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41  Economy / Economics / Value Stabilization on: August 29, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
What is needed to stabilize the value of bitcoin(beyond a larger market)
42  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Smoky Mountain mining now offering daily dividends to GLBSE investors. on: August 29, 2011, 05:56:39 PM
Put me down for one share!
43  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We made our first USD donation! bitcoin-charity.com on: August 29, 2011, 04:18:27 PM
I love the idea of this site and it would be great to have people seeing bitcoin making a positive impact. I created a thread in gambling hoping to stimulate more donations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40059.0
44  Economy / Gambling / [One shot] last man wins on: August 29, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
Here's the deal. I wanted to take part on this forum for awhile so I am trying out this one shot game.

which is the anonymous donation address for Plant-It 2020 on http://www.bitcoin-charity.com/charities/

mention here on the thread that you donated and the address you donated from. At some random time Tomorrow I will declare the game over, check that the last address listed actually sent a donation to that address, and send .01 BTC to address the winner sent from.(to ensure people aren't just taking credit for random donations).

Let's make this experiment a successfull one!
45  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Make some easy bitcoin at forbitcoin.com with this job on: August 29, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
*shrug* he never stated a time limit or marked it as closed so why not?
46  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Dailybitcoins.org] Bitcoin faucet, sponsored by ads on: August 26, 2011, 02:17:15 PM
its just 24 hours after the last time you did it.
47  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [CLOSED] BTC 0.05 Reward for Adding Text/Link to Signature on: August 26, 2011, 02:04:30 PM
Also confirming payment, thanks!
48  Other / Meta / Re: Why dont we have a security subforum? on: August 25, 2011, 01:50:13 PM
What are some solutions you all use to keep track of several passwords without using the same password multiple places?
49  Economy / Services / Re: Needed: Employment services website like ODesk on: August 25, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
they are similar in being sites for gigs for bitcoins. I don't think anything(even the site you listed) is going to be quite at the oDesk caliber for a good while.
50  Economy / Goods / Re: [gauing interest] M:TG on: August 24, 2011, 08:20:20 PM
Yeah,  I'd be interested to see what you have.  Warning though I'm not so interested in paying book prices for rares,  more interested in a box of random cards with maybe some uncommon's for cheap.  Especially if its newer stuff.

That's one of the things I'm planning on selling, have a box of all the non-rares I've got since tempest minus what I held back to have a few decks to play when the chance randomly pops up. I'll have to get things organized a little bit to give a rough estimate of how many(not sure what order of magnitude right now I know its more then whatever number I'd pick out of the air.)
51  Economy / Goods / Re: [gauing interest] M:TG on: August 24, 2011, 08:16:19 PM
As far as interest, there is some here if you would have searched.

I've seen people selling
52  Other / Meta / Re: Why dont we have a security subforum? on: August 24, 2011, 07:07:19 PM
I also agree with the original post exactly as stated, and have nothing novel to add to the conversation.

What if we turn this thread into the conversations we would have in a security sub-forum to show there is enough volume of discussion to justify a new thread.
53  Economy / Goods / [gauing interest] M:TG on: August 24, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
I am trying to downsize my possessions and wondering if there is any interest in magic: the gathering cards here on the bitcoin forums
54  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BTC 0.05 Reward for Adding Text/Link to Signature on: August 24, 2011, 02:35:33 PM
just one more day, woohoo
55  Economy / Services / Re: Needed: Employment services website like ODesk on: August 24, 2011, 02:29:44 PM
forbitcoin.com too
56  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Do you need bitcoins? ForBitcoin.com is in BETA! on: August 24, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
You might take inspiration from this website:
https://www.odesk.com/

yes it will be wonderful once we have bitcoin sites of that quality
57  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ForBitcoin.com is giving away BitCoins, we need BUYERS! on: August 24, 2011, 02:27:49 PM
did this get paid out? is the 10 bitcoin drawing advertised on the site currently a new one?
58  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Make some easy bitcoin at forbitcoin.com with this job on: August 24, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
What do you think is a good price for a forum signature. I'm not 100 yet either but would like to see more and higher quality gigs over at forbitcoin. I actually found this post from doing a forum search for forbitcoin.
59  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: new to forbitcoin selling gigs... need to know how to set my fixed price on: August 24, 2011, 02:10:09 PM
are you talking about adjusting the price for a new gig or one already made?
60  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin has failed. Could something similar possibly work? on: August 24, 2011, 01:27:20 PM
Bitcoin is failing.  It's doing more or less what I've been predicting for the past 2 months.  It'll hover at around $10 for a while longer as it is a psychological barrier to break before it goes under it.

Reasons for this failure are numerous but one of the primary reasons is that the process of mining bitcoins IS NOT productive work.  Neither is the role of securing the network.  Both these (in a society) would be referred to as 'socially necessary functions', but they are not productive.  There is a critical distinction to be made here.  I hope the members of this forum can recognize it, since I believe this is the primary flaw of the system and if resolved would really give BitcoinII the incredible potential that we all hoped it would have had the first go around.  Yet, the more time we spend not recognizing this failure and stamping our feet in disagreement and denial isn't helpful and will only prolong the day before progress can be made.

The currency must fundamentally represent useful work.  I'm curious if there would be a possible way to use certificates and this technology to have the 'coins' or units of value store useful work rather than simply meet all the other requirements of what a currency must do.  Because, Bitcoin does, quite successfully, do nearly everything else that is required of it as a currency.

This is the strength of the fractional reserve system or better yet simply debt-issued central bank credit.  Take Putin's Russia or Korea or many other nations whom have issued debt into the system to provide for useful work.  Our banking system is presently totally out of control due to lack of regulation and a central bank that works for Wall St., but in the past and in other parts of the world a bank operated as a means to grow the economy by directing credit to useful enterprises.  If we choose not to have a deflationary monetary standard (and there is a lack of reasons as to why we should, but this is a point of another discussion) the money must originate from somewhere.  In the present Bitcoin system it is issued simply for providing the necessary service of securing the network, yet that isn't of itself enough (or at all fair) to constitute it being worth anything.  Debt issued currency, used properly in the Hamiltonian, Friedrich List style of dirigistic high-value high-capital intensity work creates wealth.  Such is how many nations have rocketed themselves to 1st world status in the course of a few generations.  But in the Bitcoin system the primary recipient of the currency isn't providing useful work, they function similarly like a bank - charged with the task of securing the system.

If there would be someway of 'securitizing' useful and productive work that was performed and could be exchanged through the infrastructure in a Bitcoin like fashion that would be something that could shake the system to its core. 

Of course this would probably be harder than just becoming politically active, reading a few dozen history books, a few dozen economic books and then coming to the correct solutions regarding our problems.  But if there are people here that would like to direct their energy in this direction (Bitcoin, or Bitcoin-like solutions) then this is how to make the system actually functional.

Ever wonder why Gavin's visit to the CIA came to naught?  Why it completely dropped off the radar of the political establishment?  I think they had a few analysts figure out what it was and where it was going and then realized that it would implode on its own and simply went about their business.



What IS the difference between a necessary function and productive work? Do you mean productive as in producing something new as opposed to maintaining what exists?

There is no way to automate such a process if this is what you mean so we either need a comitee of the entire bitcoin community which would get bogged down as most rule by comittee does, or a central authority which is anethema to what alot of people believe bitcoin is about.

 Of course If I am wrong about what you mean by productive work you can ignore all that bit.
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