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41  Local / Новички / Re: тру ли адреса трезора и леджера on: June 25, 2019, 10:50:02 AM
здрасьте, я поехавший параноик, который решил купить либо трезор либо леджер, но не доверяю первым ссылкам из гугла, а то мало ли, на 70бачей много желающих кинуть, скажите плиз, верны ли эти адреса:
ledger.com
trezor.io

я владелец трезор
захожу через https://trezor.io/

и вот тема есть, почитай
TREZOR VS LEDGER Nano S[сравнение и анализ]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5041653.0
прошу прощения, что все-таки задаю глупый вопрос, но не подскажите, пожалуйста, за сколько дней идет до урала, успеет за дня 3 прийти?
42  Local / Новички / тру ли адреса трезора и леджера on: June 25, 2019, 10:20:29 AM
здрасьте, я поехавший параноик, который решил купить либо трезор либо леджер, но не доверяю первым ссылкам из гугла, а то мало ли, на 70бачей много желающих кинуть, скажите плиз, верны ли эти адреса:
ledger.com
trezor.io
43  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 10:00:16 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there was never hacks or something else at blockchain.com's wallet.

Blockchain.com is a web wallet. This makes it way less secure compared to other wallets - by definition.

You hear a lot of people here shouting to never upload your private keys. Not even encrypted.
Well.. that's exactly what you are doing with a web wallet.


There are countless attack vectors against a web wallet, which do ONLY work against a web wallet.


For example.. if i gain access to the database of blockchain.com (either by hacking into it or by paying some employee a big amount of money), i could try something like DNS poisining to get people to visit my site (which they will think is blockchain.com).

I wouldn't need to crack any passwords in this case. I would have the encrypted private keys AND the passwords from the user once they try to access the web wallet.

This simply is not possible with desktop wallets.



@OP:
With 1000$+ it is worth buying a hardware wallet (IMO).

But else, i'd go for electrum on your desktop and a mobile wallet on your phone (e.g. mycelium).
yeah, thanks, ive already decided to buy hardware wallet, paying 80$ for saving 500$ is a good idea
44  Local / Новички / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 09:56:19 AM
здравствуйте, посидев на форуме заметил, что у большинства людей негативное отношение к blockchain com, как к кошельку, расскажите пожалуйста, в чем корень ненависти, компания же не сольется, слишком крупная и официально зарегистрированная для слива, да и не биржа, чтобы битки украли васяны-хакеры.
в чем корень ненависти?
для простоты понимания, предлагаю привести в пример банки. Они серьезные компании, сливаются или нет? Прежде чем сольются, нервы потреплют. Туда иди, сюда, это подпиши, тут заполни, а потом мы подумаем пару дней, что с твоим счетом делать. Т.е. ваши деньги хранятся не у вас. Это и есть корень и в этом философия биткойна. Поэтому абсурдно получается, децентрализованную монету, отдавать на хранение в банк, от которого вроде как уйти планировали...а ненависти как таковой не видел. я например даже не знаю, кто стоит за этой конторой.
хорошо, спасибо, подскажите плиз десктопные кошельки(я буду очень рад, если это будет кошелек с красивым интерфейсом(простите за уи дрочерство))

Имхо вполне себе хороший кошелек блокчейн.инфо для использования регулярного. Если хранить на многолет заначку в многокойнов - тогда конечно стоит что-то посерьезнее поискать.

А из дескторных мне нравится и интерфейс вполне себе )) copay от битпея но с ним была некрасивая история
https://www.coindesk.com/fake-developer-sneaks-malicious-code-into-bitpays-copay-wallet

Так что я бы не стал считать, что десктоп клиент это прям панацея. С блокчейн.ком клиентом ничего такого не было  Grin

Негатив есть к любым веб-кошелькам, они потенциально дырявы, такова их суть. А в остальном нормальный кошель.

спасибо, мне уже на англ форуме подсказали, что для моих сумм следовало бы хардварный взять, ради сохранности 500 бачей можно и 80 отдать

"вам шашечки или ехать?" (с)

качай последний Bitcoin Core (линк вверху форума)
в оффлайне (без инета или можно это сделать на "чистой" машине) сгенери новый сид + получи приватные ключи к нескольким адресам
сохрани не единожды!! копии на внешние носители
отправь на новые адреса битки, распределив то, что хочешь на сохранить и то, что собираешься оперативно юзать
и подбрасывай потом приватный ключ от "оперативных" адресов в любой проверенный кошелек - хоть декстопный, хоть онлайн, хоть мобильные, хоть обратно импортни в свою учетку на blockchain
выбирая цвет, вкус, запах, кнопочки...

есть смысл использовать сегвит-адреса - начинаются с 3 - комса будет чуть дешевле
мне, как ламеру, проблематично таким заниматься, спасибо, возьму трезор и париться не буду
45  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 09:53:47 AM
I'm not claiming that the blockchain.com wallet is unsecure, but I've read enough complaints to not recommend it to people, even though I've used it in the past with no problems(just with small amounts of bitcoin).

Here's a fairly recent one: Topic: Blockchain.com scam - lost funds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157460

I'm not sure that any of these had any proof. IMHO all the big companies sometimes are mentioned in such "horror stories" - black PR and people blaiming others for their mistakes mostly.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there was never hacks or something else at blockchain.com's wallet.
agree, after reading that forum post, i just thought that smb is blaming blockchain com for its own mistake, but that situation really may happen, so im gonna change my wallet

thank you for the thread link, what alternative wallet would u suggest?

Here's my personal picks.

If you don't own that much:

If you're holding significant amounts(probably worth $400+), get a hardware wallet:
yeah, thanks, im gonna move my 500$ to electrum, and after that i would order trezor/ledger hardware
46  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 09:50:19 AM
can u plz suggest me any desktop wallets (i would be really happy if there are desktop wallets, which ui is as great as blockchain com)

If you want fancy wallets, maybe you'll find lots of choices if you use a mobile wallet. On a desktop, Electrum is probably the closest one. You can use Electrum with hardware wallets too, so that's a plus.

You should not prioritize UI that much if we're talking about wallets. Don't forget to verify the files after you've downloaded it.



Note: don't do multiple posts in a row, you can multi-quote and post a single reply.



thank you, i already use blockchain com from the phone xd, but im gonna switch, the guy, who wrote new message has suggested mobile wallet

sorry, i just realized, that i can multiquote posts, i will do it from the next post
47  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 09:44:20 AM
the reasons in decreasing order of seriousness:
- it is a web wallet which means you have to visit a website to open it, although everything happens in your browser and they only store the encrypted wallet file but there still are a lot of risk involved that can lead to losses. specially since browsers aren't the safest thing with their JavaScript!

- although they have released the source code, you are still accessing a closed source website which you can't know what actual code is being run by them.

- in the past their platforms had very serious bugs that has led to loss of funds (like usage of random.org for entropy generation!)

- their platform still has many minor bugs that have existed for years and are well known but not fixed since they are not serious.

- their wallet and explorer don't support new features of bitcoin that were added nearly 2 years ago called Segregated Witness.


as for the wallet to use instead, read the sticky topic in this board about wallets.
my suggestion is that you start with Electrum. since it is light and user friendly. but you have to learn how to use it correctly, start by learning how to verify PGP signatures since you need to verify the authenticity of the binaries you download.
yah, thats true, blockchain com also has no eth smart-contracts
48  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 09:37:24 AM
well, im not an enthusiast but i still dont want my money to be stolen, but paying 100$ for the wallet is more than 10% of my wallet. are there any cheaper solutions, atleast software

I think you should then use Electrum, mobile or desktop version.
It is important that you have safe habits online (don't install junk shady software, don't click shady links, don't go to shady websites, etc). Especially is your device whixh you have Electrum installed.

Dobwload only from Electrum.org
ty, i will try electrum(but after this thread im thinking about buying trezor), shitty exe are not a problem for me, cuz im using linux xd, but last time i tried to install electrum ive got pyqt error, and i couldnt find out whats the solution of the problem on internet, ty
49  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to Reduce the Size of Government on: June 25, 2019, 09:31:09 AM
All the States except Louisiana have an acknowledgement of the Federal Constitution right in their founding documents... their constitutions or agreements for statehood with the US gov. But this isn't enough. The States should add a clause that cannot be removed, rescinded, repealed that states that the State will always accept the rights for the people as detailed in portions of the Federal Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Once this is done, the Federal Government can be abolished, because the States are of a size and ability that they can govern themselves without Fed Gov. All that Fed Gov is doing is leaching off the States. Get rid of the leach, but keep its good parts - freedom and rights for the people - and let the people of each State control their location.

There is enough interstate communication between the governing people of all the States, right now, to maintain fairness for each State and its people. It's the Fed Gov that is making trouble for everybody.

Cool


there is a problem, that smb, who already has the political power, has to lose it by its own decision, its pretty hard to imagine, and again, why noone is talking about destroying the government's monopoly for the violence on the land, its the only way, which will reduce the government, cuz while government has no competition on the current land it's monopoly, and monopoly will do everything monopoly owner wants
50  Local / Новички / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 03:40:59 AM
здравствуйте, посидев на форуме заметил, что у большинства людей негативное отношение к blockchain com, как к кошельку, расскажите пожалуйста, в чем корень ненависти, компания же не сольется, слишком крупная и официально зарегистрированная для слива, да и не биржа, чтобы битки украли васяны-хакеры.
в чем корень ненависти?
для простоты понимания, предлагаю привести в пример банки. Они серьезные компании, сливаются или нет? Прежде чем сольются, нервы потреплют. Туда иди, сюда, это подпиши, тут заполни, а потом мы подумаем пару дней, что с твоим счетом делать. Т.е. ваши деньги хранятся не у вас. Это и есть корень и в этом философия биткойна. Поэтому абсурдно получается, децентрализованную монету, отдавать на хранение в банк, от которого вроде как уйти планировали...а ненависти как таковой не видел. я например даже не знаю, кто стоит за этой конторой.
хорошо, спасибо, подскажите плиз десктопные кошельки(я буду очень рад, если это будет кошелек с красивым интерфейсом(простите за уи дрочерство))

Какие могут быть вопросы? Если в сохранности средств, то конечно лучше декстоп и на холодняке.

хардварные решения стоят больше чем 10% от всех моих битков, поэтому брать их смысла не вижу, а что есть десктопное, и в идеале с красивым интерфейсом, подскажите, пожалуйста(прошу прощения за дрочево на скругленные края у кнопок)
51  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 03:35:15 AM
hello
after some time on this forum i found out that ppl dont really like blockchain com, they kinda hate it. can smb explain me why plz?
blockchain info is just a wallet, so it cant be hacked the same as the stocks. and also blockchain com company is too big and is on the market for a really long time, so it wont rob anybody, if im mistaking correct my mistakes plz
thank you

they teamed up with miners and other large companies and loudly campaigned for increasing the block size with a hard fork. that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. you'll find similar disdain for bitpay and coinbase too.

it's also an online wallet---much less secure than a desktop wallet due to MITM attacks and such. it's just reckless security-wise so people get scolded for using it sometimes.
can u plz suggest me any desktop wallets (i would be really happy if there are desktop wallets, which ui is as great as blockchain com)
52  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 03:33:25 AM
blockchain info is just a wallet, so it cant be hacked the same as the stocks. and also blockchain com company is too big and is on the market for a really long time, so it wont rob anybody, if im mistaking correct my mistakes plz
thank you

First- blockchain.com is not a big company. It's big but not as big as you think.

If someone "hack" an stock market exchange, there are many laws and  insurances that will protect you. There aren't laws or insuarences if you lose your bitcoin.

If you ever make a wallet, you will be only responsible for its security.
If you chose blockchain.com as a wallet, you have to know the risks involved and that they have no responsibility over your funds.

In my opinion, unless you are an expert, you should buy a hardware wallet such as trezor or ledger nano.
well, im not an enthusiast but i still dont want my money to be stolen, but paying 100$ for the wallet is more than 10% of my wallet. are there any cheaper solutions, atleast software
53  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: blockchain com on: June 25, 2019, 03:28:59 AM
I'm not claiming that the blockchain.com wallet is unsecure, but I've read enough complaints to not recommend it to people, even though I've used it in the past with no problems(just with small amounts of bitcoin).

Here's a fairly recent one: Topic: Blockchain.com scam - lost funds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157460
thank you for the thread link, what alternative wallet would u suggest?
54  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to Reduce the Size of Government on: June 24, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
there are a bunch of ways, but there is a one main problem, why minarchism, classical liberalism and etc are not working. the government is always becoming bigger, than it was before, thats why the only solution of this problem, which i have found is FOCJ(functional overlapping competing jurisdictions) and Panarchy(aka Polystate)
55  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump 2020 - Trump 4EVAHHHH on: June 24, 2019, 06:05:13 PM
protectionism sucks, dude, on this elections the least evil of all the candidates is biden imho
56  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you think Trump changed his mind over the strike on Iran? on: June 24, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
nope, iran strike is an awful decision, cuz iran also has nukes, the profits of the war against a government which has nukes are much much lower than the costs of this war
57  Other / Beginners & Help / blockchain com on: June 24, 2019, 05:57:37 PM
hello
after some time on this forum i found out that ppl dont really like blockchain com, they kinda hate it. can smb explain me why plz?
blockchain info is just a wallet, so it cant be hacked the same as the stocks. and also blockchain com company is too big and is on the market for a really long time, so it wont rob anybody, if im mistaking correct my mistakes plz
thank you
58  Local / Новички / blockchain com on: June 24, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
здравствуйте, посидев на форуме заметил, что у большинства людей негативное отношение к blockchain com, как к кошельку, расскажите пожалуйста, в чем корень ненависти, компания же не сольется, слишком крупная и официально зарегистрированная для слива, да и не биржа, чтобы битки украли васяны-хакеры.
в чем корень ненависти?
59  Local / Разное / Re: А в какие игры вы играете? on: June 24, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
в радугу, бф4 и овер, в радугу в независимости от настроения, отличная игра, в овер, когда хочется просто время убить, в бф4, когда очень много времени есть, час, например, чтобы успеть полноценную катку сыграть
60  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Чего ждать от эфира в ближайшее время??? on: June 24, 2019, 05:44:19 PM
если брать эфир, то сейчас, скоро рост, я уже взял, после роста, как и всегда, спад сильный, в момент его начала продам
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