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I think that depends on whether the Grinch owns Urocoin  the grinch has always wanted to ruin Christmas to have all presents for himself. |
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you are just little kids waiting for xmas
that makes you the grinch the grinch always looses!  |
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SAME EMPTY ANSWERS I GET FROM EVERY DAMN PERSON IN THIS THREAD AND SUPPORTING URO. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY THAT INVOLVES AN ANSWER THEN PLEASE STFU.
So are you trying to ask a question or just trying to nicely FUD? People took time to answer your question, while they have answered it 100 times before also in this thread. At least you could show some respect to them, as they did for you. Man I finally realized what's going on, it's an interrogation. They want to see if we change our story and so far it's not working. most answers were the same stupid answers over and over again like above by bitcycle. idiots who dont want to know the truth. I did edit (before anyone responded) my post to mention its not directed to those with real reasonable answers. But to those like bitcycle who instead of trying to find an answer or provide one say stuff like "you dont like it move on" which is the answer of a ignorant person who is probably not smart enough to understand the structure but wants to believe thinking they will get rich. I am not in the mood for stupid when i spent over an hour asking the same question to someone who is supposed to represent this investment. AGAIN I HAVE 0 DOLLARS TO INVEST. I AM NOT HERE AS AN INVESTOR OR SOMEONE WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT FUDDING UP OR DOWN THE PRICE. I am here as someone who cares. Someone who has watched numerous people go completely broke investing in stupid shit like pandacoin. I seek the truth, that is all. Sleep i must. Really dont care what anyone thinks I will continue this search for the truth until i find it. I have tried and tried to believe in this project not once seeing some legit proof or reasonable plan to assume its going to get there. Dont believe me? check the price of uro? Last I checked its still going down and noone is investing. Please explain why its going to magically jump up MASSIVELY to match prices? Even in a years time why or how?! Explain to me why the company will start accepting URO for UREA? Why would they? Whats the point? Again I have yet to see any proof of delivery (this is not unreasonable if you think there excuse is reasonable then your blind). I also have yet to see proof of concept that is reasonable (again if you believe it is you are riding belief NOT proof) I really need sleep so stop responding within 30 seconds of my submission lol ALSO +1 to elkrisi and -1 again to bitcycle. WHY DONT YOU NEED ANY PROOF? you really are an idiot if you really think there will be additional support will form and push the price up without SOMETHING!?!? REALLY?!?! Then UREA suppliers are just going to hop on and sell all there UREA for URO at rock bottom prices for what reason again?! or GES is going to buy up all the URO and make the price even??? oh wait they havent done that yet?!?!? why not?! because they dont have the money to and its NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Again I WANT to believe. I choose to be intelligent and look at it. Bitcycle and anyone like you, you are being ignorant. i think its better for you to stay out of this coin, its not as safe investment as you need :S, because the answers you got are the answers that are. |
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If you can't figure out how a particular coin works, don't own it.
It's that simple. Goes for any coin. If it doesn't make sense to you, don't buy it. Sell it if you already own it.
Then move on.
Your problems are then all solved.
I agree, 1000 times already explained as everything works if you can't understand, pass by. wow really did you guys even read my posts?! you are the people that i am talking about and trying to protect! Corather you are too! I cant believe how many people are following this coin and not seeing this. I get the exact same responses from EVERY SINGLE URO SUPPORTER. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS A REASONABLE EXPLANATION. NOT ONE. Im going to bed now I hope I get a real response by the time I wake up. This is insanity. Its like reverse fud or something LOL. WHAT MECHANICS ARE IN PLACE THAT WILL MAKE THE PRICE GO UP?!?!?! This is my question?!?! WHERE will this demand you speak of come from?!?!?! ALL REASONABLE QUESTIONS. Now that corather knows im poor he thinks they shouldnt waste time answering my questions. I dont like speaking with people who scream racist slurs over frustration anyways (past events im not a part of but I do not support). You cant hold your cool and have no respect so you shouldn't be responding regardless. Your words are largely ignored due to your ignorance and I am never going to take your advice. Can someone related to URO or with a reasonable answer regarding my question please step forward? Would be happy to converse about this I am not looking to be told "not to invest" or "go away if you dont like it". This is a place to ask these types of reasonable questions. Where else shall it be asked? Twitter? as you can see that didn't work out for me. There are no mechanics like buying everything under xx or the like, its simple, customers will come, customers will buy, all the way to a point in which the price is higher than now, secondly the calving, 95% mining reduction in 3 months. after 3 months the coins bought by buyer will be out of market untill reintroduced by the NIER's, and the reintroduction of coins will be something like 250 per day. "but what are the mechanics, is ges working on getting those customers?" well, i cant say that they are as i am not them, but they already got 3 customers to buy 37k uro to customers, so i would say they are getting customers into uro market, and within the community there are also people working on this, so this is how it will happen if it happens. |
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I have tried and tried to believe. I can only tell people something is legit and they should invest if I feel I have intelligently looked at what is expected to happen and how its expected to get there. I feel I was ran around a bush like 100 times and ended up with no further knowledge. https://twitter.com/UroFoundation/status/499091979561480194Now waiting for a response that must be calculated because its taking awhile. but I have a feeling this endless circle will end with them telling me nothing and me going to bed. This is not fud I want the truth. I want to believe. If this post is deleted it will be exposed. WHAT is so hard about this question: How will URO ever meet UREA prices. How will it possibly stay there? If say farmers want to buy more URO to hold onto but cant because the price would go up unreasonably how to keep the price down? Vice Versa how to even get the price up to begin with? How is this not a reasonable question? It may seem complicated but really its not I asked for just one real solution The closest I got to an answer was pointing to protocols and ratifications as the reasoning. Like I mentioned in the tweets the ratifications are not even notarized so what are there purpose? They are completely useless pieces of information. The protocol is quite literally just a sales arrangement that in no way enforces that the price of uro will increase. Nor does it in any way benefit GES to sell UREA for URO at this time as even if the price were to match they would only even out, not gain profit. Even if they assume urea prices will increase how could the benefits possibly outway the risk? Theres no way! Unless they can afford to invest in uro themselves. Sell the urea themselves and completely control the market (making it centralized and pointless) I dont foresee URO EVER matching prices. PLEASE someone explain to me how this will happen? I have managed to have a smart discussion with CANN devs and got a reasonable answer as to how they plan to make weed backed currency. Why is URO so much more difficult? Why cant they come up with a reasonable plan that someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence can understand? Right now I think people are just blind by the fact that they want to get rich. The reward is high enough that its worth the risk to some. All I want is a reasonable answer to this question and I will be happy to support URO. You see me support CANN daily. Why cant I support URO? because I cant get a real answer So Mastermind, i will try to answer you according to my knowledge of the project, i am not Dev, nor in the Dev team, just a very active comunity member. How will URO ever meet UREA prices. How will it possibly stay there? If say farmers want to buy more URO to hold onto but cant because the price would go up unreasonably how to keep the price down? Vice Versa how to even get the price up to begin with? How is this not a reasonable question? It may seem complicated but really its not I asked for just one real solution So, the answer to this question is no one knows, if it was known then price would be equal or the same as Urea in the market, the current price reflects uncertainty and lack of liquidity, however the important factor in my opinion is not within farmers or crypto traders, the price will be brought (if it happens) by importers and commodity traders, and the increase of importers demanding to use URO would keep the price up by buying the dump and sell walls as its convinient for them. why hasn't it happened yet? well, because its been one month since the go live and the trade usually takes from 60 - 90 days furthermore most observing importers are waiting to see the first arrival in order to make their move. The difference is that, URO is more complex than cann due to its price, i mean you cant UREA without several hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for shipping for example, there is production time after the purchase to consider and many other details that accumulate into a pretty big coordination and expense effort. does it mean its not happening ? absolutely not, things are happening, they just happen at real world speed and not at crypto speed, you wont see a ship arriving anytime soon, rivaa probably wont publish its arrival considering the harassment they received when they published that they did the order, and for sure no one will publish it, price will just go up as in normal real life growth this is my opinion, i can tell you things are happening, but if you are worried about your money, simply dont buy any and wait till the price starts raising. PD: never expend more than you can afford to loose, always recover initial investment when is a good moment and if you want participate in the community This is funny because this is probably the 5th person who supports URO that has said to me the SAME THINGS. Basically all supporters JUST BELIEVE. Then they tell me well if your worried about it just dont invest. I have 0 dollars to invest. I am not a investor, I am a poor miner who cant afford his power bill let alone the crypto to invest in. I missed out on every possibility of getting a big chunk (dogecoin, litecoin boom, most any profit i missed it by mining the wrong thing or saving the wrong time). I am simply here as a concerned person who currently holds a massive 2 URO coin. So do I matter? Probably not but the questions I ask matter if people like you who refuse to find the answers expect to ever get a return. I seek truth and exploit it for absolutely NO monetary gains: https://twitter.com/BitEXtra/status/495379812610211842Its not really belief imo, its more of an assessed risk regarding the information i have at hand, its just a risky project but still interesting enough to keep me connected for quite a long time now  , if you want some more info drop by at #uro @freenode and i will gladly talk with you in depth. |
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I have tried and tried to believe. I can only tell people something is legit and they should invest if I feel I have intelligently looked at what is expected to happen and how its expected to get there. I feel I was ran around a bush like 100 times and ended up with no further knowledge. https://twitter.com/UroFoundation/status/499091979561480194Now waiting for a response that must be calculated because its taking awhile. but I have a feeling this endless circle will end with them telling me nothing and me going to bed. This is not fud I want the truth. I want to believe. If this post is deleted it will be exposed. WHAT is so hard about this question: How will URO ever meet UREA prices. How will it possibly stay there? If say farmers want to buy more URO to hold onto but cant because the price would go up unreasonably how to keep the price down? Vice Versa how to even get the price up to begin with? How is this not a reasonable question? It may seem complicated but really its not I asked for just one real solution The closest I got to an answer was pointing to protocols and ratifications as the reasoning. Like I mentioned in the tweets the ratifications are not even notarized so what are there purpose? They are completely useless pieces of information. The protocol is quite literally just a sales arrangement that in no way enforces that the price of uro will increase. Nor does it in any way benefit GES to sell UREA for URO at this time as even if the price were to match they would only even out, not gain profit. Even if they assume urea prices will increase how could the benefits possibly outway the risk? Theres no way! Unless they can afford to invest in uro themselves. Sell the urea themselves and completely control the market (making it centralized and pointless) I dont foresee URO EVER matching prices. PLEASE someone explain to me how this will happen? I have managed to have a smart discussion with CANN devs and got a reasonable answer as to how they plan to make weed backed currency. Why is URO so much more difficult? Why cant they come up with a reasonable plan that someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence can understand? Right now I think people are just blind by the fact that they want to get rich. The reward is high enough that its worth the risk to some. All I want is a reasonable answer to this question and I will be happy to support URO. You see me support CANN daily. Why cant I support URO? because I cant get a real answer So Mastermind, i will try to answer you according to my knowledge of the project, i am not Dev, nor in the Dev team, just a very active comunity member. How will URO ever meet UREA prices. How will it possibly stay there? If say farmers want to buy more URO to hold onto but cant because the price would go up unreasonably how to keep the price down? Vice Versa how to even get the price up to begin with? How is this not a reasonable question? It may seem complicated but really its not I asked for just one real solution So, the answer to this question is no one knows, if it was known then price would be equal or the same as Urea in the market, the current price reflects uncertainty and lack of liquidity, however the important factor in my opinion is not within farmers or crypto traders, the price will be brought (if it happens) by importers and commodity traders, and the increase of importers demanding to use URO would keep the price up by buying the dump and sell walls as its convinient for them. why hasn't it happened yet? well, because its been one month since the go live and the trade usually takes from 60 - 90 days furthermore most observing importers are waiting to see the first arrival in order to make their move. The difference is that, URO is more complex than cann due to its price, i mean you cant UREA without several hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for shipping for example, there is production time after the purchase to consider and many other details that accumulate into a pretty big coordination and expense effort. does it mean its not happening ? absolutely not, things are happening, they just happen at real world speed and not at crypto speed, you wont see a ship arriving anytime soon, rivaa probably wont publish its arrival considering the harassment they received when they published that they did the order, and for sure no one will publish it, price will just go up as in normal real life growth this is my opinion, i can tell you things are happening, but if you are worried about your money, simply dont buy any and wait till the price starts raising. PD: never expend more than you can afford to loose, always recover initial investment when is a good moment and if you want participate in the community |
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I love the level of intrigue and conspiracy on this thread, it's just taken on crazy proportions. No, no one is being paid to FUD here or has an interest in bringing down Uro. We just genuinely thought (or think) it is a scam.
I did one or two pages back see some excellent responses to some queries, so am less skeptical now, though still skeptical.
in shitcoins is always healthy to be skeptical, never go all in, always recover investment in the first reasonable oportunity in other words consider everything a potential scam, but it is not a scam until proven so, hidden blocks, falsified documents, premine, ipo (dump), dev disapearance etc. i am a long time supporter of uro, even a known one, but i still follow these rules untill i see the shipment arrive . |
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Please report Truthful to the mods of BCT Forum. If what he is doing is not grounds for being banned I don't know what is. Thanks.
+1 The more reports about this spamming and inappropriate behavior of Truthful on this thread the sooner the implementation. im clicking the report buttom now |
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Truthful is Jehovah witnesses of the internet.
ahahahahahaha !!! XD he is ringing the bell!! close the curtains!! |
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Sorry guys but thats the end of URO i think....
I can bring it to 00015 with 1 click of a button, not 0015 00015....
URO is dead.... Where where all scammed.
I lost about 7k on URO, down maybe 10BTC, so if anyone was hurt more then me i ask you to come forward...
I dont blame anyone just need to use my descresion more next time. It looked legit turns out now way in fuck is it.
I dont wanna hurt anyones feelings and cry out accumulation all you want, i have 4years experiance doing this look at my profile and this URO is the most eleberate scam yet...
If you truly believe it's a scam, why continue holding on to your coins? Why not sell them before the price goes even lower? Cause im so fucken pissed off i would rather go down with the ship... Also i almost have 12k URO, so who wants to add to mine to make 12k so we can collect delevery on this URO at least make these assholes pay for that... Us claiming delevery will be proof this is real or a scam. Im sorry to burst your bubble but the entire thing is a big fucken joke, think about it are they really going to send me 12,000 tons of urea?? i have 12k URO.... Of fucken course they will not, thats $6MILLION in UREA..... at 500 a ton...... lol seriously wake the fuck up and watch this, im going to try get my 12k delivered according to the protocle i proposition bet you now 5k USD they wont do it. If you really think they will give up 12,000 tons of urea at 500$ a ton in exchange for 12,000 "URO" worth $1 each your stupider then you look... maths here $12,000 USD != $6,000,000.00, ROI just collecting delivery and reselling on ALIBABA as china urea at $200 a ton would still see ROI of 200%.. .. its not going to happen.... EVER.. mark my words... Just a lurker here asking an honest question  Can someone refute vual's statements w/ credible info? I've been following this thread for a while now and all I see is hype vs fud flaming. Someone explain to me in economic terms how pegging URO to UREA would work. Everything vual has said here is logical/rational and I want to see someone refute this in the same manner. I'm just a curious college student check https://coinist.co/cryptocurrencies/uro for honest reviews I was hoping for something little more credible.. Still doesn't explain who absorbs the loss when URO gets traded for urea. There is no loss. There is however delayed ROI. Investments aren't 100% guaranteed. Technically this a loss. of course they are not, this is crypto high risk shit, thats why you never put more than you can afford to loose, and if you can afford to loose it, you can leave it waiting for a few months and see where the ship is going. if you join IRC you will see there is still people working on this. |
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I just pumped uro with all the btc I have. The sell wall is thin, I suggest any true fans do the same. Lets get this thing heading back in the right direction...
dude, you should have let people sell on you at 160k or lower  . |
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Uro is a long term project, price will not be maintained by crypto traders but by adoption, there has been *low adoption so far because its been 1 day less than a month, don't forget real world has different speeds.
besides this, GES URO is still sitting in their 3 wallets, so i dont see how can they be scamming, the reflection of the price is only and exclusively what we, the traders are doing.
besides you are saying you are down 10k on the LONG term investment, that tells me you bought either a few days a go or a couple of weeks ago, in what world is that long term? only in crypto
if the 12500 were dumped on us and no ship arrives, i will call it a scam.
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So why the huge drop in price? Apologies for asking, but I'm bag holding a couple btc worth and wanted to know what the heck is going on with this coin? I haven't been able to follow this thread lately. Thanks in advance for any explanation because crypto traders are dumping at a loss, and miners push the price down. conceptually speaking its still the same, and people keep working on it, if you want to know whats going on on those works, you can drop by the IRC channel #uro @ freenode. you will be more than welcome |
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if you theory is correct, and rivaa helps GES by paying them on the side (even thou contractually speaking they dont have to), then that is between the 2 of them.
I no longer believe that is the case.
As someone else here pointed out, they are leveraging the urea market by creating a stored value token in an expanding market.
Ever get a starbucks gift card as a gift, forget about it for 6 months, and then one day find it and go out for coffee?
Same principle.
yeah yeah, i know this i was just commenting the theory. |
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in my personal opinion, the only way to bring the price to a reasonable level, is through UREA dealers joining and brining their money into URO.
Exactly. Since we are dealing with private business and there is no absolute proof of the whole chain of events all the way from URO payment to actual shipment delivery, the every-day trader will never have full confidence that this is for real. The price will then rise only if actual UREA dealers realize the potential of URO and start buying it for their trades in urea. Of course, urea dealers would then have a BIG interest in keeping URO price as low as possible, quietly buying up the coin in the background. With the majority of crypto traders scared that URO is yet another shit coin it's going to be easy to keep URO prices down. Actually, now that I think about it, why wait for URO prices to pick up? Play the middleman to a urea trade: find a buyer to pay you in USD at $300 / ton and buy from GES at 1 URO/ton. Arrange for the buyer to pay freight and inspection costs etc and you'll end up turning 12,500 URO into roughly $3 MILLION... No bittrex involved Otherwise it's going to take a very long time to see URO rise to the levels justified by the 1URO=1 Ton of Urea equation. It certainly would take a trader with VERY strong and PATIENT hands to benefit. In the mean time, we could act as urea brokers and turn $17,000 into $3,000,000 per deal... I do it in 2 ways: 1.-company takes full risk and i charge a fee (10% of what they save) plus a few more services 2.-i take part of the risk, and i sell at 50% - 60% of the Urea price I am currently in steps of validating the project with few companies and institutions, and after this: core deals, of course is slow they live in the real world , but i encorage everyone to try and make money out of it. Be honest with the buyers this is important, in case one you are their employee and in case two a partner. enjoy! |
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But (and this is a very big but for me) how do we know that this urea shipment was specifically bought using URO?
As you correctly mentioned that they don't have any obligations to prove it to anyone rather than the parties involved that the deal was done with urocoin. The most they would do is to come out in open and tell that its the case..which they already have done with Mr. Nilesh Nair's video and Rivaa'S public announcement. And in most of the cases that is enough to do business with as a lot of business are atill run on mutual trust ( ofcourse there are contracts and agreements in place to protect the involved parties) Also Transactions are in the blockchain. |
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Coinasaur, nobody involved is going to tell you anything, especially in response to accusations.
The group behind this is taking measures to remain in the background.
Call it a scam all you want, but when the urea lands, it's big.
Give me a couple hours, I'll bet I can tell you what port the shipment is coming to and possibly the name and registration of the vessel.
Don't know how long I can work on it, I just got out of the hospital a couple hours ago and I'm still very weak.
But I'll find it, if the port records are available online as I now know what I'm looking for.
First, best wishes for your health, hobopete. I'm following this thread for quite a while and I appreciate your posts. I'm still buying URO with money I can afford to lose and increase my position as the price falls. However, I do so fully realizing that this is a high, high risk affair. Like you say, when the urea lands, it's big.
But (and this is a very big but for me) how do we know that this urea shipment was specifically bought using URO?Perhaps you can clear this up for the community. As far as I understand the commercial invoice that accompanies the shipment cannot declare the value in URO coin, this is meaningless to all customs and ports authorities. So how do we connect a URO payment with a UREA shipment? Because GES and RIVAA say so? After all, this is a private deal between two private companies. Not only they are NOT obliged to offer any info to outsiders, they should be very annoyed by people wanting to peek their noses in private business. Furthermore, these companies are in urea business with or without the uro. So shipments of urea, paid using good old banking USD, come and go as part of everyday business. So, what prevents those companies to just ANNOUNCE that they deal in URO for a specific shipment while in reality the shipment is one of their business-as-usual USD cargo? In this way they will risk ZERO in URO coin, they risk ZERO in urea since this is what they do any way, and if crypto world reacts to the news, they can cash in big just by exchanging the URO they hold. The uro was still bought in the first place, so if the price goes up they are in full right to sell... in anycase, there will definetely not be enough buy support from crypto world to dump those coins at a reasonable price, so i dont really see the reason to do so. if you theory is correct, and rivaa helps GES by paying them on the side (even thou contractually speaking they dont have to), then that is between the 2 of them. in my personal opinion, the only way to bring the price to a reasonable level, is through UREA dealers joining and brining their money into URO. now, as a little detail, the URO bought for the 3 shipments was at 700k to 1 million per URO the first 2 ships, the third one (pakistani) was bought between 400k and 500k and you dont go through all this trouble for 5 months just for 2x |
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U mean your investment group from the voot forum!
I also got plenty voot as well- do i count as your investment group!!!
I just checked your post history and you were trolling on uro thread back on 17th july .
Any ways- best of luck with your urea order
Enjoy
Actually I'm talking about the money I made from Cloak, VRC and the legendary BC pump. I am up about 120k right now. Which is why I became a part of a local investment group. Do you think I would keep it in BTC when I can use a team of real investors to increase my revenue instead of trusting it to the crypto markets? Sure Im in voot. What does that have to do with anything? And I posted questions in UROs forum and was ridiculed wo of course I would have said it was a scam back then. You guys still cannot provide me any real proof of your legitimacy other than one email address? That is whats really funny about this whole thing. You guys claim all these major corporations including the Indian Government, but you cant even give me a phone number that works? Dude, do like all of us who are purchasing, send an email and you will get a sales person. thats all. |
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