual evidence which then harms my reputation and prevents me from being able to trade with other members.

i am saving revised/duplicate copies of this thread as and when i make additional replies/comments. i am also now saving all PM's made to forum moderators and administrators to further prove my effort to make contact and have the situation rectified prior to seeking legal advice if necessary. you guys need to fix this ASAP. i dont know how many of his accusations against other newbies are true or not but im sure if any of them are still using the forum they will chime in when made aware of this thread and my potential legal action so you may have a snowball on your hands if you dont sort it out and put a muzzle on Vod.

proof i am not fucking about here:

it would appear that under UK law i have a case for libel here against Vod which may also include the forum operator/s. i will look up/enquire about laws internationally as well, however, under UK law and as i am already knee deep in another court case against a major government organisation (the western health and social care trust) at present which is progressing its way up to the high court and if needs be the european court of human rights i can simply inquire about a libel case against Vod/the forum operators at my next solicitors appointment and will do so unless the defamatory accusations against me are removed. im sure a little libel case will be a walk in the park compared to challenging a governmental organisation of malpractice, incompetence, discrimination and a host of other things.




all of the four meanings of defamation above apply to me here, furthermore:




regarding my momentary acts of written abuse to Vod (which i have since removed):




furthermore by some of his accusations in the 3 threads in the original post above i may have grounds for both true and false innuendo against him:




i also have grounds to for him for publication, also publication covers the forum operators due to connection by allowing this to happen:




furthermore with regards to the forum operators not handling this:





this thread is my notification of this defamatory comment from Vod so from here forth the forum operators are also held rpartly responsible if nothing is done now. mods/admin/vod himself need to sort this out NOW as i am not playing around here. all i want is to be left alone and allowed use the forum without being dafamed/slandered and to be able to gain or lose trust through any transactions i partake in on the forum which is completely fair.. if i scam someone then by all means shout it from the rooftops but as i have not and as the only rep i have had thus far is positive there are no grounds for his accusations against me.

EDIT: furthermore, i have saved a copy of all of Vods comments to me in threads as well as the negative rep. i have also saved a copy of this thread should forum operators decide to magicaly make it disappear.

THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO REMOVE VODS DEFAMATORY MISINFORMATION AND ENSURE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.