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41  Economy / Economics / Re: What China is hiding from us and are they doing it to save their economy? on: March 31, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
If we talk about the data from China, I would say it is questionable because even South Korea (+125) --a country that has equal experience dealing with SARS 1.0-- reported more new infected patients than China (+79). https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

However, It doesn't mean it is some kind of conspiracy. More likely because they just didn't do enough testing.

they hid real number because they don"t wants their people fear it and to save there economy from dropping now they are making money while other countries in lockdown.
42  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese Strategy? on: March 31, 2020, 04:20:45 PM
Chinese Strategy?

Sorry man. When I look at how people vote on such question, the highest beside that covid-19 happened naturally is that USA government made the covid-19 virus and plant it in China and Iran.
That's very vague man, with USA now have the highest cases of covid19 they should have had the antidote for this before planting to other country, seems illogical to me that they were not prepared for the pandemic when we assume that they created the virus. I hope this pandemic ends in no time, Doctors and Scientists will found a cure.

The most logical explanation to me is that it was not really natural natural, but we humans triggered it with ( global warming, pollution, keeling plants and animals, ...) . That is the reason why this viruses now keep popping out. In past were very rare.
I guess not, people in China were eating this kind of food for a very long time so if it is really genetically found and started with bats then it should popped out as early as it was eaten.

I guess yes. We people eat animals from 100000 years ago. And we got no covid virus. I dont think we eat less animals today as we sis centuries ago. Now with climate changes that happened. Changes people did make it happen that virus got into animals.


About USA. You might be right. If you are wrong then they totally fucked them self up for not have vaccine on time.


Right now few people in the USA are targeted because they're Asian I saw one video where one 20-year-old African-American guy telling he hate Asian people and another 57-year-old guy was hitting old Chines guy just like after 9/11 they hated Muslim and mocked and still doing it now because of coronavirus they're doing same thing.
43  Economy / Economics / Re: What China is hiding from us and are they doing it to save their economy? on: March 30, 2020, 04:38:25 PM
With not much else to do, I watched a Youtube video documenting life in China lately and it seems pretty obvious their government is in the business of information control--they all are, but the extent seemed to be like communist Russia or N. Korea.  Not surprising, and I pretty much figured it was like that in China.  So as far as what they're hiding from the world, it could be anything.

I don't think China manufactured this strain of coronavirus, however.  Their motivation for doing so would be iffy at best, and I would suggest that viral outbreaks can start anywhere.  This time it just happened to be China. 

And by the way, it drives me up a wall whenever Trump refers to coronavirus as "the Chinese virus".  If he knows something the rest of us don't, he should just spit it out.  It puts unnecessary blame on a country that most likely didn't intend to be ground zero for the outbreak.

I also think coronavirus wasn't made in China if we look last 20-year chart we can have been affected by at least 14 virus so it's clear this might be another outbreak like those and if we look at history we can see every century like 1820,1920 was also affected by virus. As for China controlling people, I saw one video that they were acting like they where on a war and they didn't let any single affected people leave from lockdown or affected area and they really managed to contain it and they hid real number because they didn't want their economy collapse because of fear of this virus.
44  Economy / Economics / Re: What China is hiding from us and are they doing it to save their economy? on: March 30, 2020, 03:47:45 PM
Given the fact that they've hide the truth about a virus outbreak in Wuhan. Is more enough reason to suspect them about hiding the real death toll in mainland and other states.
In fact trump said in his statements that "China is hiding the real numbers" in my opinion their only doing this to save themselves and their economy and not for the people.

When virus spread in Wuhan China didn't let reporters to new real situation and sadly because of their serious work on lockdown they have already recovered fast and since they hide the real number of dead people really didn't take it seriously and many people didn't think that it will attack them as well. if we have prepared when it attack Wuhan maybe the current situation would be different. And right now many conspiracy theories going on one person said coronavirus is a normal virus and people who have died because they have other diseases and bad immune system don't know which one is true.
45  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese Strategy? on: March 30, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
Initially I do not believe in conspiracies, but second thought on this issue made me to ask why is it that Russia is not affected like other countries we all know that both China and Russia always vote together on issues because they are thick as thief.

I also don't believe in conspiracy theories and Russia is also very affected but they don't do much testing and they don't reveal the real numbers as well as some other countries.
Chinese are very known for their discipline and obedience and that is one of the keys in situations like this.
They've already started to rebuild their production and economy and once more Europe and US will stay behind.

Yes, I agree with you now people are busy blaming China instead of looking for ways to control economy crash so I think we should focus on how to overcome this situation and save everyone because of this many people will lose their job and become poor. Let's all pray and hope soon this situation will resolve.
46  Economy / Economics / Re: What China is hiding from us and are they doing it to save their economy? on: March 29, 2020, 03:31:52 PM
As many people think coronavirus is created by China and they did to crush other economy but I don't think that's what they did but some information came to light that gives us some dought about China's action. as far as we know death in China is a total of 3800+ but is it a real number? Did they hide the real numbers to protect their economy? what those pictures tell us!

I don't understand most of that picture since it is Chinese but I am also starting to be curious how well the Chinese handled the situation in their country. If you will be looking at this list, you could see how China has a lot of people recovered from the virus. Despite them being the origin, the USA and Italy are now topping the list with the most cases. And then Spain buys medical equipment worth 432 million euros from China.

It is really confusing and hard to understand which one is true we will have to wait for the truth to be revel but will we able to find the real story about what happened? I dought it
47  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the government understand? on: March 29, 2020, 02:59:29 PM
About the survival of the poor, I have my sympathy for them. The government can't do all the job of food supply. This is a time that the wealthy and politicians who most likely have stolen from the people should give back to the people in support. My worry is the time duration that op has suggested that vaccine could be available. That is really a long time, this might really take the world to recession.

In this situation, we all need to come forward and help people with everything we can. but the problem is we can't go outside right now so it creates problem but if we donate the government and if they distribute it to all people it might work but this is a short time solution if this go for a month than many countries will suffer more than a rich country like the USA.
48  Economy / Economics / What China is hiding from us and are they doing it to save their economy? on: March 29, 2020, 02:51:06 PM
As many people think coronavirus is created by China and they did to crush other economy but I don't think that's what they did but some information came to light that gives us some dought about China's action. as far as we know death in China is a total of 3800+ but is it a real number? Did they hide the real numbers to protect their economy? what those pictures tell us!





49  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the government understand? on: March 29, 2020, 02:15:26 PM
With the society collapsing , I fear for a common man , I fear for the families who were already living on the edge and now without any jobs , without any money , they are surviving on the brink .
Yes the government is distributing food for the poor , they are doing whatever they can , but it is not enough .
Just like , we are able to transfer our education system , all online in a matter of days , why are they not doing the same for most of the offices ?
Even at the time of the crisis , corruption still can be seen , when a country which is considered the most powerful , the US , when the people cannot trust the president itself , who can they trust at that time ?

I do know that people engaged in cryptocurrencies are way ahead of the time, so do you guys think there is a way by which jobs can be provided to the needy because we all know that a vaccine is 12-18 months away .

Things will take a lot of time to be normal , till then how will the economy survive?

the whole world in chaos right now and we don't know what are waiting for us in 3-4 months and how many people will die in this situation by coronavirus and by not getting proper food and treatment but whatever happens economy might get 5-10 years behind because of this. And there already many conspiracy theory going in which is not good for us I hope we can overcome this situation by working together.

Stay home Stay safe
50  Economy / Economics / Re: Coronavirus is very harmful to fiat currencies, not bitcoin on: March 29, 2020, 01:59:02 PM
Have you seen how governments responded to the corona virus?

Quite simply, in Italy, the US and elsewhere, they will increase their budget deficit, and add debt. In my understanding, that's very bad for fiat currencies, while BTC will remain unaffected, thanks to the lockdown on money supply.

yes, and because of it, crypto is unpredictable and unstable. if bitcoin was stable everyone would have brought but since its rise and fall all-time people can't trust will it benefit them or they will lose money here. and we all know crypto is untraceable so the government didn't approve because they can't take tax from people which is not good for any country and most important people already doing moneylending using crypto. and I think BTC also got affected in this it was 9k and dump to 3.8k and now little stable in 6k but who knows it might dump again in 3k or pump in 9k.
51  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese Strategy? on: March 29, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
(1)
America and Europe's stock market crashed but the China's stock market did not? Why the hell it didn't crash amidst the emergence they are having with the virus? Are they prepared for this?

This article might answer your question here.



Thanks for bringing this one
(2)
There is a massive hospital in China that was built in only 3 days, come on man it's unbelievable cause they already know how these virus would impact the world, there are lots of hospital in China that can actually handle all the several patients that time. Are they prepared for this?

This is a bit triggering conspiracy or theory.

This virus started in December of 2019, the hospital was started to build on January 23. If they already knew the virus, they would just start making a hospital far earlier than that. Workers in there don't have enough sleep, a worker there was interviews and said they only slept 3 hours for 3 days, just imagine the sacrifice they are doing. It was further explained by @abhiseshakana though.
Ok, so let's say that was really not intended and I already know what China is capable of building things. Now what are your stand on China having a 90++% recovery rate

Now China is selling medicines and already sold 432 million euros to Spain. Can someone put a spotlight on this?

I know the number is quite big and the recovery rate in China give you dought about if it was an attack here's my point;
1) Do you think China showing real death numbers? I have talked to a friend who are from Wuhan but live in the USA he told me that in Wuhan daily 100+ people died but that time in news only telling only 700 death so I think to save their economy China hides the real number of people died from us.
2) Do you know in China from January to March 1 million people phones are off why do you think ? in this situation people should use more than they did before since all those affected area lockdowns and only thoro phones they can connect so where did those users go missing?

More important how the virus spread I think if all countries didn't take there citizen back virus wouldn't be spared in the whole world.
52  Economy / Economics / Re: Can we agree BTC is not a store of value? on: March 28, 2020, 03:46:30 PM
Listen to this podcast.
https://unconfirmed.libsyn.com/coronavirus-how-it-will-impact-bitcoin-and-the-halving-ep116
However much you want it to be, BTC is NOT a store of value.  It has been a few years since $20K and even now, each peak is smaller than the previous peak.  Probably be $3K by the end of the week.

I think BTC will go down again below if holder start dumping but for now safe zone 5200$ if it go below than it will go down 3k$ for sure and now the europian country is affected and I think many people from those countries hold a high number of BTC so we need to prepare for another dump and we might not see this year 10k$ but crypto is really unstable and no one know which way it will go for sure let's hope best for now.
53  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese Strategy? on: March 28, 2020, 03:38:49 PM
I'm sure we read the same content on facebook about this conspiracy which is there are some valid reasons right now. If the virus is really by means made on purpose then they are already winning this, consider the confirmed cases on US and italy than china.
They are indeed winning this war against them but I think the most is the cost of their winning which is their people. If this virus is literally made by them then,if proven then China might be in large facing every nation's rage because of this. Biological weapon can be compared to nuclear with slow reaction but also means a thousands death.  I don't think that things happen between these countries are coincident only, there must be a reason why, and that reason will be uncover for sure.

Well, there so many think still unclear but I don"t think that's what really happened and in China are not telling us the real number of death and we might never know it and that's why people think only 3000+ people died and they are trying to make sense by convincing people that if it was Biological weapon why they attack their country first? they could have targeted any country. Even though so many things still remain a mystery like where this virus come suddenly? but if you do the research I think there are many way virus can come.

1) this virus made in the lab and this was an attack
2) this virus come from animals to humane and the more its spared more dangerous it become
3) this virus come by accident happen in lab

which reason is behind we don't know yet but hopefully, soon we will figure it out.
54  Economy / Economics / Re: COVID-19 will pave the way for CBDCs on: March 28, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
In times where social distancing is a must, the way we make payments changes in its entirety. Physical cash will cease from existence, as they serve as "carriers" or "vehicles" of the deadly coronavirus "COVID-19". Governments will notice that printing more money will not be worth their time, leading them towards the creation of their very own digital currency. That is if the pandemic continues extends long enough in order to have a negative impact on the world's economy.

Considering that everything has been moving to the "online world" lately, I believe that the coronavirus pandemic will pave the way for CBDCs (Central Bank Digital Currencies) quicker than we've expected. After all, it'll be much safer to conduct transactions online (and eco-friendly too) than doing so in the physical realm. Crypto will rise like never before because of this, leading towards the accelerated development of CBDCs.

While many countries like the US and Russia are skeptical about crypto/Blockchain technology, they might change their stance once they see it's no longer worth printing physical cash. China has already been working on a CBDC solution of its own, so it's only a matter of time before it starts rolling it to the public.

What are your thoughts? Will this be the era of CBDCs? Or is it still too early to tell? Huh

You have solid points but we don't know for sure because in this situation people need cash more than anything so people are selling their asset and crypto was unstable as well even though now it's stable but we never know when it's become unstable again and who wants unstable crypto right? but I think major currency like USDT and other coins will be stable but since the government can"t trace crypto they are chance that government won"t get much tax which why they are approving crypto and crypto is one of way people are laundering their money. so you can see there are many reasons why crypto won't get CBDC but let's stay positive.
55  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese Strategy? on: March 28, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
I came across this facebook post out of nowhere, maybe someone shared it so I got to read it.
At the very first start of this coronavirus thing there are lots of conspiracy that is circulating over the internet saying that the virus is a type of biological weapon created by the China to dominate the world. It looks strange for me tho cause if they really did it then why choosing your own city to be the epicenter? but now after reading the post, the gap fills in and it's all making sense now.
The post that I am reading is lost and cannot find it anymore after the page reloaded. Anyways I finished reading it so here's what I remember.

(1)
America and Europe's stock market crashed but the China's stock market did not? Why the hell it didn't crash amidst the emergence they are having with the virus? Are they prepared for this?
(2)
There is a massive hospital in China that was built in only 3 days, come on man it's unbelievable cause they already know how these virus would impact the world, there are lots of hospital in China that can actually handle all the several patients that time. Are they prepared for this?
(3)
Why Beijing was not hit destructively? given that there are 14 days of the virus to begin showing symptoms, someone could've been traveled from Wuhan to Beijing at that time period.

Then there is a very suspicious action that Xi Jinping did
When he visited the affected areas of the virus he only wore a very basic mask, imagine doctors are wearing a suit when dealing with patients and their president is just wearing a face mask given that the virus can attached to a surface that can get you easily infected. My question is why? Did he already vaccinated with the antidote they secretly created?

Did China sacrificed its people knowing they got billions of them just to cripple their enemy's economy?
A new type of war?

I would not be surprise if one of these days China will just announce that there is already a cure.  Cool



I don't agree with you and here's why

1) If Chiana made weapon they would have attacked all targeted countries at once and I know China is capable to do this kind of attack.
2) As soon as the virus attack China lockdown all affected area but all country was busy talking their people back from the affected area which so dump decision and because of it now the whole world affected and you can't blame China on this.
3) I know everyone is surprised that China made hospital so quick but it took 7 days not 3 and we don't know what kind of hospital they have built all we hear news and if they made a hospital for the short time that means they have used like camp and as far I know China is a really powerful country with manpower and money so it's possible for them.
4) As for America is running by an entertainment guy and he always entertain as so many time. I think everyone is aware that when Iran said they have killed American soldier but America said no one was even injured and we all know later they said few of there soldiers was affected and now they blame China for Coronavirus instated taking caution and now America is affected more than China was affected.
5) When we all here about this virus we didn't take it seriously even when China was telling this virus was dangerous and because of we didn't take it seriously now doctor is crying in Italy, Spain and in many countries so we also have to take the blame for this as well.
6) And China didn"t go easy on his people and made sure everyone stayed home I think that's why they were able to overcome this but I dought China really told us real number about dead I talk to a friend who is from China and he told me daily at least 100+ died in Wuhan so I think at least 1 million people died in China but that's my guess only you can look for more info in google.

Also if I made mistake please forgive me
56  Economy / Economics / Re: Corona has killed economy of many businesses on: March 16, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
We never thought this corona will be so viral and disastrous and even I have mentioned in my previous posts downplaying the seriousness of Corona but now it has collapsed economy of many businesses except pharmacy business which have seen a spike as most of the stocks are out of stock but the restaurant and other daily operational business like tours and travel agency, malls, other event-based business, and meat shops are closed and going through massive loss.

Based on what I see many establishments in our city are now close and it also because of the Corona Virus. This virus is very devastating aside from bringing down one's economy it already kills thousands of people. This pandemic is also brought down the price of different cryptocurrency and to be honest, it really hurt my eyes whenever I see the notification on my phone that bitcoin is down and I'm sure some of the holders of bitcoin is now also facing massive loss. IMO, The longer it gets to formulate a vaccine for the virus, the higher the chance that the economy will fall especially if the country is in lockdown.

How long will it last? What's the antidote for Corona?
Right now there's still no cure or antidote but what we can do is to strengthen our immune system. That's the best we can do. Because I've read somewhere that you're own body is fighting the virus so you just need to have a strong and healthy body. Always remember to do proper hygiene and take vitamins.

Agree many people think maybe crypto is safe from coronavirus but reality is different so why crypto is also falling? answer is simple people need cash and crypto is no stable solution for us so people are keeping cash and if lockdown happens in more countries and it doesn't get better all-economy will fall and BTC might go down below 1000$.
57  Economy / Economics / Re: Corona has killed economy of many businesses on: March 16, 2020, 02:02:53 PM
We never thought this corona will be so viral and disastrous and even I have mentioned in my previous posts downplaying the seriousness of Corona but now it has collapsed economy of many businesses except pharmacy business which have seen a spike as most of the stocks are out of stock but the restaurant and other daily operational business like tours and travel agency, malls, other event-based business, and meat shops are closed and going through massive loss.

How long will it last? What's the antidote for Corona?

I think this will put a huge effect on the world since most of the world economy depends on Factory. Already a few countries in lockdown and many countries will follow the same protocol which might lead to huge economic downfall. the only business that going to make money now is pharmacy and food-related business. as for crypto, it might fall also because right now people need cash more than anything
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