Why not leave PIRATE as is and start a new asset chain with same z only transactions but some initial stake for Supernet, and a slower mining schedule. This tech is amazing - complete anon with dPoW giving bitcoin level security - but it needs people to trust the team behind it in order to invest their money. A supernet version would get instant credibility, and that leaves PIRATE to do it own thing.

I don't  have enough tech chops to judge merits of lightning  network so I hold equal amounts of both. The vast majority of Bitcoin holders today aren't aware of the history, aren't able to judge the tech arguments, so they go along with what they're told. If enough opinion makers tell the masses bch is 'Bitcoin' it will be thus, if satoshi moves some coins in bch favour, or some big exchanges and crypto companies move support behind Bitcoin cash, then Bitcoin cash is Bitcoin.

You obviously move in other parts of the cryptosphere to me, I see neutral people referring to 'Bitcoin core' all the time, to distinguish it from 'Bitcoin cash'. Neutral people don't take sides, and the history of the split from my point of view is it's far too early to know what the eventual outcome will be, but btc and bch can both use the name 'bitcoin' because they share the same genesis block. Which version is closer to the original and therefore has the best claim to Bitcoin name is an opinion, not a fact, so for now both should use it, but add meaningful word after Bitcoin to help distinguish them. Only zealots on one side or other would disagree, probably to stifle honest discussion.

So bch splits, one fork becomes bitcoin core killer with cheap scaling for digital cash, the other ethereum killer with tokens .... what's not to like about this divorce?

Some relationships need to end, by Christmas the combined MK of bch progeny could easily surpass 10% of Bitcoin core, this split is needed, the enemy of my enemy is my friend is no basis for an on going partnership, no more than USSR and USA, once the Nazi were defeated they go there separate way, but to defeat the Nazi they were rational to cooperate.

CSW and bitmain aren't long term partners, but they cooperated long enough to stop core fucking Bitcoin forever more, so it was a good partnership while it lasted. Time to part ways and let bch holders get both visions, just be sensible and use replay protection.

Time to wake up from hibernation,  the bear market is ending,  Reggie, please post a proof of life, are you still here?

Agreed, anyone not happy with the launch can support another coin with same anon properties, and hopefully a slower emission schedule with a pre announced launch time to vaporize all complaints. If someone did that I think they would get a lot of support,

This coin has some potential, but I'd prefer a relaunch where it was a 'real' coin from the start, not a test tube experiment that went on to be traded and used.

If a reboot happened could you emulate verus with time locked coins at the start, and 50:50 PoW and PoS? That would be a pretty amazing combination with z only transactions. The launch here could easily be attacked as a dash 2.0 stealth mine by thedev team, I know it's  more a test that went live, but crypto fud campaign seems inevitable.

Just a suggestion ...

Awesome, you give us remaining Ck'ers some hope Syksy, thanks man

Great, thank you very much for pointing that out!

What are the checksum for the new agama wallets?

Any reason why RobinHood forging pool has delayed payments this week? I was expecting a payment on 20 August ...

Either fulfill the details of the silver coin plan, or use the funds to top up the supernode bounty fund and add a tapering period where the reward reduces gradually over 12 months, to prevent the supernode system ending abruptly with a catastrophic drop in supernode numbers. All the coins locked up in supernodes getting liquidated at the same time could be a coin killing event.

The first 2 elections were very successful at bootstrapping the notary system, but I expect the third election in 2019 will be quite different , more candidates, and probably some candidates will run as registered businesses or other more official 'entities' which will be great for the komodo ecosystem as a whole as it will create multiple entry points and legal partners for traditional non crypto businesses to engage with, similar to how everyone on Wall St is waiting for Bitcoin ETF and proper legally setup custodial services before they can enter the crypto field.

Next election will hopefully create 10-20 well financed legal access points for all the businesses who might want to experiment with blockchain but need a legal partner who can sign contracts with to fit into their legal obligations, and that allows jl777 to keep doing what he does best, and maintain his privacy.

This is a crucial element IMO, traditional businesses operate in the legacy world of rules and regulations, and even if a crypto project has the best tech, if businesses can't use it because they can't find a legal partner to work with the tech can't  be adopted, even if it's the best.

The 64 notaries provide so much to the whole ecosystem, and I expect  election 2019 will look and feel a lot more 'professional'.

What's the best way to split blocks up in the veruscoin wallet?

Where is the 'coin control' part of the wallet where I can see the blocks my addresses have?

VOTE2019 election will probably have even more candidates offering rev shares, and yes,  that will be good for marketing Komodo.

Passive income streams help survive the bear market, everything adds up, and KMD already has 5% reward So rev shares is really the icing on the cake!

So far I have received approx monthly distribution from the notary I voted for who offered a profit share, I think all who offered an incentive for VOTE2018 will pay up, everything was very transparent in the candidate proposals so any who don't honor their commitments will be exposed and not likely to get elected again. The blockchain reveals all!!

I agree, BCH isn't anywhere near as decentralised as I would like (or where it might end up), but the split isn't really anything Bitmain could have prevented, core created the forces that led to bch when they refused to upgrade to 2 mb blocks, everyone has been adjusting to that ever since.

anyway, bch just has to better than legacy finance, e.g. my bank account was closed last december just because I used a local crypto exchange , and Bitmain isn't likely to ever have that level of control over bitcoin as we all know now that if people in control fuck things up those affected can fork and go in another direction, there's free entry and exit for everyone who gets enough people agreeing with their pov.

as long as bch is better than banks it can thrive, but yes, bitmain has a shit load of power now whether we like it or not

Crypto is extremely unpredictable,  and the vast majority of active players in the market have learnt to expect the unexpected, and bitmain obviously have the incentive and resources to make bch a global system for digital cash so it's likely they will keep trying for many years if necessary to achieve their goal, and the other side just doesn't have the same financial and mining resources.

Most crypto users just want a version of Bitcoin that scales , is cheap and easy to use, and remains as decentralised and 'unfuckable' by governments as possible, they don't really care about the history, and if the flippening happens everyone will still be using BITCOIN.

IT really comes down to which side has more resources to move enough of the people who don't know or care too much about the deeper history of the scaling war to their side, and that's bch now, and even if it takes many years it's  the most likely outcome.

I'm thinking of switching to 60:40 in my portfolio now, and at today's conversion rate that feels like a great deal, but honestly, like I said above, I expect the unexpected, and maybe Bitcoin core has some powerful friends in the wings willing to match bitmain, but I suspect most Bitcoin core holders will switch pretty fast when we approach parity and momentum is clearly on bitmain and bch side.

At parity switching costs nothing, doing it before makes you money , imo bitmain's support for bch means it's  not going away, and most crypto users are fickle, and don't care, they just want a Bitcoin that works, and bch does.

I agree, these 'Tone Song' videos remind me of Chemical Ali back in the first gulf war, they aren't  based on the reality i can see, and i'm still holding equal  amounts of btc and bch and don't really care which wins,

bitmain is in an incredibly powerful position, more than I realised,  and if you overlay the china:USA trade war it's not hard to imagine the Chinese government would like to see a Chinese based company becoming the dominant player in global fintech, dwarfing Google Facebook Amazon in power over the new value exchange enhanced internet. Stakes are very high, and one side is much more powerful than the other, and they've finished accumulating their bch, and now their accumulating cash for the final assault.

Bitmain switches all it's miners over to bch and starts buying bch with the IPO money, the momentum would shift dramatically, some Bitcoin core die hard supporters might go down with the ship, but the vast majority of crypto investors don't treat the 2017 scaling war like a religion, they'll just follow the herd when it's obvious the flippening is first possible, then probable, then actually happening

I interpret this recent bitmain document release very differently,  it shows bitmain will likely have a war chest of all three resources they need to achieve their goal sometime soonish; bch reserves, IPO cash, miners ... I think bitmain is in a very powerful position now, I see dudes like Jimmy Song trying to spin bitmain as having failed at a peg in his videos, but imo bitmain will soon have everything they need to manipulate the price to something close to parity, and even if it's not popular at first, fear will take over enough traders already suffering  big losses from the bear market, and bingo, the herd moves to bch.

The bitmain finances show they are serious, there's just not enough financial backing on the other side with the same level of skin in the game, the big traders just want to make money, they're not emotionally attached like zealots on this forum, they'll move their money to the Bitcoin version that has price support and mining, and the bounty bitmain will reap from the accumulated bch could make them a trillion dollar company sooner than many think, a powerful incentive to go all in for the flippening.

Fascinating times!  Once it starts the early movers make money when they convert at the expense of those who delay, so once the momentum starts it could be quick!