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41  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! [Fixed... kinda] on: June 20, 2011, 10:44:24 PM
The fees are voluntary. Clients can offer no fee, but miners aren't likely to pick up a transaction for inclusion in the network without sufficient fee. You can avoid fees by using old transactions as funding or by using large bitcoin amounts, preferably both. These go toward transaction priority. If your priority is high enough, most miners will accept your transaction without a fee.

If you want to pay no fees, just recompile the client with MIN_TX_FEE and MIN_RELAY_TX_FEE set to 0. But if your transactions aren't accepted, don't say we didn't warn you.

Did exactly that, thanks.  It takes maybe up to an hour for the first confirmation, usually less, not too big a deal.  I have done many test runs and they all seem to go through fine Cheesy

Question: Later, when there are more transactions and more complicated transactions with parts of blocks etc., and miners are working mostly for transaction fees instead of block awards, what happens when I send a no-fee transaction and it's not accepted by anyone?  Do those coins just disappear?  Are they lost in limbo forever?  Will they someday eventually get picked up in a new block?  Can the recipient pay a fee to get the transaction confirmed if he gets tired of waiting?

I would like to see finer control over our transactions, kinda like when you pay for different shipping methods while shopping online: there would be a list of fast, medium, slow transaction speeds (with ETAs) and an approximate transaction cost for each.  I understand that it is impossible to predict transaction costs since a given payment may incorporate many different blocks, but I think it would make people feel better if the client digested the various formulae for calculating transaction fees and their results for them.
42  Economy / Marketplace / Re: FREE bitcoins from payb.tc - ROUND 2! on: June 20, 2011, 10:22:55 PM
Hehe, this is pretty cool  Grin

http://payb.tc/vulgata
43  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! [Fixed] on: June 20, 2011, 02:34:13 PM
Soo, actually it only fixes the behavior on the Windows GUI client (0.3.20.2), not bitcoind on Linux...

Example using bitcoind 0.3.20.2 on Linux:

http://blockexplorer.com/tx/9ac78be5fc3cf8dabc1c50da0331f0bb42739a30ea02fe95c889b0d2ba9bfe0c

0.00293667/0.1 = 2.9%!!!  Embarrassed

Better than the 5% on .01 from before but still pretty bad...  How do I get this magical "alternative client" that doesn't charge transaction fees everyone keeps referring to?!
44  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees for transfering BITCOINS -- WTF on: June 19, 2011, 09:21:21 PM
You're taking it personally against other people because you can't understand the concept behind a 0.65% fee? Dumb.

Eh, it can be as high as 5% or more.

OP, I just figured out how to get around this on my thread: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=19066.0
45  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! on: June 19, 2011, 03:59:46 PM
The day I upgrade from 0.3.20 will be the day we stop seeing threads like this... never?


Thanks! This solved my problem perfectly Grin

I wonder why they changed this behavior?
46  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! on: June 18, 2011, 11:15:38 PM
The day I upgrade from 0.3.20 will be the day we stop seeing threads like this... never?


OP here: I am using 0.3.23.  Does this affect anything?

Can someone answer my other questions?

was I wrong in thinking that the original client allows you to choose 0 transaction fee?  What is the point of setting paytxfee=0.00?

how many confirmations do I need before I don't have to pay a transaction fee on a coin?
47  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! on: June 18, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
I guess another way of asking the question is, how many confirmations do I need before I don't have to pay a transaction fee on a coin?
48  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: worth it to build a mining rig now?? on: June 18, 2011, 08:35:43 PM
For anyone thinking about this question (like myself and OP) please read this first: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18803.0
49  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Safest file encryption? on: June 18, 2011, 07:34:11 PM
Bump  Cheesy

What is everyone else using to safeguard their wallets?
50  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! on: June 18, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
No. Bitcoin transaction are final.
But if you had waited longer you would have been able to do the transaction without fees.

What do you mean by waiting longer?  Like waiting from the time I got it to when I sent it?  I already waited 18 hours...

http://blockexplorer.com/address/14uGQh9g5LsLRwjzwuaJaGem3ukjfkehJf
51  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transaction fees?! on: June 18, 2011, 06:59:48 PM
Just wait a while after receiving those coins. "Fresh" transactions are considered "unsafe" and thus command a premium.

For me personally the transaction fee is waived after about an hour. This is just my personal experience. The "time to be trusted" is dependent on several factors, namely your internet connectivity, the current global hashrate, and the hash rates of nodes closely connected to you.

So does this mean I will get my .0005 back after everything is confirmed (however long that takes)?

If you're upset with the transaction fees you can always roll your own client and pay 0 but you will see a noticeable delay in your transaction being included in a solved block.

Will

I just think 5% is a little much... and was I wrong in thinking that the original client allows you to choose 0 transaction fee?  What is the point of setting paytxfee=0.00?
52  Other / Beginners & Help / Safest file encryption? on: June 18, 2011, 06:54:35 PM
I am currently using the default gpg -c encryption on my wallet.dat and shred on the plaintext file, but I was wondering if I should be using Truecrypt instead and what the benefits would be.  Also, is the default CAST5 (CAST 128) OK, or should I be using AES 256?  Is shred -u -z -n 1000 enough for my RAID 5?
53  Other / Beginners & Help / Transaction fees?! [Fixed] on: June 18, 2011, 06:24:44 PM
So I just got started with Bitcoins the other day, and after mining for a bit with my ancient Nvidia card I tried moving around a little bit of money to see how it all worked.  I am using bitcoind on Linux, and have my bitcoin.conf set to paytxfee=0.00, but when I moved 0.01 BTC I was charged a 0.0005 BTC transaction fee! That's 5%!  Can some explain this to me and/or how to avoid this?  It was my understanding that we could choose to pay no fee if desired and wait longer for confirmation.

Edit: Here is the record http://blockexplorer.com/tx/79783b30743aa95de351c3c43e41feae74f0fa7e196a3cab069ab58aa4e51d74

Edit 2: Downgrading to 0.3.20 fixes the problem.

Link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.20/

Please donate if I saved you some ฿ in transaction fees!

14uGQh9g5LsLRwjzwuaJaGem3ukjfkehJf
54  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Want 0.10 Bitcoin Free? BitcoinBoom is Looking for ... on: June 17, 2011, 11:17:33 PM
Hey, guy with 3 followers here Tongue I'm new to both Twitter and Bitcoin... I don't seem to have gotten my 0.10 BTC?  Can somebody help?
55  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Want 0.10 Bitcoin Free? BitcoinBoom is Looking for ... on: June 17, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/gumpokdiugai

14uGQh9g5LsLRwjzwuaJaGem3ukjfkehJf

Thanks!
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