Nice pool! and a 5% bonus

I presume that is your anonymous 500MH/s that just appeared ;-)

@Digibyte ... are you joining the party, and where are you pointing your hash?

Thanks thrassos ... is that your pool in the signature?

I have a version of the old wallet running on an old laptop ... this gives the current network hashrate accurately.

Current Network Hash Rate: 1055 MH/s

Lets get it up to 2000 ... starting in 15 mins?

That is good for me, I will start adding hash shortly after 6pm UTC

This sounds as if it is just the slow block issue ... ie because a block has not been found for 4+ hours the wallet shows out of sync (even though it is up to date) because it has taken so long. If you hover over the information and look at the latest block received and it matches the last one shown in a block explorer all should be good.

I imagine this will not be a problem once we get to block 145,000 and we hopefully return to a block a minute average.

@Digibyte

Thanks, that makes much more sense now.

Bit of a long shot, but I will drop josh a line and see if he is feeling generous ... failing that I think we should go with a coordinated push, do you have an idea for a start time/date so everyone can get involved?

@Digibyte

An idea ...

If I have your permission I can ask Josh (CEO) of gawminers if he will donate the hash power to push us past 145,000.

He has been really supportive of the Altcoin community and I dread to think what scrypt hash power they now control, but it must run into THs. They sold Millions of $ of cloud scrypt power in the last week or so, and still have a large surplus under there control.

Presuming I make a case do we know what we require ... before the latest difficulty spike I calculated that 10GH/s for 1.5 days should do ... any idea if that is in the right area???

@Digibyte

Thanks for the response, much appreciated.

I admit I don't have all the answers but if it is the new protocol that is causing the problem then it is a concern that it will rear its head after the wallet passes block 145,000. The explanation you gave is plausible, but NOT the whole story and it doesn't explain what I have been observing, examples:

A. Block 142,272 - 142,273 took over 5 hours to find the block at a difficulty of 1022 ... by your reckoning Digishield would then reduce the difficulty far to much ... but it actually increased to 1300+

B. Whilst pointing several GHs of hash at the network I was finding several groups of consecutive blocks, looking at these I often found two or more blocks in quick succession (seconds apart) but rather than increasing the difficulty as you suggest it actually reduced it for the next blocks.

C. It is true the difficulty is oscillating, but it is also oscillating at far too high a range. It never reduces the difficulty to a point where you would find a block on average every minute (ie the correct difficulty) ... any idea why it fails to retarget to the correct level? Even when there has been very little hash pointing at the network it still oscillates roughly in the range 200-400.

D. By increasing the network hash rate x6 I thought the difficulty may have gone up ... but it actually stayed the same and still oscillated in that same range.

Do you have any idea why the hashrate has jumped to record levels over the last two blocks? I just want to make sure we don't replicate that and get it permanently stuck at an even higher difficulty.

Interesting there are no problems with other coins using Digishield, Doge you might expect as it maintains a consistent very high hashrate ... but I would have thought some other coins may have had similar problems by now. Could it be unique to Digibyte and a stray line of code that is not included in other coins?

Anyway, hopefully this will all be resolved and we can cruise to block 145k in no time.

Happy to help with the hash power if you set a daily target. Is there somewhere we can check the Digibyte Network hashrate? Most of the original sources seem to have 'broken' since the wallet update.

This could be a problem ...

I pulled all my hash from the network around block 142,410 ... it then ran ok for the next 12+ hours until block 142,473 where the difficulty has now suddenly jumped to 1,000+ the highest digibyte has ever seen... could be stuck on this block for a long time.

I could probably clear it, but am getting a bit bored throwing away my own money to push the blockchain along ... especially as the Devs have not come forward and explained the cause of the problem. Happy to support them if they come up with a solution and need hashing power, but until then I have retreated to the side lines.

Also, does anyone know of a way to monitor the DGB network hashrate? All the usual sources no longer work since the introduction of the new wallet.

@Digibyte

Slow block problems

I think this needs to be sorted a.s.a.p.

At current rates block 145,000 will not kick in until late October, anyone transferring funds has to wait hours for the confirmations. Any new interest in the coin quickly diminishes when it becomes apparent the mining reward is next to zero and you have to wait hours for a block even in a pool.

The multialgo v 3.0.1 has generated a lot of interest, but this is diminishing and by the time we reach block 145,000 in October a lot of these people might have already forgotten about DGB.

The slow confirmations are also making it difficult for traders and speculators with the long waits to move funds in and out of exchanges. A combination of this, the reduction in interest and the slow rate of production has lead to the low trade volumes we are seeing.

Solving the problem

For the last week I have tried throwing a few 100 MH/s at the network in a variety of ways, building up and down slowly, short bursts, longer sustained periods etc. etc. The difficulty adjustments during this period made little sense, often decreasing as my hash increased or increasing as I reduced my hash rate. Also the increase in block production was also marginal. Can you post (or PM me) the cause of this problem? Do you know what caused it?

I think the problem is intrinsic to DIGIshield, originally I thought you may have coded a failsafe that prevented drastic reductions in difficulty which was why it was stuck oscillating at the higher difficulty ... I meant to go through your code line by line this weekend but never found the time. My main concern is that if there is an issue it is not carried over to V3.0.1.

Today I directed 5,000 MH/s at the network, which reduced the block times to c. 2 mins, but tailing off the hashrate did not reduce the difficulty... however based on this I imagine something in the region of 10 GH/s (10,000MH/s) would produce a 1 minute block time and if maintained would see us to block 145,000 in about a day and a half.

I think this is achievable through a collaborative effort, happy to direct my hash and rent a load extra if other people will help maintain the hashrate for a day and a half.

Current rental rates are roughly 0.4 BTC/GH/Day (also the amount you can earn if you didn't redirect your hash) ... so 10 GH for 1.5 days = 6 BTC... however if that returns the block rate to a block a minute, given a DGB value of 40 satoshis and a block size of 7,500 DGB ... the group should earn approx. 6.5 BTC in digibyte (A bargain if you believe in Digibyte!)

I would suggest organising a coordinated approach for Fri/Sat this week with the aim of hitting block 145,000 sometime on Sunday.

Anyone interested?

Happy to help, if you are going to start increasing the hash this weekend let me know and I will throw a couple of hundred MH/s at it. just let me know when you want it. I am sure other people would be willing to do the same.

Can you explain the problem though ... it still looks like digishield is increasing the difficulty to maintain a production rate of 1 block/30 minutes (48 blocks/day). How did this happen?

Normally when other scrypt coins have become stuck (typically by a multipool jumping in and out with a large hashrate) you can restart it by throwing a large amount of hash at it which then slowly brings the difficulty down after each block is found until you reach a rate of 1 block a minute again ... but with Digibyte the difficulty seems to increase, just wondered if you know why.

Hi,

Just wondering what it will take to shift the blockchain along to block 145,000.

I threw 100's of MH/s at it tonight for a few hours and it barely made a dent (Got one block in 4 hours) ... in fact the difficulty seemed to rise to keep the blocks averaging every 30 mins.

If this is the case does that mean we would need to throw 10's of GH/s at it to get to block 145,000 in under a month??

Is there also a description of what caused this? (I looked in the thread but can't find a good explanation)

Thanks

NZ

DGB stuck on block 140034?

(3 hours since last block)

It is actually worse than it seems, it is not a copy of Mintpal ... but a copy of a site that copied mintpal.

If you look at the html/scrypt there are references to 'ecointrader' in there... which lead me to this ...

https://www.ecoinstrader.com/index.php

The Coinpal site is a carbon copy with a new logo.

I would suggest that you could have bought this off the developer and set it up with a new logo in 24 hours and at max cost of 5 BTC ... which begs the question what has been done over the last few months and where was the rest of the 150 BTC spent?

"...an active team edits the crap out of their ANN Thread on a regular basis so information is not outdated for those who are researching the coin. People who currently research Mintcoin as a possible investment are going to find tons of dead links and a dead website. What’s the chance they’ll want to push their BTC into Mintcoin in that condition?"

If you want to make the most of this and attract 'new casinocoiners', I think you need to advertise this elsewhere and not just on this thread, maybe post it on some of the other crypto forums? A couple of gambling/poker forums?

Not as is ... but with a takeover who knows, 20+ should be achievable.

I agree, that is the holy grail and should be the end goal. It will take time though and require many modifications along the way, but if it is open source or distributed to the right people an achievable goal.

Also agree that Danfred should be involved, he has offered his services to the current Devs and had no response but from what he has posted on here I think he would be a valuable member of the new Dev team.

You are right in that we could go for a complete takeover, but it could get messy without the current Devs releasing the website etc. You could end up with several people on different forks, not to mention we can't even edit the original post in this thread. Guess it would come down to a group consensus. Complete takeover or name change fork?

FLAPPY COIN HOSTILE TAKEOVER

Well maybe not so hostile given the current Devs are currently AWOL and the coin has hit rock bottom... also it would not technically be a takeover but a hard fork (There is currently a team looking to do just this with Litecoin). This has been proposed a few times in this thread, but I think it might be worth doing. Details below:

How would it work?

Technically it is not that difficult, the real hurdle is in the implementation and adoption. As the scrypt is all open source a new wallet can be created and a block number set to hard fork the coin. As of that block all users would be required to update their wallet and mine on the new fork.

New Dev/Team

These members would have to be agreed, and not just to cover technical side but anyone with enthusiasm and time to spare. It would also present an opportunity to change any details of the coin we wanted, block reward, difficulty retarget (adopt digishield?), scrpt algorithm (X11?), total number of coins etc. etc. Any ideas/innovations could also be built into the wallet or planned for a later update.

It may also be worth contacting the other set of Devs who were going to release a Flappy Coin until this one jumped the gun, they still hold a lot of the flappy website addresses and given the circumstances would probably be happy to help.

In order to avoid confusion it might also be worth changing the name slightly so people can be sure which fork they are on, (FLAPZ?)

Pool Operators and Exchanges

We would need the cooperation of pool operators to either agree to replace their flappy wallet with the our new version and advertise the mandatory update, or alternatively they could run both a FLAPZ and FLAP pool in unison. I don't see it being a problem getting at least a few pools running in time for the fork. As for exchanges, again probably not an issue getting listed on the B-list ones early on, but like any other coin it needs community support, liquidity and value to get listed on the larger exchanges ... which can come with time.

Personal Wallets

After updating your wallet you will inherit all your existing FLAPs you mined/purchased prior to the fork, which would now be FLAPZ. After this point only mining/transfers between the new wallets would be recognised by the new fork and it would not be possible to transfer coins between FLAP and FLAPZ chains.

It is also possible to keep both wallets in the short term, so if you had 1 Million FLAPs before the fork, you would still have 1 million FLAPs after the fork + 1 Million FLAPZ in the new wallet on the new fork.

Adding value and direction

This is not worth doing if the end result is just a clone of flappy coin. The coin needs ideas and innovations, many which have been suggested in this thread, agreeing these and a direction is a must. 

Currently FLAPs price is about as low as it could be and the mining difficulty is really low. So everyone would have the chance to mine and buy coins before the fork, which should help with an even distribution. After the fork there will also be over 50% of coins left to be mined so scope there to.

Way forward ...

STEP 1: This idea needs support so copy this and add your comments in this thread
STEP 2: Agree on the Devs and Team leaders
STEP 3: Modify the code, create the wallet and set a block number for the fork
STEP 4: Ensure pools are available and new website etc.
STEP 5: Count down the blocks and see what happens ...

So will you make a fortune off this, maybe not, but as a Flappy holder you have nothing to lose and if nothing else it would prove an interesting experiment in this ever evolving cryptocurrency landscape.

Excellent work!