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41  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paper money vs Digital currency on: August 08, 2021, 08:55:01 AM
A large majority of peoples in the world believes on paper money. They think that this is used for buying or selling goods and services. A currency which has a physically appearance in the world.
But the upcoming world is the world of  digital currency. Because it is easy and reliable way for sending and receiving money at any place in the world. We can send or receive money within minutes.
But there is a huge difference between both these two types of currencies.
So, it is very difficult that Digital currency will be adopted worldwide. Because of the users are not aware of this new technology and they are not comfortable to use this mode of payment. Because they don't believe in this technology yet.
So, how we  convince the peoples to adopt digital currency?Huh

Are you confusing the word paper money with fiat money in general? Paper money, like notes, do actually have a very important characteristic. It is not traceable and allows you to stay private and make transactions for goods and services you rather want to keep a secret. That can be many things, with lots of them having nothing to do with illegal activities. Fiat money in a bank account is probably the worst. Bitcoin, once your ID got attached to a Bitcoin address, is probably even worse than fiat in the bank account.
42  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should you own at least one Bitcoin? on: August 08, 2021, 08:51:43 AM
Stacking sats is also similar thing because accumulating more and more btc is not everyone's cup of tea due to high prices at this time.The current prices are above $40k for one bitcoin more than average salary of many so how does they accumulate btc.I understand your point of investment which is necessity to be part of bitcoin but you don't need to have exactly one coin as 0.002 btc will also be worth much in coming time.So invest what you can timely.

It does of course depend on your monthly income and probably the price and income level of the country you are from, but stacking up sats over time can definitely be a good alternative to large one time investments in many parts of the world. Sure, striving for a whole Bitcoin that way makes almost no sense at all, but it still allows people to not fully forego the opportunity to take part in the transition into a fully digital age.
43  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What hatred do people have for Bitcoin? on: August 08, 2021, 08:49:51 AM
Some folks despite the visible positive impacts of cryptocurrencies and reviews from Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk, Michael Saylor and other popular crypto advocates have refused to change their stance on it. They don't just oppose Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies but they wish it would die. For example, Buttcoin is a reddit forum where Bitcoin is "crucified" daily. In that forum, Bitcoin has been called "a scam", "a negative sum game". Also, David Gerald who is an anti-crypto activist has publicly cleared his hatred for cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology. According to him, “I think the future of cryptocurrencies is that it will become increasingly regulated and normalised. People want regulation of this because they want to know where they stand and what they can do with this sort of thing. I think that speaking technically they are junk-quality assets. They are not backed by anything they are volatile as hell. They have a price because people will pay for them and that’s all.”

My Questions now are, Why do some people hate cryptocurrency so much? What's their back story? Did they ever lose a huge amount of money in cryptocurrency?

There is popularity to be gained in taking on a stance against anything. You could also ask why there are still people who not only don't want to get vaccinated, but who also deny that Covid-19 even exists. Do all those people really believe that Covid doesn't exist? I bet no! Some do it does not exist, but some pretend to believe it does not exist because there is popularity gained from taking on that position in public. You can often see that by the extremes those positions are about (by the way, the same applies to those who believe that the world will die without Bitcoin). Covid deniers say Bill Gates wants chips in our bodies implanted with the vaccine. Anti-immigration people claim they are afraid that whole countries get slaughtered by the immigrants. Anti-cryptocurrency guys argue that our economy will fall victim to a big fat ponzi snowball imploding and to a global horde of criminals evading taxes and financing terrorism. Anti climate-change guys argue that climate-change produced by humanity is a lie even though 99.999999% of scientists around the world agree.

There is value in taking on any of these positions and often times those people who do it publicly on a large scale like a forum also monetize their opinion in the form of sold books, merchandise and other stuff.

I think we are good to go if we keep ourselves multi-perspectively informed, strive for a balanced opinion (which is not always possible as we are all individuals with subjective perceptions and sometimes stubbornness) and even try to see whether those extreme people have something useful to say from time to time. They are not wrong 100% of the time in most cases, even though it hurts to say that! Wink
44  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Best Bitcoin Quotes ... on: August 07, 2021, 11:34:27 PM
I've always been partial to this Quote by Marc Andreessen:

Bitcoin gives us, for the first time, a way for one Internet user to transfer a unique piece of digital property to another Internet user, such that the transfer is guaranteed to be safe and secure, everyone knows that the transfer has taken place, and nobody can challenge the legitimacy of the transfer. The consequences of this breakthrough are hard to overstate.

It just sums everything up in such a clear and precise way.

Indeed and the way he phrases that description also gets you thinking straight away that this technology is not only about Bitcoin alone, but about so many other things that could and probably should be organized the way he described it. Private property / digital private property is a concept that has its roots in so much academic research that the range of possible applications is almost inconceivable. It does become difficult though when externalizations like oracles come into play. That's why it is, as of yet, more suitable for digital property obviously. 
45  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should you own at least one Bitcoin? on: August 07, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Many people are considering how to invest in Bitcoin. My advice is: try to hold as many Bitcoins as possible. If you are not rich, you also need to hold at least one Bitcoin. If you don’t own one Bitcoin, It is possible that an entire era will be missed.

Why would I suggest this?

Because I think Bitcoin will rise to an unattainable price in the future. In fact, it is difficult to value Bitcoin according to traditional valuation systems and models. Because Bitcoin belongs to a completely different category of assets, I think a more accurate name should be "monetary assets". This is an asset with a very strong currency attribute, and it is also a currency with a very strong asset attribute.

It has become a consensus that the economic crisis will come back every once in a while. The reason for the financial crisis is very simple: both parties are greedy, investors' greed and bankers' greed. Greed is what it should be on Wall Street, it can almost be regarded as an obligation.

And when will the next round of crisis come? We don't know

That is serious utopia. The advice is nice and cool and so on but how in the world should it be possible for the vast majority of people to hold a whole Bitcoin? That is just not doable for at least every single person that belongs to the set consisting of "total population - 21 million people". Statistically, chances are very low you'll ever hold a whole Bitcoin. Wink
46  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin Bullish At The Moment on: August 07, 2021, 11:27:41 PM
If bitcoin is following it's last trajectory, I think we'll be back to break through 60k quite soon (within a few months).

I think $44k was strong resistance on the way down and it'll probably be strong on the way up, but the longer we stay around here, the more potential we have to break through it.

I am just asking myself whether you have ever been into any kind of markets before. How many assets do you know about that went up by over 50% within the matter of weeks, and up by hundreds of percentage points within a matter of months, and up by thousands of percentage points within a matter of a couple of years?

Is Bitcoin bullish? Cheesy Give it a guess maybe!

Yeah bitcoin is yet to close a month sold - below 50 - on the RSI via coinbase (since being listed back in 2013 at least)...

A lot of tech stocks have done like bitcoin and are still quite strong - at least stocks like amazon and Google.



No publicly available stock or any sort of asset that could be purchased by literally every single person on planet earth has performed even close to what Bitcoin has achieved, at least not to my knowledge. Amazon went up like a 180 times or so ever since it went public. There was a very good reason for Google and Amazon to go through the roof over the last 18 months.
You can take a certain time window of Bitcoin and compare it to an outstandingly performing tech stock, but how much sense does that make? I would still say that people are bullish on Bitcoin. Amazon has had set backs of 25% from time to time, but over a longer time span than Bitcoin.

You say "a lot of tech stocks", just to afterwards mention "at least" two. Tongue Wink
47  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin Bullish At The Moment on: August 06, 2021, 08:29:43 PM
As bitcoin price rise to  $42,954, which shows a bullish momentum as the market has hard a long time of correctional stage before breaking the $42k bench mark, just like I analysed last week am predicting a $45k bitcoin before the end of this week.

What are your takes on this?

I am just asking myself whether you have ever been into any kind of markets before. How many assets do you know about that went up by over 50% within the matter of weeks, and up by hundreds of percentage points within a matter of months, and up by thousands of percentage points within a matter of a couple of years?

Is Bitcoin bullish? Cheesy Give it a guess maybe!
48  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can BTC exist without Fiat? on: August 06, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
The reason for this question is "The Standard for Deffered Payment".
If I want to buy goods worth $2000 and the seller offers a Deffered means of payment. I can pay $1000 and in later months pay the balance of $1000.
Can this happen with BTC, if not now but in the future.
Maybe I want to buy goods worth 0.2 BTC, I paid 0.1BTC, in the later months can I pay the balance of 0.1BTC without paying its equivalent in fiat?
Thank you.
Bitcoin will not be valued as fiat in the future so meaning you borrow 2 bitcoin you will pay 2 bitcoin no matter how much value in fiat.

your problem is fiat problem and not cryptocurrency problem.
This is the same that happens with any other currency, if you borrow dollars instead of whatever currency your country is using then you need to pay that debt with dollars and you have to pay the interest rates in dollars as well, so I do not see why this concept is so difficult to understand in bitcoin when the same concept it is readily applied to any other currency already, maybe this happens because many people do not really see bitcoin as a currency even if that is its main function.

It depends on the terms you agree upon. When someone was to borrow my an ounce of gold, I can agree with him on whether he should pay me back an ounce of gold in, say 12 months from now or whether I want the value in USD that the ounce of gold is worth today in 12 months from now. I don't think we will get to a point where Bitcoin loses its association with fiat currencies. I might be very well wrong of course, but I just don't see that happening in our life time. Maybe that's what's going to happen generations after us, but that would also mean Bitcoin becomes the ultimate reserve currencies for any currency in the world as there will definitely be many, man cryptocurrencies after all.
49  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is more real than money in the Bank on: August 06, 2021, 08:21:27 PM
Isn't that stealing?

Yes, it is.

Government resent bitcoin because they can't control it like they did in 1971. Very soon, it will be illegal to own bitcoin in some countries, not because bitcoin is bad, but because bitcoin gives you the power to own your money. Bitcoin is more real than your money in the bank. Be your own bank by investing and learning about bitcoin.

I wouldn't say real, I would say more valuable. After all, most fiat money is digital, just like Bitcoin. The difference is that Bitcoin has increasing value due to scarcity and fiat decreasing value due to mass printing.

I wouldn't be surprised if some countries ban it, but I think it will happen to them like China when it refused to switch to the gold standard and continued with silver.


True, perhaps a more appropriate word is bitcoin is more valuable than fiat money, maybe because bitcoin can increase in value because of its scarcity, while fiat money is not. But I hope that one day bitcoin is not in the hands of the government, if that happens we can't do everything ourselves and at will.

I would argue that Bitcoin money is in fact more real. The reason being that inflation can destroy over night what you thought has some value to you the day before. We have seen that with hyperinflation where people needed millions or even billions to buy a loaf of bread. That is one going to happen when Bitcoin completely fails, gets hacked or attacked in such a way that trust will be fully destroyed. Other than that Bitcoin is indeed more real than money in the bank.
50  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Best Bitcoin Quotes ... on: August 06, 2021, 08:16:06 PM

Ironically though, Bitcoin is for literally everyone. And "everyone" means that includes the government and malicious actors. Bitcoin is an asset that revolves around freedom in the first place, and "freedom" definitely doesn't mean only the moral and ethical people will take advantage of it.

The first system of its kind that is without any kind of reservations or limits open to everyone. We have heard the sentence so often from politicians that stuff is being done in the name of the people for the people, but that doesn't quite come across like that or can be perceived as such considering the effects many policies have. With Bitcoin this changed quite a bit although the fees are kind of a limitation for some places in the world to really participate in the system to their benefit. That has to change as well.
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52  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Safety on: July 24, 2021, 08:04:36 PM
You're minimizing the number of attack vectors by the choices of wallet that you make.

An air-gapped hardware wallet would probably suffice for most uses. Air-gapped wallets are secure because you're eliminating the most common attack vector; malware or rather the way for malware to communicate. The problem being that most users don't know how to properly set up and maintain one. As with the side-channel attacks, secp256k1 has properties that minimizes leaks with the side-channel so it isn't that great of a concern. Side-channel attacks are generally far more expensive and requires more technical expertise.

Why would side-channel attacks be far more expensive? I get the point that it requires a lot more expertise, but once you have the expertise, I don't think it is that expensive is it? Of course, it does depend on the type of side-channel attack, but what about this one?

"https://hackaday.com/2019/09/13/side-channel-attack-shows-vulnerabilities-of-cryptocurrency-wallets/"

You could argue it is expensive to set up, but once it is set up you could use it for as long as it is feasible.
53  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is more real than money in the Bank on: July 24, 2021, 07:58:32 PM


Few years after forcing everyone to take their gold to the bank, the US president, Nixon in 1971 stopped everyone from having the right to convert their gold to fiat. Isn't that stealing? Government resent bitcoin because they can't control it like they did in 1971. Very soon, it will be illegal to own bitcoin in some countries, not because bitcoin is bad, but because bitcoin gives you the power to own your money. Bitcoin is more real than your money in the bank. Be your own bank by investing and learning about bitcoin.


https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/gold-convertibility-ends



The thing that makes anyone interested in using bitcoin is anonymity, security and of course full control, this is not in fiat which is too dependent on the bank when making transactions. the other side that makes banks afraid of bitcoin, of course, is that there is no need for storage services such as administrative fees at the bank.

I doubt anonymity is the reason why people use Bitcoin as Bitcoin isn't anonymous. You should know that by now! Wink If they were really looking for anonymity, they would rather use Monero or any other coin with anonymity tech implemented.
54  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is more real than money in the Bank on: July 23, 2021, 07:03:08 PM
I am trying to understand what you mean. Real in your perspective looks like "controlling it". I don't know if it is a proper term or not, but as Bitcoin is decentralized, it cannot be controlled by anyone or any institution. What the US president did in 1971 may be caused by an urgent matter, so we can understand it. This has a pro and contra side. The government can easily control national finance with a centralized system. But this also gives an opportunity for manipulation by the government itself. While for a decentralized Bitcoin will be difficult to handle by the government in an urgent situation. But it is more transparent for society. Both have advantages and disadvantages.


We shouldn't rule out the possibility that Bitcoin can be manipulated, it could be as well of course. Rich people could bribe the miners, just one example. Bitcoin is still important because it offers anyone an exit option from the system he or she is currently residing in. That alone has tremendous value and means competition to nation states.
55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can BTC exist without Fiat? on: July 23, 2021, 07:00:50 PM
I think that one day we eventually will move to a fully electronic payments system for fiat, and maybe that's bitcoin and maybe it's not, but I think it's inevitable being that we are already almost there ( credit cards for example ). I however don't think that we will be getting rid of our fiat currency anytime soon.  Andreas Antonopoulos stated a year or so ago in one of his talks that he doesn't see bitcoin replacing fiat, but that they are most likely going to work in conjunction with each other.  I happen to have the same train of thought.  I am not sure exactly how that is going to happen, but it certainly is seemingly the most likely scenario, at least in the short term.
I see that point and yeah it's already happening, most of the time when you do shopping or buying your groceries you don't need to bring fiat with you, with the help of digital methods you can easily use your cards to pay your bills.

Though, like what you have said it takes time if in case that government around the world will consider bitcoin as alternative system, so far with those digital types of currencies crypto/bitcoin is not one of the top priorities.

only time can tell if that will happened, let us enjoy that they are co-existing to benefits more people.

Cashless payments are already running now, because they are considered very effective, and there is no need to carry cash anywhere. For Bitcoin
to be accepted as a payment alternative in all countries in the world it takes a long time, because for now in some countries, Bitcoin is still considered
a threat, because it cannot be controlled. But with time many countries will realize the importance of accepting Bitcoin. The conclusion is that
it is impossible for Bitcoin to exist without fiat, because the government will not allow this to happen. The most reasonable thing is that Bitcoin
and fiat co-existing, if this happens, many people will feel the ease of conducting financial transactions.


Bitcoin's market cap would have to be so huge that it could act as a unit of account, seriously, probably at least 10 or 20x from where we are. If you value stuff in Bitcoin, you are also running into the threat of prices getting manipulated by whales. Bitcoin won't exist alone, there will be other currencies that it somehow relates to, hence there is always room for manipulation.
56  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Crypto bans are temporary, we are on the right side of history. on: July 21, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
I guess most of you have noticed the rise in the number of banks and Financial commissions and Governments in different countries announcing bans on crypto purchases using banks, crypto exchanges, and in some case Bitcoin mining crackdowns. From UK to Japan, Canada (Ontario) to China, but one thing for sure is all those attempts can't stop a force that has already gained momentum. It only signals that the Bitcoin movement is going down the right path of history.

They want to have control of how people spend and transact but with Bitcoin and other cryptos, they are powerless, that's why they are not happy.

In 1996, the regulatory bodies tried to ban Internet phone software, the rest is history  Grin


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While this can be comparable but i believe Crypto is far different from telephone/internet banning because this involves financial usages and not just service .
Means if ever this will be adopted then the economy is more prone from anything more than just the internet and telephone .

It still describes very well the point that banning something for your citizens which will turn into a major global decentralized network must be a temporary move. How are you going to explain to your citizens that they are not supposed to participate in an otherwise open network that is used by all other people around the globe? While this was for communication, it was quite the same.

Now it is about exchanging value in a decentralized way, so it will be even harder for governments to keep up their bans.
57  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can BTC exist without Fiat? on: July 21, 2021, 08:13:23 PM
it's true what you said comrade, bitcoin can't be controlled by anyone, but bitcoin I think is very dependent on fiat currency, bitcoin was created to complement one another, I think bitcoin will be very difficult to develop if it is not supported by fiat currency, because now we can't buy rice with bitcoin in some countries..
It's actually very independent from fiat. If it existed before without having any USD value, it could easily exist today totally independent from it the same way USD can live without BTC. It's just that it's so much easier to see and find its value based on a stable currency, but that doesn't make it dependent to anything. At the end of the day, if you think a kg of potato is worth .1mBTC, you can sell it for that much as long as there is demand and as long as you think it truly is worth that much. The fact that 1 kg of potato is worth 3.1 USD makes your .1mBTC automatically be worth 3.1 USD, otherwise people'd take advantage of the difference in prices until it goes stable anyway.. so these things are indirectly linked BUT independent!
What is happening is that since the US dollar is the current wold currency then it makes sense that everything Is valued and compared against it, after all it is not as if other currencies are not compared against it all the time, so it is natural the same happens with bitcoin, so this is not something that people should worry about as it is completely natural, however we could come to the point in which the opposite is the truth and the value and the price of everything is compared against bitcoin instead of using the dollar for this.

I think valuing it against Bitcoin probably won't work. Maybe it could be a basket of cryptocurrency, but since Bitcoin is so volatile and we have no tools for monetary policy to stabilize it, valuing things against Bitcoin is unconceivable at the moment. As with gold, I doubt that Bitcoin will ever lose its volatility. It will become less volatile, but still too volatile to be the only crypto that goods and services are valued against.
58  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is more real than money in the Bank on: July 21, 2021, 08:10:51 PM
As in the opening post governments can take any kind of decision to stop people from using bitcoin. Governments always want to keep the people within control, and being digital lets government have easier access in keeping everything under control. But, for some reason governments weren't able to keep bitcoin same as gold or other assets.

However, the government will always act to be a regulator and who wants centralization.  After all, only governments really want the current centralized financial system, even though crypto is developing, it is still regulated and thwarted by old-minded governments. Not all countries will accept BTC even now they are still raising the issue of CBDC as a crypto coin competitor.

I wouldn't say it was only governments who wanted a centralized currency. In fact for as long as we didn't have reliable technology, having a banking system with centralized issuance of currency and regulatory oversight was the best we could get. We didn't have an alternative and for the time being it worked just fine in many countries. Now that we have the alternative a real discussion and learning process was set free and it shows that decentralized systems can have very strong advantages over centralized systems. As for the title of this thread, yes, the money in the bank doesn't exist while the Bitcoin you have to private key are indeed there. They can't magically disappear or be created out of thin air. 
59  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Safety on: July 20, 2021, 09:13:38 PM
Crypto holders have already been the target for hackers for a long time, you don't need 6-figure Bitcoin price to have that.

I personally never saw any posts that say that their airgapped wallet has been hacked. If it ever happened, it's incredibly rare. While relying on an antivirus to protect your hot wallet is definitely not reliable. You can never get the perfect thing, but you should be striving to get the best thing possible, which in this case is an airgapped machine or a hardware wallet.

I wonder, how do hackers attack you if they don't know you? They do need some data first about you don't they? As long as you don't fall for traps, don't click infected links or share specific information about your IP address, is there any way for them to blindly identify and attack you?
60  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who to Trust, Fiat Banks or BTC? on: July 20, 2021, 09:11:55 PM

At the moment I have to trust the bank. Because within the scope of the law, it protects the safety of my funds. But I don’t believe it completely. I turned part of my assets into Bitcoin. I can switch freely when my friends need funds without being regulated by the country and bank regulations.
if you can do both, why should you choose one Smiley because both have their own advantages and disadvantages, because basically I think both have their own benefits and are very beneficial both in daily life and in the future.
because fiat still dominates in social life so like it or not we have to follow so as not to be clumsy in real life, on the other hand bitcoin is one of the investment tools for a bright future that we can take advantage of from now on

Banks started out similarly. It was not like they were the safest place to store your money right from the beginning. There was accounting fraud in the early days and even today. There was forgery and theft and so on. Over time they developed into a safe place with supervision from yet another institution, namely auditing. Bitcoin will need development on many fronts, and in particular when it comes to wallet practicability and security. Give it some time and we will see more and more people feel comfortable enough to take the risk that then might still be left.
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