ssaCEO is obviously very educated and brings up some very good points.  I have looked into these issues myself and lead a double or triple life.  That's all I'm going to say for now. Each one of the lives is good, harms no one, and is for good purpose, but there are reasons for separating them.

There are ways around this ring of commercial maritime law enslavement... but it's quite a bit to take on and your head might explode when you start to unravel the knots of the illusion..

I recommend these books if you want to take your head for a spin:

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Secrets-Breaking-Spiritual-Commercial/dp/0980925533/ref=pd_sim_b_1
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Secrets-Taking-Financial-Spiritual/dp/0980925541/ref=pd_sim_b_3

My review:

The fact that I am the first reviewer of this book either means that it is very new (I believe it was printed in 2008) or that people just aren't finding it because there are about 1000 other books that begin with "the book of secrets: yada yada some other subject".

This one, The Book of Secrets: Breaking The Chains Of Your Spiritual And Commercial Bondage (Volume 1), is about exactly that - first learning how most of the world lives in a fear based manipulated sheeple bondage state - how hierarchical systems, the media, the banking system, the private federal reserve, and the courts perpetuate this bondage state, and also this book covers monetary theory in great detail. Money is not really money at all, it has no value and is actually debt, backed against human capital - mainly YOU and your children, or anyone who has a birth certificate and even worse if you have a SS# or whatever #ID system dominates your part of the world. Many are now chipped or have chips in their drivers licenses and your cell phone is basically the same thing. But lets not get paranoid here.  This is about awakening and freeing, not more fear.

If you have gone down the dark road of studying monetary theory, you will most likely already know a lot of the material presented here, but this author presents it in a unique way, as a fictional narrative about someone who has ridden the corporate ladder, scraped and cheated his way to the top, and is disgusted with it all and his life and how the rat race never seems to end. This probably sounds like a lot of people you know, or maybe it sounds like you. This person meets an older man one night and forms a friendship, and as Morpheus does to Neo, this friend gives him a choice of 'knowing' what is really going on if he wants to. The main character in the book does want to know, and takes what we would say is the red pill.

If this is your first venture into such material, this may be a bit too much for you. You may not really be interested or prepared to hear about reiki healing or 'light beings' or just how ridiculously entrenched and deep the rabbit hole of control of people through banking, debt, propaganda and religion goes. You might want to put the book down and go, "oh come on... this is too much!!!" but if you do your fact checking, you will see that most of what the author reveals in this book has already been revealed and is in fact verifiable - at least in as far as the commercial code bondage goes. If you are not a spiritual (not religious - the author dislikes  religion and outs it for what it is, another control mechansim) person, you may have a hard time with some of this stuff, and if you are a devout catholic you will probably think Satan wrote this book. I assure you he did not, because he does not exist, at least not in the way the bible claims he does. If Satan does exist, he/she is simply another mask of God, and I'm not talking about old man white beard God. I'm talking about ALL, I'm talking about you - because ultimately all are ONE, and that is what this, and many other books are trying to get at, that so many people have a hard time getting.

I still recommend you read the book. Even if you're not quite ready to understand that you are GOD - as is everyone and everything else... well, then, skip that part and keep reading whatever holy book of stink you have been brainwashed to worship, but DO look into the monetary theory and history of banks seizing control and reporting to even larger organizations all the way up to the Vatican. Do your own homework and cross reference and check the actual laws, codes, court documents, and other books this book refers to. I already knew most of this stuff before reading this book but I had gathered it out of 20 or so other books and documents in pieces. This book really goes right to the meat and potatoes of what's going on and it may just be overwhelming for a neophyte to becoming aware of the world, the manipulators, but do not despair - ultimately you have much more control you have over your life than you might think.

That's what I enjoy most about this book. Unlike a lot of the other material I have read that has covered some of this stuff. I have studied monetary theory and this book is accurate on the subject - money is an illusion, and is actually debt fiat currency backed against your labor - but what do the banks put up for your labor? Nothing, they create money out of thin air - so, if you default on your loan say 10 years into it, you LOSE all that hard work you put into it, and the bank gets your house, but what does the bank put up that is equal to all your work? Nothing... a piece of paper... they type some numbers into their computer grid system and now you owe them that money or they get the house, car, or whatever else you put up as collateral. The bank itself puts up no real collateral, no real money, nothing of any true worth, they really do nothing except expertly perpetuate a system that is HIGHLY advantageous for them and highly disadvantageous for you, but they are so slick that they make you believe they are doing otherwise. It's an amazing powerful scam that started out with good intentions and turned into a corrupted power grab that spans the entire globe, controlled by three monetary districts that are their own countries not subject to the laws the common man is - but this book starts to explain to you the difference between your traped slave "strawman" incorporated name in all caps such as JOHN DUMB DOE that is basically an employee for the corporation known as the UNITED STATES, and the real natural human being you - that is SOVEREIGN and subject only to the laws of GOD and the universe, not the laws of banks. That natural human being actual uses their name as John Smart Doe, and the law DOES distinguish between the two. You'll notice on all your bank accounts and credit cards YOUR NAME IS IN ALL CAPS and that's not by accident. Of course, just knowing this does not mean you can instantly declare yourself SOVEREIGN and be done with it - you will be labeled a lunatic or have to go live on Sealand. BUT, there are things you can too to disentangle from the grid.

Also, when I say GOD here, I am not getting religious either, I mean GOD as however you define it. To me, it means all or one or infinite creative energy. I am not religious. Religion is another scam to put a middle man between you and your inner infinite creative divinity. Religion is here to part you away from your inner God / Goddess co creator spirit, and to yank some more cash and guilt out of you at the same time!

Now please don't start posting silly things like I must be a satanist or occultist playing with demons to say what I am saying and recommend this book. I am me, I am, and you are you, you are, but we are the same thing. It's such a simple thing but it takes many people a loooooong time to get. My hope is that this book can help some of you get it faster. I give it a 4 out of 5 because some of the writing gets a bit hokey and it jumps around unevenly between tons of information and then a lot of babble with the fictional story part... the characters also seem to be cracking open another wine or beer every other page - as if that is the only way to relax or wind down while having a good chat.  

That being said, these are minor quibbles that probably come from the author's background - but the information delivered here is still of great value, and can be checked out and verified by many sources, but don't take my word for it - you take the red pill yourself and YOU WAKE UP.

I already have.

See you on the other side,

- Blackout -

LOL!

saphhire - sounds great but you don't take U.S. players.. (cry)  which i don't quite understand yet since bitcoin is non regulated

I agree the games could be clones.

evoorhees or anyone else - the best we can do now is XBOX Live version of Monopoly.  I've played a few friends for bitcoins
and it's rather fun. One of us hold the bitoins in escrow and just sends to the winner.

Monopoly Streets is great for this...  only up to 4 players though.

XBOX Live Tag: Blackouts Box

Awww man I came up with the idea and you don't even include my quote in the thread!

Tis ok I forgive you.

Actually, this would be a great programming project, create a bunch of standard board games or board game clones
that can be run in multiplayermode on the web and played for bitcoins.  So you could challenge your friend or friends to monopoly with X amount of BTC from each player in the pot.  You could do this with monopoly, risk, stratego, yahtzee, chess, scrabble,
pretty much anything.  I guess the site that provides this would hold the coins in escrow as the game is played so there would need to be some trust there but I'm sure trust could be built up over time as people could start playing with just micro amounts until the site builds up some reputation.

Bctontilt poker room has been doing fairly well, so I imagine a site like this would do fairly well, but I'm not a programmer.

Ideally, a good system other that the true free anarchist state with no to minimal government would be a combination of free market capitalism combined with some socialism.

Before you start screaming, let me explain:

As we have seen - The United States is supposedly free republic run on a free market capitalism system,  but with the introduction of the corporation as a legal fictional 'person' - capitalism at some point leads to corporatism where large wealthy corporations and plutocrats yield so much power that they basically turn the system into a forced type of socialism by the very force of their influence and slow take over of government from the needs of "the people" and the free market to the wants of the corporations which then manipulates and skews the market - and so it is no longer a truly free market.  We can see this in the trend of board members getting mega million dollar paychecks for companies performing terribly. In a true free market system these board members would be fired not rewarded.  So the capitalism system can eventually become a reverse leach system where the super rich slowly transfer wealth from, while also off loading debt to the actual working class.  This is happening right now.

Also - not all systems should be for profit.  Some public systems should be considered social needs and therefor not run privately for profit and even incur some losses if need be for the good of the public and community.

Examples: firehouses & firefighters. If they were run solely privately and for profit (which they were at one time)...  very bad decisions could be made such as "that fire is not profitable for us to put out" or, you don't agree to our new raise in monthly dues? Your house went on fire, haha too bad for you.

The insurance industry is a huge scam as well and needs more control and overview. If it were fully private you could go and take out a policy on someone else's house burning down and of course this would lead to a very bad conflict of interest since it would be in your interest and you would profit if your neighbors house you took a policy out on burned down.  This seems like a common sense law to make and it is not allowed currently, yet, this goes on all the time on wall street with ridiculous derivatives on derivatives and basically "profitable bets on failure" that offer certain individuals no motive to perform well for the stock holders they are supposed to represent.  This should be outlawed, but hey, it's good old blooded capitalism right?

But back to the damage of fully free market social systems and why they shouldn't be.  Bad news: This can and did happen. The firehouses and firemen should be considered a socialistic type system as the public utilities.  Some argue that private utilities would induce better quality utilities but this argument never holds water because all companies are responsible for are to make profit not to make good product so the same thing would most likely happen to utilities that have happened to many many big corporations.  In order for the top to squeeze out more profit, terrible decisions are made and quality becomes inferior. What's to stop companies from selling polluted water to offload from one of their other factories? In some sense this is already going on with flouridation in water.  This was NOT a decision made for health benefit as many would like to believe but by tricky lobbyists who wanted a way to turn a deadly liability (how to get rid of toxic flouride - a byproduct of many industrial activities) into a profit - "we'll sell it to the government and put it in the water!"

Nothing stops corporations from doing the wrong thing because they are like zombies, zombies only want brains and corporations only want profit - money, at any cost without consideration to the good of the community or humanity as a whole because corporations are considered people under the law or "Persons", not Natural Persons (real human beings). So basically corporations have no brain, no heart, no consciousness, no conscious, no responsibility, and should never have been given this status of a person. More foul play and damage has been caused by this than anything else.

True uncontrolled capitalism, if it could work, would only work with individuals, not with corporations in play.  Once corporations come into play, some form of socialism has already begun at that point.

A true government of the people by the people and for the people would allow the socialization of some utilities because these few things are in the commonwealth of all.  Water processing plants should not be run for profit, but a general function of government for the people with checks on quality by the people. Police should not be for profit. We can see what is happening  to our for profit police and jail systems which have been privatized.  More police are not doing their duty of upholding the constitution and protecting citizens but rather doing the duty of collecting revenue in the form of issuing as many tickets as possible.  Jails are private for profit systems and have a quota and an incentive to be filled as it's good for the jail / enforcement "business" bottom line - but not good for the people when half of the people in jail are there for trivial or non violent crimes while the "enforcers" continue to commit crimes but get immunity or a "get out of jail free card" from their buddies.

The game 'Monopoly' was made to teach true capitalism with no restraints. One person ends up owning the board - and then collapse - the game is over, as there is no one left to get money from therefore making the money worthless, and it all goes back in the box.  Game over.

Total socialism, ends pretty much the same way.

So in or to avoid total collapse, I believe professor plum, in the study, with the candlestick, must study history and see that a combination of the two are needed with priority always being towards individual liberty, with minimal government to oversee peaceful commonwealth systems only.

 

In Monopoly of the future, will there be a:

"Bitcoin error in your favor, collect $4000 dollars"

because of this?

Google has not shut you down?

This is fascinating....
 
I await the one month charge back rate.....

This is what I'm talking about - and even you verify it.  For us NON linux people how could we prevent the exact scenario you are talking about?  How does one scan for a 'hidden admin account' or make sure none of that exists.

You did this to provide a secure way of using bitcoin and it seems you've done a really great job so why not finalize it by helping people understand how to be 100% safe?

I know you don't have to, I'm not trying to be a nag on a free service you provided.  Once I get a grip on this thing I will donate and I'm sure others would be more inclined to donate for your time to know beyond a shadow of a doubt no such things as you mentioned above exist.

I'm also a little confused with persistence.. I have a 8 gb flash drive....   I installed linuxcoin.... it runs on my desktop with a ati 5830 but not on my laptop with a 5870m.

but then it said the 'ring' ran out of room/space....  I was a little confused with the root account.. loging off loging on (I'm reading the other thread all the way through) this is specifically the windows thread I guess. Also... do the unsecure bitcoin and secure share the same wallet.dat or are they two separate wallets?

Hope these questions aren't too retarded and again thanks for chiming in.

- Blackout

This is what I use with very good results.

I appreciate your candor, and I do like what you've done.

It won't seem to run on my laptop (msi gx660 r win 7 64bit ati 5870m)

it says something X can't find the disp[lay device or something to that effect?

Any suggestions?

Also... as to the secure and unsecure versions... do they conflict and use the same wallet.dat file?

Hi...

Runs on my win 7 desktop but on my laptop crashes and says something X could not find graphics hardware then I am dumped into the linux dir

I am on a msi gx 660r  win 7 64bit    usb 3.0   ati 5870 mobility

Again Mr Doctor Green I am not saying you put anything in there, nor would I know what to look for if you did open up the code before compiled for someone to look at - I would have to trust some of my slightly geekier than me friends or the linux community in general to check it out.   I'm just saying for 100% absolute certainty it would be nice to have the third party verification.  Then evryone could feel totally confident.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people writing free bitcoin utilities that try and steal the wallet.dat keys and send them off.  They may may not touch it.  They might sit on it for years.

I like what you've done here. I would just like 100% certainty on the code part.  Any human error on my part is my problem.

This is the point Cato

You can command quiet a premium for convenience to the 'regular joe people' user base.
They heard about bitcoin in a passing news or magazine article and want one and no way are they going to
start mining or transferring funds through three different places to get one so where do they go?

Ebay?

"I want to get some of these."

Just how Disney World charges $25 for a .50 shirt and people gladly pay it.

The definition of a good sale is when both parties are happy.

It would be foolish for a person aware of current market rate and knowledgeable about bitcoin to
go through ebay.  That is not the market.  If you're watching any of the rates or charts pages you are not the market I am talking about.

Haven't tried craigslist... it has turned to shit mostly saturated with spamomatica.

Gillette came out with Occam's Mach 3 Turbo EXTREME Razor which is a little more complex and has more moving philosophies than its predecessor for a much closer shave in thought. 

I think you just did, but I will ask as well.

drG33n!!!!

Can you open up the code?

I tried shaving with Occam's Razor and I cut myself.

That's all good and nice. But if it can't be examined openly to make sure there are no back doors, it doesn't matter if it is used for 1 day or 10 years... the option is there that an unknown installed program that cannot be examined could copy and send off wallet.dat files or keys.

It most likely does not.  I am not saying it does.   I'm just asking if there is some way of having CERTAINTY.. not just...
"nothing bad has happened yet"

Before the MtGox disaster, you could use the same logic to say "MtGox is perfectly safe, because people have been using it and no one has complained."

Seems a bit much for a measly 512 coins.  If they were going to try and pull that scam might as well claim the whole exchange was lost.  Plus didn't he say they were covering the loss?

Does that not put this theory to rest?

I am aware of the Windows and google wholes. I like Windows 7 and hate the evil of google with a passion. I use it but of course I don't run my secret ops to take over the world with my hat strategic system on my Win 7 box or chrome.  I keep that specifically on an isolated and secure commodore 64. You really only need 48k to take over the world.

As far as bitcoins I keep some minor amounts on my Windows machine for convienience but my major thousands and thousands and thousands I keep inside of a usb keychain the hangs on my vicious man eating boxer dog:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zj6_Q6qFU

And using gmail is for idiots.

I have 8 and can push most of them to 330 mhash without needing to go to 1040 but at 1030 they are around there 328
bit strangely I have learned the two that are actually in the 1st agp slot and used as a display need to be clocked a little lower  around 960-970 max.

Also, another odd thing is a notice running them at max doesn't really pay... at least not on elgius where I am currently mining, when I drop the clock to about 1020 and 320 mem and aggression levels 1 number dif for each card, like 9, 8,7,6 from the furthest out card to the display card in slot one being lowest aggression I get astoundingly better hash rates from the averages reported by elgius (which is what matters) over what mhash my cards say they are doing.