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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Well for starters, GPU game change means all the VPM machines would be stopped and useless.
Hmmm, didn't someone suggest that?    Grin
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
Yes, you have avoided the direct answer to especially No1 Wink Never mind, thanks for the effort, it's really interesting how and if the GPU game would be played out.
Thank you. "I have always relied on the kindness of strangers."
(not really, but the quote seems apropos in context  Smiley  )


We all live in interesting times nowadays.  Cheesy
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
Oops. I see that I didn't really *directly* respond to either of the questions posed.

That's because I don't really believe I can. (With excellent chances of being correct.)

I've done the best I can. Take it for what it's worth, please.
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 07:25:59 PM
I make no claim to successful predictions.

However, some of my posts in this thread have been as Lucifer's Laywer. (I hope y'all are all familiar with him.)

Full disclosure, I have mined some and I have made speculative purchases in both the PrimeCoin and PissCoin (Oops, is that DickCoin? - I don't much like the name; can you tell?   Smiley  ) spaces. NOTE: I have filled my targeted level of exposure in both those markets for a while. We'll (I'll) see how my positions play out over the next year or two.

Now, to respectfully respond to your questions.

1) I see a transition to GPU, or better yet FPGA, mining as a 'good thing'. Because it is *slightly* harder on GPUs, IMO, to do that with a bot-net (and totally not viable once FPGAs become predominate) and more significantly because it completely shuts down the "spin'em up as you want'em" VM game.

2) I can offer no advice. If I could read / interpret those charts with a high degree of success I would be a rich man day trading with real money.
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 06:55:30 PM
<lol>

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.  Smiley
Yes, I'm quoting myself.  Tongue

Looks like a price floor is building back up at around 0.0021 to 0.0025. Not thick yet, but it is building instead of collapsing.

This won't be the last crash / opportunity to pick 'em up for cheap, folks.

Data will be much better after a month into the game.
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 06:47:01 PM
Don't run more threads than your architecture can natively support.

I have an 8 core xeon (dual quad-core) without hyper-threading capability. Therefore, the best I can do is "setgenerate true 8" or "setgenerate true -1". And I've generally run at 7 (or 6 if I want to watch NetFlix) since this is not a dedicated mining system.

Others might comment on their experience with newer CPUs with hyper-threading.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 06:41:25 PM
bitrich, difficulty is now about 30 fold higher than it was first day.

So, if it took you one day to get a block on day one, it could take you thirty days to get another.

+/- depending on Luck.

-- edit

This is Solo Mining.

A lot different than mining in a pool.
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 06:28:27 PM
From there we'll see the value increase as difficulty increases.
Not unless there is a demand.

Not unless people will pay for them for speculative purposes or so they can <do something> with them.

Difficulty does not in and of itself drive price.
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 05:44:37 PM

Which is why one grabs the dirt cheap low difficulty coins and holds them until the difficulty increases thus raising that ceiling.

(Also known as hold until the botnets get up and running?)

-MarkM-

Yep. I think you nailed it as a strategy.

Of course, it still remains to be seen whether there will be a demand, buyers, longer term after the 'IPO' speculators.
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
And that's my point with:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251850.msg2724186#msg2724186
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
I'd like to thank those who bought most of mine at .00722. I salute thee.
Atta-boy, GSnak, that's the way to do it.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 05:33:58 PM
<lol>

Well, that was a pretty quick crash.

At or below 0.002 on all three exchanges now.

I hope all y'all with a monthly commitment to pay for VM's have made your nut by now.  Smiley
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 04:45:47 PM
.. I'm buying up anything under 0.003.  Anyone stupid enough to sell to me for under that, I'm a happy to take them from you.

Lot of coins available at 0.003 (mcxnow), how much you are going to purchase?
Well now, he implied that he'll buy all available under that price point.

Therefore, happily, if his money is where his mouth is, there is a solid price floor we don't have to worry about falling through.

 Cheesy

-- edit

And, IIRC, someone else also made pretty much the same statement of "I'll buy everything at or below 0.003.". But I'm not gonna bother going back through the thread to find it.

-- edit 2

Now here is someone establishing a true price floor.
10,000,000.0000    0.00000003    0.3000     Tongue
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 02:57:23 PM
Does anyone know if there is a prime coin command to see just your immature balance or immature transactions?
grep is good
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 12:29:50 PM
...given that people want to have some coins Wink
Why would they want that?

Just in case you asked this question not sarcastically Wink

I don't know? Why do people want to have gold?
The only things you _really_ need are air to breathe, something to drink and something to eat.
All other things are just wanted beause they make life more comfortable, interesting, enduring, more fun, whatever.
Some people play raffle, others gather cryto coins; some people participate in seti@home or folding@home, others might join primecoin Cheesy
So some might want primecoins just because they want the coins, others might want to find cunningham chains and the primecoins are a kind of fall-out for them...
Gold has an inherit store of value.

Bitcoins have value because you can buy stuff with them and they now have a track record of enabling both on and off the record 'fiscal' transactions.

Finding cunningham chains for fun while generating primecoins as a by product does not produce a *demand* to purchase coins- which is what is required to drive price - but merely increases *supply*.
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 14, 2013, 12:17:25 PM
...given that people want to have some coins Wink
Why would they want that?
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 13, 2013, 10:30:37 PM
is the expansion of collective knowledge enough?
No.

Any number of examples can be given where "expansion of collective knowledge" is a useless endeavor of no arguable benefit to either the individual nor mankind as a whole.

Please play again.

I.e., narrow the scope of your statement sufficiently and I might even agree with you.  Wink
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 13, 2013, 10:15:42 PM
Difficulty hasnt changed much I think. It was 7.988 just now, and 7.978 just over 12 hours ago. 1 block is now being mined every few seconds.
Then one block is still being mined every few seconds. It is just a question of how distributed is the set of people receiving those blocks.

One of my comments on the previous page is relevant.

-- edit

As is the clearly evident attempt at market manipulation in progress on the Vircurex exchange. (I'm not watching the other exchanges, but assume that equivalent games are in progress there, also.)
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 13, 2013, 10:08:15 PM
Where did all the blocks go Sad?
Seems like difficulty went up. I have 20 servers, they had near block per hour, and last several hours nothing
+1 this is quite concerning.  I have > 100k pps running and not a single block in the last 2 hours just doesn't seem right
With BitCoin, you would have had an assured remainder of 2048 blocks to benefit from the 'arms race' of quickly pumping up compute power above what the average miner could supply.

This seems to be working well as a demonstration of the value of a continuously adjustable difficulty.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 13, 2013, 09:44:07 PM
There are probably an infinite number of primes. Really, how scientifically useful is this endeavor?

More than computing SHA256(SHA256(x)) :s
But it was never argued that there was any intrinsic value in generating hashes. That was merely the mechanism chosen due to being computationally expensive and having a mathematically provable output for input.


IMO, the subject line of this thread is just marketing glossy paper BS. primecoin is no more "scientific" than any other numerical computation. (I welcome links to serious papers, not SK's 'Sunday Supplement' level one, which refutes that assertion.)
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