Gleb Gamow
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can you 4 guys move to other place to argue？
you 4 guys are bump this thread..
please stop.. thank you !
I'm bumping via providing relevant information in re Qtum. Although it's not a bad idea to start a scam accusation thread with everything neatly compiled if you haven't already. |
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Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit.
This project is not the average ICO scam shitcoin. Yes we know it is not the average ICO scam shitcoin, it is a more sophisticated ICO scam shitcoin. Thanks for agreeing. Come on, I feel like I'm in an interrogation here  I don't agree, I don't think this is a scam! not a small one nor a big one. I think it's a legit project being smeared! Sorry, I had to take the opportunity  I know you don't agree. But what I don't know is how you can just brush off everything I said: "Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit." Can you understand perhaps even a little bit why people are skeptical here given the context? There is a rich history of scams on this website and certain technical aspects of this ICO (no escrow, 49% premine, no source code) plus what many perceive as shady aspects of the team behind it don't help qtum's case at all. I've seen projects get called out as scams with MUCH less to go off of. Often times solely on the grounds of a premine, there being no escrow, or there being no product to show prior to launch (i.e. three conditions qtum satisfies)... Well I certainly understand that people are skeptical about ICOs and they should be when investing their hard earned money. I still think this project is different though but again I don't give investment advice, everyone should do their own research not trust me nor trust glebby. One of the reasons I believe this project is legit is the big names involved, I don't think we have seen such investors board on any recent ICO, I also like the technical aspect of it. And also the team seems to be working hard and attending to meetups and conferences, and it's the first one with a big audit firm involved and a professional governance model. They also said they will release the source code before the ICO, so all in all I don't have reasons to suspect this to be another scam. but don't take my word for it, just don't get influenced by paid trolls and do your own research. I'm voiced against the trolls because I think they're misleading and probably have alter-motives to smear it down! Fair enough. I strongly disagree that there aren't reasons to suspect a scam but that's my opinion based on my own research. And I don't think Gleb is a paid troll, and even if he was that isn't enough to dismiss all of the concerns he has brought up that are corroborated with evidence or by other people. And just because there isn't a smoking gun doesn't mean there isn't something fishy going on. Btw you can take a look at my first post in this thread I was intrigued by qtum for the same reasons you are, although even initially I was critical of the ICO distribution model, lack of escrow and benchmarks for fund release, and nondisclosure of the PoS inflation rate. Which reminds me, have they said what the PoS inflation rate will be yet? Anyways, I'm going to stop arguing back and forth with you because it's pointless and a waste of our time. At least until further developments, one way or another. Also I'd just like to point out that the flood of adverts and press releases is rather trite. Why not spend a fraction of that time and money on disproving the claims made by Gleb instead (or rather, in addition to)? |
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Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit.
This project is not the average ICO scam shitcoin. Yes we know it is not the average ICO scam shitcoin, it is a more sophisticated ICO scam shitcoin. Thanks for agreeing. Come on, I feel like I'm in an interrogation here I don't agree, I don't think this is a scam! not a small one nor a big one. I think it's a legit project being smeared! Sorry, I had to take the opportunity I know you don't agree. But what I don't know is how you can just brush off everything I said: "Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit." Can you understand perhaps even a little bit why people are skeptical here given the context? There is a rich history of scams on this website and certain technical aspects of this ICO (no escrow, 49% premine, no source code) plus what many perceive as very shady aspects of the team behind it don't help qtum's case at all. I've seen projects get called out as scams with MUCH less to go off of. Often times solely on the grounds of a premine, there being no escrow, or there being no product to show prior to launch (i.e. three conditions qtum satisfies)... |
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yet in 11 days them Chinese followers didn't click the links that were offered up in their mother tongue, NOT ENGLISH:
Youtube is banned in China glebby! Holy shit, can we frame this one? This guy isn't aware you can access youtube from China using a VPN  Chinese use their own social medias, they don't use youtube. Oh lord, we are reaching new levels of stupidity. DYOR! Let me get this straight... you think that the portion of the Chinese population that is involved in crypto doesn't use a VPN to access websites such as youtube? Lol. What I meant is the Chinese online social life is happening on completely different websites and apps like wechat, youku, qq, weibo .... Chinese don't care about nor use Youtube. That's simply not true. While it may only be a small percentage of the population that uses youtube, there most certainly are millions of people in China that use youtube. And I would wager there is strong overlap between those that use a VPN to access websites such as youtube and those that are involved/interested in cryptocurrencies. |
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Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit.
This project is not the average ICO scam shitcoin. Yes we know it is not the average ICO scam shitcoin, it is a more sophisticated ICO scam shitcoin. Thanks for agreeing. |
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yet in 11 days them Chinese followers didn't click the links that were offered up in their mother tongue, NOT ENGLISH:
Youtube is banned in China glebby! Holy shit, can we frame this one? This guy isn't aware you can access youtube from China using a VPN Chinese use their own social medias, they don't use youtube. Oh lord, we are reaching new levels of stupidity. DYOR! Let me get this straight... you think that the portion of the Chinese population that is involved in crypto doesn't use a VPN to access websites such as youtube? Lol. |
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yet in 11 days them Chinese followers didn't click the links that were offered up in their mother tongue, NOT ENGLISH:
Youtube is banned in China glebby! Holy shit, can we frame this one? This guy isn't aware you can access youtube from China using a VPN Chinese use their own social medias, they don't use youtube. Oh lord, we are reaching new levels of stupidity. |
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Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit.
This project is not the average ICO scam shitcoin. LOL that is the exact same thing ICO scam shitcoins have said in the past. Just because you say something doesn't make it true, honey. But you are right: it's not the AVERAGE ICO scam shitcoin- it appears to be a much more sophisticated ICO scam shitcoin. |
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yet in 11 days them Chinese followers didn't click the links that were offered up in their mother tongue, NOT ENGLISH:
Youtube is banned in China glebby! Holy shit, can we frame this one? This guy isn't aware you can access youtube from China using a VPN |
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Look, this is what it comes down to stackoverflow. People on this website have been scammed more times than they can remember. We've seen it all. It's been done in every way imaginable, and it continues to be done on the regular. Devs sharing their identities, "big name" endorsements, fancy whitepapers, etc, have all been parts of previous scams. These alone mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
So when a project like this comes around here asking for 10 million USD without escrow, without providing source code, and with a whole lot of extra baggage due to its founder being accused of theft and due to shadiness surrounding the identities of other team members and the random Chinese exchanges the ICO will be held on- you better bet your ass you and the rest of the team need to take responsibility and address the concerns of potential investors. And if you don't you can bet your ass there will be no shortage of people who have been screwed over in the past that are ready and willing to continually call you out for your bullshit.
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when lisk will release 0.7.0 for mainnet? and why after a release of a new wallet nobody cares about it, nobody pump it. It's strange do you think whales are accumulating?
Well its mostly stabilization releases, so yeah most doesn't care since in their head its already supposed to be rock solid from day one. Day one? Let's be real here. What day are we actually on now...? |
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Hey all, how are things with ICN? My attention has been elsewhere lately. Any noteworthy news?
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irrelevant BS.
How is information pertaining to this project and its team members irrelevant? Do you really think anybody believes you are just some random gungho supporter spending every waking moment of your day here defending a project you will only "probably" invest in? Just because you can't connect the dots doesn't mean others are so blind. |
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You're damn right glebby! you are a scammer! You are amazingly committed to attacking Gleb's integrity (while ignoring the content of his posts) for somebody who will only "probably" invest in this project. It's just you and a bunch of crickets supporting qtum at this point. Everybody else that has looked through this thread has seen more than enough to raise their suspicions. But you? Nah, not you. |
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Oh now the paid trolls squad is going after Earlz! Earlz is an old respected member of the community, and I'm sure he would not have gotten involved in this project if he had suspected it to be wrong. But nice try glebby&co Try harder! Yeah I'm sure all the bagholders of the shitcoins earlz has made and left behind in the past hold him in such high regards. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950084.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=594886.0For someone who has supposedly built a reputation off of reviewing shitcoin code for hidden premines etc they sure do like to make shitcoins they can speedmine, dump, and then abandon. Need to put this requirement in bold red font: "**If you wanna join us, you need to pay 25,000 NXT first."
I just noticed that. Don't have any NXT so count me out...
-tb-
OK, thanks. We will give MSG Tokens and part of source code to beta testers before launch. 25,000 NXT is to ensure that beta testers really want to help us but not cheating us out of tokens or code. If we use escrow, someone may come to ruin this project or leak our source code then get NXT back. Thanks. You know you have to open source it eventually right? Assuming you want serious investors If only he stood by his own words in regards to qtum. Where is the open source code if you are asking for 10 million? |
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Here's my take on this: No code on Github :’( : not uncommon in ICO projects No Escrow. : Using only exchanges, which are kind of an escrow POS 51% distribution : There is a governance plan, and PwC involvment, this is not the average shitcoin where the dev dumps the premine and disappears, too many big actors involved. Using multiple different identities and aliases.: People use aliases, it's not uncommon neither. The team is obviously not trying to hide their identity, they attend to meetups and conferences ... Connection with multiple projects one being Bitbay.: If someone invested in BitBay, does not make them scammers. Deletion of connections and associations.: Details  Previous ICO’s and a history of leaving projects. Details Maybe the team can give more info! Maybe they can, but they won't. How is it that you are the only person on BCT that has any (and quite excessive) faith in this project in light of everything that has been brought up? You are obviously connected to this project. Also, "No code on Github :’( : not uncommon in ICO projects" Actually that's pretty damn uncommon for a project hoping to raise 10 million without using escrow. Usually if there is no code at the start, an escrow is used so that the money isn't released until the code is released and certain benchmarks are reached. Also, "No Escrow. : Using only exchanges, which are kind of an escrow" might be true except it has been shown now that qtum team members own some of the exchanges they are using to host the ICO. Also, "Connection with multiple projects one being Bitbay.: If someone invested in BitBay, does not make them scammers." Not simply connected with BitBay, the leader of qtum- Patrick Dai- stole money from BitBay. A bit of a difference there. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890531.msg17942817#msg17942817 |
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Can you list the those claims?
LMAO you love going in circles, don't you? It's a great way to avoid the issues. Just keep running in circles til the other person gets tired and gives up. Classic. Again: https://medium.com/@icocountdown/due-diligence-pack-for-qtum-7369ef48917b#.8pzf5aj9tHow many more times will I have to list them for you before you are capable of reading and responding to them? You are either the dumbest person I have ever met on this website or you are a paid shill. I should note, though, that the above list is not even exhaustive. It doesn't mention the connections between the Chinese exchanges and qtum team members or the Time and Toni Markov shadiness, for example. |
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I'm not the one who can/will answer you, I'll leave it to the team.
On a side note, that article is biased, and the author is a known scammer!
We already know you can attack people personally what we want to see is if you know how to use logic and evidence to defend your position, so far all signs point to "Nope". And if you can't answer that, then how can you have so much confidence in qtum?!? You aren't concerned by the fact you aren't able to refute the claims made against qtum? That NOBODY has been able to refute them? How much more obvious can you make it that you are a paid shill? |
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So PwC is a scam too? come on! Read what I said, dumbass. "Pwc has history of not being able to detect fraud." Followed by 5 reputable references corroborating that claim. My lord, you are dense. No need for name calling, how many crypto projects you know have support from a top 4 auditing firm? A top 4 auditing firm that is possibly about to go under for not being able to detect a billion dollar scam? You are right, none. https://medium.com/@icocountdown/due-diligence-pack-for-qtum-7369ef48917b#.8pzf5aj9t still waiting. |
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