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41  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What ICOs are Doing Wrong and How It’s Killing Ethereum on: July 10, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
How does the automatic mining work? Correct me if I'm wrong, but regardless of how the contract works, isn't building your system on the Ethereum network means having Ethereum miners do the mining for you?
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why All Coins Dump? on: July 08, 2017, 08:53:20 AM
it's shoping times  Wink Cool

Be greedy when others are panic. I just bought more shares of Siacoin. Buy while it's still cheap. It probably gonna go up tomorrow.

No offense but hasn't it been on a downward trend for over past 3 weeks.
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: EOS Important Notes and Warnings for Newbies 🕳 on: July 05, 2017, 07:13:18 PM
Prices will keep going down as people lose interest and supply increases through daily ICO releases.
44  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: EOS hardcore scam - renamed BitShares - You will NOT like this? on: July 04, 2017, 01:17:20 PM
I'm surprised despite this, people are still throwing money into their crowdsale. No doubt the founders will become billionaires at this rate.
45  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: EOS - Asynchronous Smart Contract Platform - (Dan Larimer of Bitshares/Steem) on: July 04, 2017, 12:28:58 PM
So what's your forecast for EOS today? I'm thinking about buying now it's cheaper, but I don't like the tendency at all.


The current price puts EOS market cap at over 2.5bil without any working prototype or proof of concept. It's already double the market cap of DASH only after being in the market for like a few days?

IMO, definitely overvalued right now.  
46  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why does the cryptocurrey market go down recently? on: July 02, 2017, 10:32:32 AM
They are all kind of linked. Through the BTC/XXX markets.

For example, btc/eth markets price = 0.1, ethers are 1/10th the price of bitcoin (230 USD ethers -> 2300 USD bitcoins).

If there's a major selloff in ethers and ETH/USD falls, the market will push BTC/ETH, BTC/USD both down to ensure equilibrium.
47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Trading post for ETH on: July 02, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
I am a newbie to cryptos, but I have experience trading in stock and options markets.  Sold my small position in ETH this morning.  Bought at $264, sold at $261.  I think we go lower in the short term.  My short term target is about $225-230.  Any traders with any thoughts?

if you are indeed new to this you need to know one important thing: this market is different from Stocks market in many aspects.
the biggest thing you will notice is all the manipulations. when someone owns majority of the "shares" and also has lots of money they can easily manipulate everything.
also you need to know about what affects the prices.

for example in case of ethereum the ICOs have been increasing the price of ether artificially. and it is actually scaring me to want to enter it now because all these funds will soon start exiting and when they do they will crash the market with themselves.

Wonder what will happen when EOS cashes out on its 600k ethers raised in ICO lol.
48  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: China Becomes First Country in the World to Test a National Cryptocurrency on: July 02, 2017, 10:18:19 AM
It's already been done with USDT isn't it - pegging USDT to reserve backed dollars. The same can be done with virtually any currency (yuan-tether, but issued and backed by the Chinese govt)
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: We need apps not coins on: June 29, 2017, 10:21:14 PM
ICOs are good for the community if they are done legitimately. Helps replace stocks/reduce regulations for companies, verifiable/transferable/accessible tokens that represent ownership AKA allowing everything to be "digitized".

Problem is all the excessive hype though..
50  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Poloniex has stolen my BTC on: June 15, 2017, 08:12:31 AM
It's probably due to the slowdown of bitcoin network. I've had no problems depositing other alts (USDT/Ether), it's usually deposited within 20minutes.

They need to wait for deposit to arrive in temporary wallet, then make a second transfer to their own wallet. This means two successful transactions need to be made before funds can be ready. In either of those transfers, the transaction might have been stuck:

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Look at the number of unconfirmed transactions currently, your transfer might have been one of those that has been stuck. Each block takes about 1-2 hours to confirm, and there're only 2000 transactions per block.

50000 unconfirmed transactions would take days to clear.
51  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Please help - Things I still don't understand about Ethereum... on: June 14, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
Hi,

After some digging I still don't understand some major stuff about Ethereum and I hope someone can explain the following:

1. The miners are executing the smart contract code - right?
Does all of the miners in the system execute all the smart contracts code? And if so, how is the system able to scale and keep writing blocks every 15-17 secs when more and more contracts are being created?

2. In bitcoin, the miner that gets to write the next block gets it because they where able to find the solution for the specific hashing problem - how does this work in Ethereum?
I mean, how does the execution of smart contracts code and hashing the blocks works together?

3. A DAPP is basically a collection of smart contracts that work together and sending each other ether to run and do specific tasks - right?
If I got this right, what happens if someone else sends eth to one of the components (smart contract) that shouldn't run separately?

4. If I build a DAPP (let's say a new ERC20 token) - and I have only 1 ETH to use - how this affects my new coin?
    Or in other words, how does the ether currency relates to these erc20 coins? When I buy or sell Golem for example, how is ETH part of that process?

5. Bitcoin has a limited number of coins - how does this works here? When are ethers created and is there a limit? What are the rules?

I really hope someone can help me.

Thanks again

1. Yes miners all execute the code and update states for every block. There's a gas limit of 4.7million for each block, so there is a limit to how many smart contracts can be executed per second (or per block). The gas pricing mechanism also forces smart contract creators to write code efficiently, to ensure transactions will not cost too much and expensive operations that cannot fit into the gas limit will be developed off-chain. Sharding is currently being considered as a solution for scalability in the future, to allow decentralized contract execution.
https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Sharding-FAQ

2. It's a similar concept, just a different hashing algorithm (memory hard hashing algorithm to prevent chip optimizations and allowing average users and home-use computers to mine profitably).

3. It depends on how it is implemented. But usually the creator would throw an error in the contract if functions are run by someone without permissions. Throwing an error essentially reverses the transaction and ethers are refunded.

4. Ethers are usually exchanged for tokens via a smart contract. Once a token is created, it runs on Ethereum and by default is independent of ether.

5. Ethers can be mined right now in PoW. The total ether supply will increase by about 10% more if PoS is implemented only after a year. Then there will likely be no more Ethers generated and all reward for confirming a block will be paid by other users.
52  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Hedging against crypto-bubble bursting on: June 14, 2017, 09:11:29 AM
Crypto-market size is growing rapidly, but it's still far from the trillion dollar bubbles as we have seen in the housing market or during dotcom. I honestly believe cryptos are still in their infancy and has yet to obtain widespread mainstream adoption.

Currently, Ethereum or Bitcoin individually has less than 50b market cap. When the total market cap starts to overtake large tech companies (eg Google/Apple), only then I will start to worry and start placing hedges.

If a time comes when there's possibility of a large correction, would buying Gold and Silver be a good hedge? I believe when large funds start moving out, people would run to a safe asset (which traditionally has been Gold/Silver and precious metals). This would cause a spike in their prices and essentially create a hedge against falling crypto-currency prices.

Would really like to hear your thoughts on this, and if this is a good hedge or if there wouldn't be a bubble since cryptos will become a mainstream currency.
53  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Serious issue concerning Bancor, get rid of all BNT on: June 13, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
I will just start boldly. The Bancor business model is pretty close to a scam. I am sure you will not take my word for it, because this is my first post. In fact, I made this account because I find it bizarre that no one is talking about this. Let's be honest, which one of you truly tried to comprehend their mathematical proof? Not a single person who invested at least, because otherwise they would not have wasted their money. I will try to explain a little.

They collected pretty close to 400k ether. Essentially what they do, is keep .8*400k ETH = 320k ETH to themselves, and call the remaining 80k reserves. They will express this 80k in a different coin, called BNT. They assign 100 BNT to 1ETH that they received. That means there is 500BNT for every 1ETH in the reserves. Essentially, if everyone would want to convert their BNT back to ETH, they would get 1/500 ETH per BNT. Wait you say, in the white paper it says that the starting price of 100BNT will equal 1 ETH! This is true, this is where the mathematics uses a trick to hide what is going on. Their pricing formula, P=R/(S*F) ensures that the first BNT sold will be sold at a 'fair' value, namely equal to the amount of ETH you spent to buy it in the first place. After the first sell, things get worse rather quickly. Let's illustrate this by a little example:

Lets say that 10% of people who own BNT sell it back to ETH via the smart contract. For the initial price we get: P = 80k/(40m*.2) = 0.01. All looks fair. Then after the sell we get 40m*10%*0.01 = 40k,  P = 80k-40k/((40m-4m)*0.20) = 0,00556. Ouch, the price almost dropped to half value from the 10% sell-off (this is different if there are many small transactions but I will get to that later).

If people buy the same amount of BNT, this is what happens: P = 120k/(44m*0.20) = 0.01364. The increase in price is not nearly as interesting for the next person. But again, this will be lower for many small transactions.

I created a plot assuming transactions are made in small batches of BNT coins. We find that the BNT value drop VERY quickly when people start selling, and does not rise nearly as fast. Essentially this just makes BNT an undesirable coin. Another weird thing about their system is that it does not consider convexity. This means that big transactions will get very different prices than many small ones. This just does not make sense, but they don't care as they simply took your money.


If you are still not convinced, consider this. They literally admit to taking 80% of your money. All they give back is some mathematical trick based on 20% of the ether that you gave them. Do you really believe they just generated x5 value out of thin air? Sorry, but math does not work that way. I would recommend getting rid of your BNT asap, or you end up all the way on the left side of the graph. I am sorry that this news comes a bit late for some of you... I didn't read their methodology until last night Sad

Maybe now you can start to add up why the ICO was strange in various ways.

As final words, don't just believe whatever I say. Think about it for yourself. I gain nothing by convincing you of whatever I write here, I am simply sharing thoughts.

They do factor in the size of transactions when calculating liquidation price. Here's a quote from their whitepaper:

"The above formula calculates the current price, however, when a purchase or liquidation is
executed, the effective price is calculated as a function of the transaction size. The calculation
can be described as if every transaction is broken up into infinitely small increments, where each
increment is changing the smart token’s supply, reserve balance, and thus its price."

The scenario where one person sells off a large amount to get a good price (at the expense of others) might not really happen since they are using "effective price".
54  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Would you enter the market now in ETH ? on: June 13, 2017, 02:11:01 PM
Before investing in ethereum you should understand its price based on agressive media campaign, advertising to people who not familiar with cryptocurrencies and major stake of pre-mined coins what never reached the exchange. There is barely 100000 eth on exchanges despite ethereum have almost 100 million supply. Still, that doesn't mean ethereum will not go up. There is big money involved and some whale(s) who control like 99% of eth at the moment will try to  increase its capitalization as high as possible.

There's definitely more than 100000 eth on exchanges. Poloniex Cold Wallet + Hot wallet together already have over 4.5 million ethers.
https://etherscan.io/address/0xb794f5ea0ba39494ce839613fffba74279579268
https://etherscan.io/address/0x32be343b94f860124dc4fee278fdcbd38c102d88

That's excluding the amount held by services like Coinbase, Gemini or other exchanges like Kraken, Bitrexx etc.

Additionally, people usually withdraw ethers into their own wallets for safekeeping. Exchanges are not 100% secure as we have seen in the MtGox episode.

Ether is one of the most traded cryptos second to only bitcoin. I would definitely recommend not missing out on it in your portfolio.
55  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BTC -> ETH Flippening? on: June 12, 2017, 03:35:42 PM
Last year i had no ether. I had btc
Now i have btc but also some ether

Same, I'm holding 50% eth and 50% btc. Not sure if it's the best way to go, but I feel eth has less downside risk compared to btc (the recent slowdown of BTC network is really affecting my confidence in the coin).
56  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ethereum's POS will cause its own downfall on: June 12, 2017, 02:44:41 PM
Here's why POS won't work. Its based on the most fundamental premise of greed i.e. you won't harm the value of what you hold. Unfortunately, that same premise will see the downfall of Ethereum. Why? one simple word - Bitcoin.

Bitcoin values are already at a all-time high and owners want to see it higher. The only way to to create demand and inflate values is to either hold the world to ransom (wannacry) or boost its status as a safe haven digital currency. Based on the latter, it may be in the interest of bitcoin holders to see Ethereum fail because there will be a massive selling of Ether for bitcoin.

With POS, the door becomes open for the Bitcoin whales to manipulate a massive failure of the Ethereum network to their benefit. How so?

Bitcoin is worth about 10x more than Ether at the moment. If the Bitcoin whales can accumulate 51% of Ether. They can engineer a failure of the ethereum network. Ethereum holders in their panic will flock to exchange their Ether for bitcoin driving up bitcoin and increasing the value of their existing holdings. As long as increase in value of bitcoin holdings > decrease in value of ethereum, it would be in their interest to do so. Furthermore, Bitcoin wants to be the pre-emininent digital token. To get rid of their closest adversary would surely be in their long term best interest.

So, in a nutshell, the POS basis of using greed to protect itself will in turn cause Ethereum to fail because they forget about the greed of others. Just my 0.0001 eth 's worth.

Each unit of Bitcoin is worth about 7x of ether (at the time of writing). And that's based on price alone, the market cap of Ether is about 80% of bitcoin (which is what we really need to look at).

Simply put, if someone wishes to buy 1% of ethers, he would need to trade in about 0.8% of the entire bitcoin market. Attempting to purchase such a large amount of ethers (51% of the whole market, which is 46 million ethers) will most certainly cause the bitcoin market to spiral down and ether market to skyrocket. If you fail to get 51% to crash Ethereum, the PoS system will then be able to wipe out all your deposit and 18 billion dollars (causing the remaining ethers to rise 2x in value since supply is halved).
57  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ICOs] History Is Repeating Itself on: June 12, 2017, 02:22:06 PM
So are you saying bitcoin will be the lone survivor?

Effectively, yes... I have recently come to that realization.

Bitcoin's value does not come from its utility. It sucks at sending money (see the scaling debacle), and it sucks at everything else because it can't do pretty much anything the newer ALT coins can do. It is a store of value, and lives off of its network effect.

The network effect is why it will be the lone survivor. Bitcoin's network effect will reign supreme, and the network effect drops off exponentially as you go down the list of ALT coins. Litecoin's network effect has enabled it to survive among the top coins... for now, but it has not empowered it to stay ahead of the pack. Ethereum's network effect will be much the same.

Mostly all other ALT coins garner value from their perceived utility, such as Ethereum from its smart contracts. Effectively every new ALT coin worth its salt will incorporate smart contracts, and it will be a basic feature in the near future. Since all ALT coins are judged by their utility, they are doomed because new ALT coins will improve upon previous iterations.

For instance... Ethereum will not scale. We will start to see this soon as long as more and more projects keep building on top of it. It will reach a bottleneck, and consensus as to how to scale will be near to impossible to reach. Miners have different interests than smart contract developers have different interests than whales have different interest than core developers. Evidendenced by the Bitcoin scaling debacle. Thus, scaling needs to be built in from the start, and this dooms all existing ALT coin smart contract platforms from the get go. The next wave of smart contract blockchains will be scalable.

Yet still the new scalable smart contract platforms will have some arbitrary issue, which will be improved upon in later cryptocurrencies. It is a never ending vicious cycle which dooms ALT coins from their inception.

To provide another example... Bitshares and Waves DEXs will be replaced by DEXs that trade real assets via atomic swaps. Not IOUs or derivatives like most DEXs currently trade. The IOU/derivative DEXs will eventually become obsolete.

Same with anonymity. For now, Monero/zCash are the best options, but eventually a better option will be conceived. And then the previous next best things will be eventually retired. For instance, zCash may be made to have a no trust required initial setup, or Monero tech could be improved upon with more scalability (less blockchain bloat) and/or more anonymity.

Interesting point of view, but that's assuming Ethereum remains static for every one else to take over. It has a huge community ranging from people developing real world dAPPs to core developers finding ways to scale the system, improving on Swarm, enhancing Solidity compilers/IDEs, building Casper (PoS).

Number of Ethereum mining nodes has steadily increased month after month, more people are supporting the network (average network hashrate used to be about 20TH/s 1.5 months ago, now it's 42TH/s).

Countries/banks/tech companies are also looking to build systems from the smart contracts/tokens provided by Ethereum. (ie Ethereum Alliance) Soon, I believe countries will start creating currency-backed tokens that can be used in tandem with smart contracts.

IMO, unlike many other cryptos, Ethereum continues to evolve aggressively, and it is backed by many talented developers/leaders.
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum in 5 years on: June 11, 2017, 02:59:50 PM
At the rate it's going, I'm not surprised to see Eth hit 1000 end of the year. It grew by 400% in one month (since early May). Doubling or tripling again in the next 6 months is completely possible IMO.

In 5 years? Who knows, hope it goes to $5000 though. Wink
59  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin blues on: June 11, 2017, 02:28:46 PM
don't think too hard about what and why of altcoins behaviors, you won't find any logical answers ever.

- it is a small market
- it is greatly manipulated
- and has a lot of whales, like those who premined or are holding the pre ICO tokens.
- the market is full of newbies

with combination of all these, prices will act irrationally and wild.

Would say that's what is happening to BitShares right now. Massive pump and dump. Lots of altcoins are being hyped up IMO.
60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Basic Attention Token [BAT], scam or not? on: June 11, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
For the token to work, the browser must first be successful (ie competing with Chrome). Even then, how much advertisers are willing to pay to advertise using such a model? Really difficult to say if it will succeed or not, and whether it's worth buying at the current valuation.
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