would certain people use that to try to bring the general sentiment against bitcoin as if it was the cause of the collapse?
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the positive of a bitlience: it will kill off teenage basement dwellers from making inferior exchanges. because it requires full ID checks on the owners, running off with the funds would be near impossible, but atleast harder then present
the negatives: time delay of innovation redtape bottlenecking transaction flows
the major thing that should change: regulators should actually regulate, and not just be admin assistants for registration forms and cashiers for the fee price
The real con is that it that the end game is there is a handful of US companies which have huge barriers to entry. This means no startups can compete, and the remaining companies can raise fees. They also have the long arm the government helping them by shutting down entities like p2p sales portals. What NY et al forget is that they "only" want a $300,000 bond but there are 50 states in the country. $300K bond * 50 states (some are higher some are lower but lets pretend they all follow NY lead) = $15M in surety bonds. Usually a surety bond company will only cover a bond if a company has at least that in net worth so the min entry becomes a $25M to $50M investment. Now the surety bond company is going to want 3% to 10% a year so the company now has up to $1.5M in overhead before accepting a single sale. Who pays that $1.5M ... the consumer of course. But wait you will go to the low price startup .... which doesn't exist. Ever notice after the states decided to regulate entities like PayPal there was no PayPal competitor? Do you think it was because nobody thought they could do it better or was it because the economic of regulation suddenly made it impossible for startups to "pay to play". Of course a handful of companies isn't bad right? You still got competition (kinda like WU and Money Gram compete so hard to drive the price of money transmission down). When you have a high barrier to entry the market becomes more profitable the less players there are. So if eight US companies grow big enough before the "pay to play" walls go up eventually there will be 6 then 5 then 3 as the merge and drive prices higher. If Bitcoin does become big, the banks will end up buying or merging with a few of the remaining companies and we all know they will do a great job in keeping costs down and profit margins low. They also will open the floodgates of innovation. The good news is this won't affect the rest of the world. There has been talk for decades to streamline the money transmitter licensing, and create a national license. It hasn't happened because ... nobody wants it to happen. Well at least nobody with money and power. The state regulators don't want it to happen and the Western Unions, PayPals, and GreenDots of the world SURELY don't want that to happen. Lower barriers to entry mean more competition, especially young innovative startups and that means lower margins. Full disclosure: we don't do business in NY due to regulatory uncertainty. If we can grow big enough fast enough who knows we might be on the other side of those barriers but that doesn't mean high regulatory compliance costs are good for the consumer. If history is any guide, the barriers will make a few winners and a lot of losers. And with a healthy competition (lots of exchanges) you don't need insurance bonds or anything like that because consumers can choose the safest exchanges. For instance in recent days it has become clear that there are some standout exchanges in regards to the fact that they handle the recent issues just fine....... Kracken, Coinjar, Vault of satoshi all appear to be up and coming superior exchanges
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You failed to mention the possibility that they are lying about it being a technical problem and that they do not have all the funds they claim to (I.e. Solvency).
Don't be naive to think that this is not a possibility.
Ponzi operators work in the exact same manner. They try to buy more time with vague excuses.
So the proper way to run a ponzi scheme is to broadcast failed transactions for all the world to see? Thanks that is good to know. The brilliance of people here is staggering.
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What I am getting at is that things like the Tor network and a DNS system that is based on bitcoin will make things like child pornography impossible to stop. "think of the children" is one of the things often said in going after certain technologies. Child pornography should be illegal and the makers of it and anyone who profits from it should be pursued and brought to justice... but the pictures themselves are evidence of a crime.
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What I am getting at here is that there should be no restriction on the flow of information. Information itself is neither good or bad. It makes no sense to restrict information and in doing so for whatever excuse some may come up with can only hurt humankind. This includes things like software patents. Software is just math and all software patents do is arm patent troll companies with weapons to kill real innovation. Child pornography is gross but so is the evidence of any crime. If you saw pictures of a murder scene that is gross too. If you saw a village being bombed by some american drone with body parts all over the place that is probably a crime (or not?) and just as gross. But it should not be a reason to restrict the vital flow of information. State secrets and wikileaks is another example. At the crux of the matter is that the most dangerous thing to peoples freedom across the world are governments. You can't let a government operate in secret from it's people. If you do bad shit is guaranteed to happen and freedom will be lost.
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Since bitcoin is essentially a programmable money we need ways to embed programs that will last a long time and don't require trust. Is that possible?
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with deep enough markets though it should still be pretty stable.
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Someone should buy them since they are FinCEN registered. The new owner would spare lot of time.
Organize a group buy? Following. The buy option is interesting, but did they say they are closing shop or just that the bank dumped them?
I don't know whether anyone's spotting the pattern here, but the thread title does say it: the exchanges are being targeted by banks and the payments infrastructure, despite all the recent good news out of the US hearings.Is this something systematic, arranged for by the protection racket insiders big business players, trying to elbow their way into the bitcoin service providers arena? We'll possibly never know the full story, but I wonder whether all the incumbent exchanges aren't shuttered one after another over the coming year. Expect plenty of time to pass in purgatory, to make sure bitcoin users are in total agony, and then.... ..... right on time to save us like the big heroes of regulatory compliance they will depict themselves as, will be someone like Circle. Or some other new financial industry insider-friendly startup, and they will magically have no problems with regulatory issues (totally to do with their hero-like virtue and definitely following all the rules, aka the rules that state you have to be part of the gang to be a big fish in the sea). And I bet their business model will be about as honest as Coinbase's. Perhaps a sudden hike in the fees, across all brand new shiny happy face helpful super exchanges! (it's to cover the cost of the cartel protection fee "extended" regulatory compliance, of course, expensive stuff this bitcoin compliance) Taking on the running of CampBX may well end up the same; it will carry on having it's operations disrupted by corrupt interventions by people who can't compete in business without using force. That was my intention of the thread title.... not to attack campbx. I hope they stick around and work things out.
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What I mean by this is that if pc games had a beta test it would be cool if the first round was limited to those willing to pay like 25-50 cents or something in bitcoin. it would be extremely easy to implement this and the reason why it would be good is because someone willing to pay a small amount to enter beta is likely to be more willing to actually play the game since they now have an "investment" in the game. Now that they are invested they will probably play more than someone who got in the game for free. Also on the plus side the company could use those bitcoin somehow. For instance they could reward users who find bug reports with bitcoin (that they got from the people paying) . All the sudden bitcoin opens up a new kind of payment model for beta testers and their relationship with companies. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wqxbk/it_would_be_interesting_if_mainstream_pc_games/
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I don't think at this early stage bitcoin is capable of slow incremental growth. I also think it's unrealistic to expect it to begin another bubble just a mere 2 months after the previous bubble. I think there will be another bubble but not for another 2-12 months from now
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no... the next week there are too many banking holidays in Asia. Usually when that happens the price becomes very stable. I think more stability is in store for the next week. After that I have no idea. If I had to make a guess I bet 2014 is a slow year for bitcoin and maybe even slightly downward from here but 2015 will be huge when people realize that bitcoin isn't going anywhere and the price isn't as fragile as some made it to be.
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One argument I heard against bitcoin is that in a post apocalyptic world where the internet is destroyed it is useless... but gold isn't. I disagree that gold would have much if any value. In a post apocalyptic world the struggle for survival would be great and things that would have great value would be goods like guns and ammo. Gold would probably be worthless because it doesn't help you survive at all. It only lets you trade it for something else. I think 10-30 years after a post apocalyptic world when civilization started to reogranize then gold would start gaining value again but in the immediate aftermath of something cataclysmic it would be useless.
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As time goes on more "wealthy" people will buy bitcoin and when they do they won't really need to liquidate it for personal financial reasons. I think they are more likely to hold on until the moon than your average person.
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It looks like the bank that was working with campbx has chosen to stop working with them.
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I just came across something that might be of interest to you. It is a paper by a "Dr. Frank Greening" here: http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdfIn it, he attempts to calculate the feasibility of the collapse of the towers but I believe I have found an error. Here he states: we have an initial mass nmf falling onto the floor below and becoming mass (n+1)mf. This new, enlarged, block of floors descends with velocity v2 = {n/(n+1)}v1 through a distance hf at which point it strikes the floor below and becomes mass (n+2)mf moving at velocity {n/(n+2)}v2, and so on The problem is, in a hypothetical tower collapse, the only thing that would change is the velocity of any mass above the collapse points. The total mass would not change. If he wants to add the mass of each floor to the upper mass with each collapse, that is fine but he also has to then subtract the same mass from the lower floors.
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One thing that is funny... you read popular science "debunking 9/11" and in it they claim to debunk that the ejections that were seen as the building goes down were "squibs". So they come up with a theory that the building actually compressed down as floors collapsed on top of each other and it so happens that it looked just like squibs. What is the problem with this though? The problem is that in science to debunk something is to prove it false. Proposing an alternate theory does not somehow invalidate another theory. It is therefore not scientific and to claim that it is... is either a serious blunder or simply propaganda.
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bitcoin can never replace cash as it's too slow and merchants all need speed....
We need something faster for the world...
A merchant gets the actual money from a bitcoin transaction far faster than a credit card transaction. If they convert to cash with something like bitpay it is only 24 hours. If they keep the btc it is simply when the btc arrive.
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And what happens if bitstamps bank puts limits on the money it can transfer as well? are you going to then hope it dies next? There is a lot of dumbassery with bitcoin I swear.
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I thought we were on the good news train til I looked at gox and saw volume was barely 1k coins in 24 hours.
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There was a Chinese dude from China in speculation forum warning everyone that the 31st Jan China thing is the real deal and the current deposit methods are not sustainable.
I also personally know someone in China who tells me the threat is the real deal. Even though im a super bull, personally I'm not buying any new btc till this whole thing is clear, price is way too Dependant on Chinese money ATM and there is evidence of fake Chinese volumes which means current price will collapse once China is out.
The markets will get more nervous in the next week or so
technically speaking if the chinese volumes are fake what it really means is that china wasn't that important after all for the rise in price.
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