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401  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 10, 2013, 09:23:14 PM
Holding only fiat on exchanges is nail biting stuff. Why am I such a crappy trader? And WHY won't anyone dump!?
402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 10, 2013, 10:17:04 AM
Can't see 60s today.. Cry
403  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 08:48:10 PM
Where's the volume gone?

to bitstamps and others

I mean straight after huge dumps volume usually picks up. This is dead, quite before the storm?
404  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 08:43:12 PM
Where's the volume gone?
405  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 08:37:52 PM

I'll be seeing them at T in the park in 3 days Cheesy
406  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 08:26:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjVpRAXK18
407  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
Nom nom, down we go! weeee
408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
1k bid wall at 75 and 1k ask wall at 75.75. Wat
409  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 05:04:49 PM
5k BTC to 75.  Hmmmmm

Edit: AAAAAAAAnd it pulled, market buy inc?
410  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 04:57:55 PM
So much for the 60's today..  Cry
411  Economy / Speculation / Re: My 2 year old sons most recent projections on: July 09, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
You need to invest USD to get more usd by speculating with bitcoins.
What?

  I don't get it either. I am open to suggestions as to how to invest btc to get more btc.

Sell high and rebuy low, e.g "short" it. Basically.

Edit: I'm probably misreading this, excuse me if I sound patrionising.
412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 01:44:52 PM

DEAD EMU





RIP in peace 09/07/2k13
413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 01:26:02 PM

at some point would the bird not get hungry and lean forward... beak to the ground?  Huh

Or shall it fly to da moon??  Cool

414  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 12:52:40 PM
I bought back in at 65 (Bitstamp). 63-64 has been tested 3 times and has held. My guess is that the price will rally for a while now.

A quick update.

I sold at just under 75 on Bitstamp yesterday, as there seems to be little in the way of upward momentum. There now seems to be a vague triple bottom and/or downward triangle forming around 70. I suspect selling pressure will break through this and we will push back down towards 65 and possibly lower.

I think I will sit on my hands and buy when it feels right, rather than putting an order at this time. There doesn't seem to be much support above 60 on the books and I'm unsure whether 65 would survive another sell off.

If only I had done the same. Funny, your numbers matched mine...

Thanks for sharing your observations with selling pressure as I haven't been watching much. I have seen the larger blocks in buys stagnate though.

And look at this double double reverse bottom descending triangle. What do you all think?  Grin



I think the tension to the drop is killing me, get it over with bears.
415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
I hope we get some decent action/volume tonight.

All this hovering 'stability' around charted territory isn't helping progression or long term recovery, things need to get worse before they get better. The sooner they get worse the less people get burned. Help yourselves by helping bitcoin Wink

people complain when its volatile, others complain when its not. looks like always someone will be unhappy.

Volatility is great for a deflating bubble, a quick sharp deflation is much better for the market than a steady long slide, not only do we lose investors but recovery is so much longer. At almost all other times large volatility is really bad for bitcoin.
416  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 09, 2013, 11:22:50 AM
I hope we get some decent action/volume tonight.

All this hovering 'stability' around charted territory isn't helping progression or long term recovery, things need to get worse before they get better. The sooner they get worse the less people get burned. Help yourselves by helping bitcoin Wink
417  Economy / Speculation / Re: Be ready for the new crash coming... on: July 08, 2013, 09:11:04 PM
OP chart is totally meaningless without any quantifications.  What time scale are we looking at here?  And are these crossovers the Goomboo standard 10/21 ?  Looks like a hasty emotional copy/paste from Clarkmoody ...  Roll Eyes

It's clearly labeled as 26 day time periods. I think it's a good observation outlining that the rally right now is a classic example of a bull-trap. Trends come in threes.
418  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 08, 2013, 06:13:40 PM

I think BTC might be a complimentary currency (e.g. with M-Pesa http://memeburn.com/2013/07/kipochi-brings-bitcoin-to-africa-through-m-pesa/) and used in an app like Kipochi. I really think that is the biggest news we've seen for BTC in a while but most people don't see how big it can be. edit - let BTC be used on non smart phones with apps like Kipochi pretty much solves a lot of technological problems.

I do agree with you though in that the volatility is indeed a problem. We are very early in the game BUT at the same time I have a feeling the maturity of usefulness will be reached in ways many of us can't fathom. Remember, BTC is a Black Swan technology of sorts so it's growth will be likewise imo. Kipochi can very well be our first offspring...

Regarding your on topic point  Grin
We have moved from a low of $65 (which I almost felt like jumping into for the bounce but don't like entering at the bottoms of big red candles) to a high of 80.
Perhaps we consolidate a bit and then head back down. It seems like this move up was purely technical.

I do see more decent sized buys coming in but in large part the move was started by a huge buy of 4500. I don't like entering a rally based on a large player. Perhaps it is petering out.
I will see what we do around $85 if we get that high.

IAS

edit - Forgot your question. Yeah, I guess it would be "easier" and use global currencies but some governments won't allow that. I still go back to the complimentary thing. We don't need BTC to be adopted by mass amounts of people (% wise) to be successful (money wise). Think about just one small country using it, or just 1% of people in a few countries as a store of wealth - to move money - for online transactions, etc. That would be huge. Should BTC actually take off and be an internet currency "standard", another doozy.

+1

This news from Kapochi is fantastic, it's exactly what we need.
419  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 08, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
Bitcoin = Currency??

 Grin

BitcoinDelusiontalk.com

I transact value with other people all over the world by transferring bitcoins.  If you think that's not a currency, then you are the delusional one.

I can trade my TV for something else on Craigslist or anywhere in the world.  Does that make my TV a currency?  

A TV has value because of non-monetary uses.  Bitcoin only has value because of monetary use.
Or what is your definition of a currency?

Gold has non-monetary uses and has been used as a barter of exchange for millennia Wink

It's tough to define, I'd say a widely/generally accepted payment = a currency. People call it cash of the internet so I guess that counts.


Tell that to people who's currency is more volatile than BTC. As well as more manipulated. See Argentina. Many of us feel BTC will first see adoption outside America, waaaay outside.

The volatility of BTC is in large part a function of the instability of the current economic system in shambles all over the world. If economies were solid then BTC would still be at $1.
It will take time to find a price. Perhaps it won't even be with BTC, or at least not BTC in its current state.


That sounds like a good assessment, but surely in 3rd world countries where it is less digitised bringing the digital age will have much more growing pains? Wouldn't they be easier just doing what Zimbabwe has done and use more global currencies?

I mean, we're talking about a country where 1/3rd of its population don't have access to the internet.

http://www.internetworldstats.com/sa/ar.htm


Back on topic: Why hasn't this mini-rally been eaten by bears yet?
420  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 08, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
And how are big companies like Apple going to use bitcoin as a currency when it has a market cap of 1 billion?  It would be the equivalent of an elephant trying to get in through the dog-door.  A big market cap helps the viability of the currency.

Trying to get straight into the claws of an un-innovative (no idea the Antonym?) company like apple is the wrong approach. We need to build companies from the ground up that USE the currency like paypal would, for example. Whether through adoption or creation.

That was not my point.  My point was that for certain companies to realistically accept bitcoins, the market cap needs to be higher so that when they put in or take out value, the volatility/slippage doesn't hurt them.  "Evil" speculators that put their money in bitcoin will raise the marketcap and thereby help bitcoins transactional use (although emotional trading with buying high and selling low obviously has a negative effect through increasing volatility, but I don't think this can be helped as it is human nature).  So good traders are actually the best for bitcoin :-).  

So what, we have a huge market cap based around what? Its use to transfer wealth cheaply and quickly through the internet? Big companies are already heavily tied with the traditional banking system. They are not prone to change and they certainly wont for a 5 year old currency with an inflated market cap based on speculation. We need to build from the ground up. Let the companies see people wanting to spend bitcoins and they will follow. Trying to shortcut it is not helping adoption.
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