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Great resource! Thanks for sharing that. So I take it that if post-quantum cryptography is already being worked on in order to be prepared then that extra layer of security can be written into the Bitcoin code, even that far down the road?
Bitcoin is inherently resistant to quantum computing as it does not disclose the public key, instead it hashes it twice! So the attacker literally has no chance to 'derive' the private key even armed to a super quantum computer like in a science fiction. So far so good, BUT when one 'spends' his wallet, eventually has to disclose his/her public key and if s/he accidentally tries to use the same address again, well, from here on the alarming flags should be raised if there are powerful enough QCs commercially available. Note: In the limited interval between the time of the spend Tx even for the brand new addresses, until they get confirmed, there is a window for the QC attack to compromise the private key and generate another transaction with higher fee and priority and steal funds, taking advantage of this window needs very huge QCs to break the code very fast, not like few days, but few seconds. Such QCs not likely to be built ever. Anyway, when it comes to upgrade, there will be a soft fork, implementing new address types and thus new cryptographic algorithms. After the fork, all new transactions will be safe in heaven, the only weakness will be the elder UTXOs with used addresses, though it will be the holders' responsibility to renew their wallets asap. Panic over I guess   Of course, I didnt even think about the fact the public key is already hashed! Glad to hear our Bitcoin will be safe from the world of science fiction. I think a long Sunday afternoon must have taken it's toll, my imgination has been for a good wonder today... Thanks for the info though! |
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I mean it effectivly makes encryption useless, someone with a quantum computer could just brute force a private key from a public key in no time. This will kill every crypto currently out there.
No. If quantum computing does become a reality, the time taken to bruteforce a private key to a public key will decrease substantially but not to that much magnitude.
Do you think we will see new quantum cryptos released once the technology is ready? Or do you think Bitcoin will adopt a new layer of quantum security if that is even possible?
Yes. 
I am not currently aware of any development on such an algorithm for now. With reference to my initial post, the security risk of this can be easily mitigated. As long as people do not reuse addresses, it is quite hard for anyone to profit using a quantum computer. Speaking of profits, the cost of operating one is quite expensive and not everyone can have their hands on it. Ok I understand, I guess it's always hard to predict the capability of future technology but even so sounds like it wouldnt be an issue/is easily overcome. Thanks for helping me clear that one up in my own head! |
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Thanks to everyone for the info! Helped out alot. I love this forum!
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Sorry this might sound a little stupid but what is the difference between a split and a fork? And also what would I have to do if a split occured and I then wanted to spend my coins?
Im guessing I couldnt spend the same coins on both splits as that would means I've doubled my money. Sorry im just trying to wrap my head around it
there is no stupid questions a fork is like a change in the code. like an upgrade. in a decentralized network like bitcoin the whole network has to agree to that change. if they all do (or at least the overwhelming majority agree) then the change will happen smoothly and there won't be anyone left on the old one. example: the last hard fork bitcoin had years ago to fix a bug. but if the majority don't agree with the change and many stay on the old one and many go on the new one then the two forks will exist side by side and the split happens. example: ethereum fork which led to ETH and ETC. i am not sure about what to do so if i am wrong i hope someone corrects the following: the problem is the replay attack. when you spend coins on one chain the transaction is valid on the other chain so it will be spent on the other chain also. in order to fix that i think the best way is this: create different addresses and send funds to each of them on different chains. Address1 has funds pre split you make Address2 and Address3 they are all valid on both chains. send funds to Address2 on chain1 send the same funds to Address3 on chain2 if these two transactions are confirmed on different correct chains your funds are safely on different chains and can not cross path. because Address2 is empty on chain2 and Address3 is empty on chain1 and your Address1 is now empty too. (by empty i mean the transaction output is now spent and can not be spent again)
whether you double your money depends on how the price will react. I think all the hard forks happen with a split, by deffinetion;
i think you may be confusing backward compatibility with split and fork. Thanks for understanding.I have been out of the game a little while and I've missed things in the past and will not be making the same mistake again. For example Whistle Coin rebranded to Bit Currency and I missed it, the opportunity to exchange my bag of WSTL for the new coin was gone. Lesson learnt, keep an eye on this forum. Thanks for explaning I think I get it now, I'll just sit back and see what happens for now as I have my private keys and am not planning on spending a single sat, not for a very long while |
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that is the case only if a split happens not a fork. all forks don't lead to a split no matter if it is a hard fork or a soft fork.
and in case a split happens and two chains exist simultaneously then if you keep your coins in your wallet and don't plan on spending them you have nothing to worry about.
the problems are only for when you plan on spending.
Sorry this might sound a little stupid but what is the difference between a split and a fork? And also what would I have to do if a split occured and I then wanted to spend my coins? Im guessing I couldnt spend the same coins on both splits as that would means I've doubled my money. Sorry im just trying to wrap my head around it |
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If you hold the private keys, then in both. The blockchain won't be changed until the fork time, so you will have the same coins in the other fork too.
But if you use a service that don't allow you to get private key(exchanges, online wallets, casinos, etc...) you probably will get nothing.
Ok great, yes I hold the private keys so it shouldnt be a problem. So I effectivly dont need to do anything? just sit back and see what happens? Thanks for getting back to me |
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I really dont understand too much about what could happen after a fork in the blockchain. I'm not asking for speculation (as if we knew that we would all be multi millionaires). But if BTC did fork what would happen to the coins I'm holding?
Would I have coins on both forks? Or would I have to choose which fork to move them to?
Like I said, Im no expert but I want to be as prepared as possible for 1st August.
Thanks
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With the steps forward that quantum computing is making will it mean the end of crypto as we know it once quantum computing become a reality?
I mean it effectivly makes encryption useless, someone with a quantum computer could just brute force a private key from a public key in no time. This will kill every crypto currently out there.
Do you think we will see new quantum cryptos released once the technology is ready? Or do you think Bitcoin will adopt a new layer of quantum security if that is even possible?
I'm by no means an expert on the subject but unless the good guys get their hands on some form of quantum computer before the bad guys it kind of puts a ticking timer on the whole crypto industry. That's if an extra layer of quantum encryption can even be implemented in some way for Bitcoin.
If not, then I guess we better time it just right and get the f**k outta here at the right time.
Thoughts?
It is not the way you put it. We have quantum resistant cryptographic algorithms out there, already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-quantum_cryptographyI'm specially a fan of this one: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6337933/?reload=trueQuantum computing is too immature to be considered a vulnerability for at least this decade and when it happens to be ready, we are ways ready. Just don't panic. Great resource! Thanks for sharing that. So I take it that if post-quantum cryptography is already being worked on in order to be prepared then that extra layer of security can be written into the Bitcoin code, even that far down the road? Panic over I guess |
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With the steps forward that quantum computing is making will it mean the end of crypto as we know it once quantum computing become a reality?
I mean it effectivly makes encryption useless, someone with a quantum computer could just brute force a private key from a public key in no time. This will kill every crypto currently out there.
Do you think we will see new quantum cryptos released once the technology is ready? Or do you think Bitcoin will adopt a new layer of quantum security if that is even possible?
I'm by no means an expert on the subject but unless the good guys get their hands on some form of quantum computer before the bad guys it kind of puts a ticking timer on the whole crypto industry. That's if an extra layer of quantum encryption can even be implemented in some way for Bitcoin.
If not, then I guess we better time it just right and get the f**k outta here at the right time.
Thoughts?
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Love the concept of this coin, I'm invested i just think the client UI needs to be updated its looking abit dated and not so clean and fresh (which in my opinion will put people off who dont understand the value of the underlying technology) but if development keeps going in the direction it has been I think this one will be one to watch in the future.
Keep up the good work!
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Unfortunately it looks like they all have orphaned inputs  I wouldn't be surprised if the coins that these transactions referenced have already been double-spent. So does that mean that if I had more on the ball in 2014 and tried to get the tx confirmed then I could have possibly got myself 650 free Bitcoin? I'd feel a little bit sad if that was the case haha. Still wondering where they came from in the first place. Odd Thanks anyway for looking into it. I'll just leave it out there that if anyone can by some miricle figure it out and get the 650 coins confirmed I'd would more than happily reward 50BTC haha  pipe dreams hey. Anyway cheers! |
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Thanks, I'll take a look when I get the chance today.
Thanks! |
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Ok so here are the results of the gettransaction command for each tx (in order) apart from the first one that I've already posted. "gettransaction 523f7e812d6c987c1e9a28c37183cca994fcee423f9a6ef9aba4b838818f2e79" {
"amount": 53.73673319,
"confirmations": 0,
"trusted": false,
"txid": "523f7e812d6c987c1e9a28c37183cca994fcee423f9a6ef9aba4b838818f2e79",
"walletconflicts": [
],
"time": 1390524704,
"timereceived": 1390524704,
"bip125-replaceable": "unknown",
"details": [
{
"account": "",
"address": "1HuhiGhnDS3LWJTupU7s7HsC4YhPSs6jrc",
"category": "receive",
"amount": 53.73673319,
"vout": 1
}
],
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"time": 1390524632,
"timereceived": 1390524632,
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"address": "1HuhiGhnDS3LWJTupU7s7HsC4YhPSs6jrc",
"category": "receive",
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}"gettransaction 343aba393c4eb50f1bcb86f7b6395491e549819d510358825a353838d42a58d3" {
"amount": 49.98086111,
"confirmations": 0,
"trusted": false,
"txid": "343aba393c4eb50f1bcb86f7b6395491e549819d510358825a353838d42a58d3",
"walletconflicts": [
],
"time": 1389967293,
"timereceived": 1389967293,
"bip125-replaceable": "unknown",
"details": [
{
"account": "",
"address": "1HuhiGhnDS3LWJTupU7s7HsC4YhPSs6jrc",
"category": "receive",
"amount": 49.98086111,
"vout": 1
}
],
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Hmm, it looks like then, at least for that transaction, you won't be able to get it confirmed (due to the inaccessible inputs). There might be a chance that other transactions might be potentially usable though, if you wouldn't mind doing gettransaction for a few more of the transactions you see (particularly the first few and last few)
I've got nothing else to do today so I'll issue the gettransaction command for each one individually and post the results. Any clues as to why the inputs are not valid or are inaccessible? If a transaction has been broadcast years ago and never recieved a confirmation could that mean the blockchain "forgot" it? A miner could then confirm the tx whenever he wants as in theory broadcasts dont expire? Maybe I'm going down the completly wrong road with this, just a thought though. It's just strange how I've had, what looks like original block rewards, sent to an address I own. How they ended up in my tx list (even if they arnt valid) confuses me. Anyway I'll post the results asap |
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Looks like that transaction is based on some missing inputs; could you try issuing gettransaction 4fc7e86d442c25e9aeb9f57299bfa577a79475cd49d1133b96e5be872b073a2a to see if you might have one of the input transactions that the txns in question are dependent on, saved as well? When I do that I just get this message: "Invalid or non-wallet transaction id (code -5)" |
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try: gettransaction 21e2f8cf6a2416dd0da65c3b523e422df1dafc340aa04a3ed022610aa28bfc9e
Okay so "gettransaction 21e2f8cf6a2416dd0da65c3b523e422df1dafc340aa04a3ed022610aa28bfc9e" produces this: {
"amount": 50.34830654,
"confirmations": 0,
"trusted": false,
"txid": "21e2f8cf6a2416dd0da65c3b523e422df1dafc340aa04a3ed022610aa28bfc9e",
"walletconflicts": [
],
"time": 1390524786,
"timereceived": 1390524786,
"bip125-replaceable": "unknown",
"details": [
{
"account": "",
"address": "1HuhiGhnDS3LWJTupU7s7HsC4YhPSs6jrc",
"category": "receive",
"amount": 50.34830654,
"vout": 1
}
],
"hex": "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"
}Does that shed any light? Thanks! |
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Would you be comfortable with posting the raw transaction with txid 21e2f8cf6a2416dd0da65c3b523e422df1dafc340aa04a3ed022610aa28bfc9e? It could provide clues as to what is going on, by providing info as to what outputs were spent in that transaction, the fee, and so on. That info won't allow anyone to tamper with your wallet, and is the same info available on block explorers for transactions that end up going through. If you're OK with doing this, in your client's debug window, issue the command: getrawtransaction 21e2f8cf6a2416dd0da65c3b523e422df1dafc340aa04a3ed022610aa28bfc9e (and the same for some of the other txids) and post the output here. If the inputs they spent are still available by some stroke of luck, you might be able to push them through by rebroadcasting these transactions followed by transactions that spend these coins with a high enough fee to perform CPFP, or by contacting someone with privileges to push transactions to a pool and offering them an incentive. If I can figure out a valid transaction to push I'll provide more info on how to get it confirmed. Thanks for the reply, I have just tried to issue the command but I'm getting the message there is no such mempool transaction. It also suggests two other commands to use but I'll admit I'm no expert in what they do. Here is a screen shot of the debug console after I try and issue the getrawtransaction command http://imgur.com/a/MOXpYAny suggestions? The Bitcoin Client isnt fully synced could that be a problem with issuing the command? Thanks again |
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Bitcoin Client Software and Version Number: Bitcoin Core version v0.14.1 (64-bit) Operating System: MacOS Sierra 10.12.2 Description of Problem: I am going through old wallet.dat files (just checking to make sure I havent forgotten about a satoshi or two) and in the transaction history in the Bitcoin Client it says a hell of a lot of Bitcoin have been sent to an address I own: 1HuhiGhnDS3LWJTupU7s7HsC4YhPSs6jrc (SEE ATTACHED SCREENSHOT). When I go to any blockchain explorer though and type that address in it comes up as an unused wallet address with 0 transactions. Obviously I would have remebered owning that many Bitcoin but I'm confused as to why it's showing up in the client and not the blockchain. Any Related Transaction IDs: 21e2f8cf6a2416dd0da65c3b523e422df1dafc340aa04a3ed022610aa28bfc9e and alot more, if you need each individual transaction ID let me know. Screenshot of the problem: Bitcoin Client: http://imgur.com/MNfePxn Blockchain: http://imgur.com/52x2TvgI did have active wallets in 2014 when these unknowen transactions say they took place. If I'm a millionaire and I didnt know it ill happily reward who ever helps me out generously! haha  Thanks! |
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I've got a quick question, I have been holding WhistleCoin (which I see has been rebraded to BitCurrency) since 2014. I have about 160565 WSTL at address: WSY72S1BEbFkvbHrhjgYByPGxqoRRwWKbp
So my question is what do I do with them? I have tried copying the old WSTL wallet.dat file into the new Bitcurrency client but the coins dont transfer. I've read back through the Bitcurrency thread and I hope my coins havent been burnt as you can imagine I'd be super dissapointed! That's life though sometimes I guess but since I held it would be a massive shame.
Like most people I just left them sitting on my computer and havent looked for the last few years so completly missed the rebranding to BitCurrency.
Hope theres something I can do as I think this one has alot of potential!
Thanks,
Charlie
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l like graphs do you like graphs?  Sickkk lol what crypto does that chart belong to? |
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