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401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: April 02, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Oh Okay. Im wrong about ICN being at ICNX. But still what purpose is ICN for ICNX?

Previous discussion does not explain the need of having two tokens i.e. ICN and ICNX. Wouldn't one be sufficient? I mean ICN could have acted like what ICNX is supposed to do.  Now the real profit would be given ICNX holders in terms of sharing profit from crypto trades.  Why was the need to have ICN then?

These quotes and others shows that Tim and others at ICONOMI still have some serious communications problems in getting their message across to the public.  These communications problems need to get addressed immediately if not sooner, and should be at or near the top of the priority list.  Are you listening, guys?

There's gaps in my own understanding which I would appreciate somebody correcting.  In particular, what's the difference between DAMP (digital assets management platform) and OFM (open funds management) platform?   Newer and older names for the same thing?  Not clear to me at all, I missed that memo...

Anyway, ICONOMI has three main projects under development at the same time.  First is ICONOMI.performance, which invests directly in new cryptocoin IPOs.  A second is ICONOMI.index, which calculates an average price among a basket of cryptocoins selected by ICONOMI itself, then tracks changes in that price.  Third is the DAMP/OFM platform, which will be a marketplace where anybody can set up and run their own index fund like ICONOMI.index, based on a different personal mix of coins, and then try to attract investors to their fund as a higher-profit effort.  

ICN is a share of ownership in all ICONOMI software and intellectual property, as well as a share of the fees and profits ICONOMI makes from ALL THREE of their main projects, and also from any other efforts they fund in the future (such as cofound.it).  ICNX is a share of just the index-rise profit made from ONLY ONE of these projects.

There will be times where the ICONOMI.index falls, ICNX suffers a loss, but ICONOMI as a whole will make profit on their other projects.  On that day you want to be holding ICN, not ICNX.      
402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥[GUNBOT] Automatic Poloniex Profit Generator🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 on: March 31, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
I just sent twofreckles a 0.1 BTC complete refund for his license, and my Polo API key to Gunthar.  Looking forward to taking Gunbot out for a spin.
403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥[GUNBOT] Automatic Poloniex Profit Generator🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 on: March 31, 2017, 11:50:09 AM
If you are not 100% decided to use it stay away cause money is gone once you paid it, otherwise go for it, as it works as described.

Also I would gladly give up my licence for 0.07 BTC. The price oryginal price is 0.1

I'll buy your license. Sent you a PM.
404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 30, 2017, 01:45:04 PM

NOT...JUST...HODL....

I...GOT...MOAR...

WHILE...THERE'S...STILL...MOAR...TO...GET...




"IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.  IT'S ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE."
405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 29, 2017, 01:00:57 AM
Can someone help me understand why someone would benefit from holdin ICN now? I understand my "stake"/"portion" of the company will increase but what's the benefit of that? Also, assuming no one is buying how would price increase other than by the devs making "mini pumps" as they buy and burn

There are only two reasons to hold ICN tokens.  

Reason 1 to hold ICN tokens:  You think their price will go up.

Reason 2 to hold ICN tokens:  They determine your fair share of ICONOMI profit from platform fees (OPM), index appreciation (ICNX) and ICO investments (ICNP).

These two reasons existed before today's announcement.   These two reasons exist after today's announcement.  

Today's announcement has done NOTHING to change the benefit level of ICN tokens, or the reasons to hold those ICN tokens.

All that has happened is the METHOD OF TRANSFER has changed to get your fair share of ICONOMI profit to you.

The original plan was to distribute profits to you as occasional DIRECT PAYMENTS called "dividends".  

The new plan is to distribute profits to you as INDIRECT PAYMENTS by raising the price of the ICN tokens you hold.

Before, if you wanted to put the transmitted profit payments in your pocket, you did nothing; they would magically show up in a seperate ETH account.

Now, if you want to put the transmitted profit payments in your pocket, you have to sell an appropriate amount of your more-valuable ICN tokens at an exchange after each "burn amount" is announced.

IF ICONOMI GENERATES ONGOING, GROWING PROFITS FROM OPM, ICNX AND ICNP....

THEN THERE WILL ALWAYS BE NEW BUYERS OF INCREASINGLY VALUABLE, INCREASINGLY RARE ICN TO CLAIM THOSE PROFITS.

THESE NEW BUYERS ARE WHO YOU WILL SELL YOUR "PROFIT" ICN TOKENS TO...NOT DEV "MINI-PUMPS"


The "correct" amount of ICN tokens to sell is that amount making your personal proportion of all ICN tokens held worldwide to be the same both before and after a quarterly burn.

This action transmits the "correct" amount of profit to you, just as if it had magically appeared in a seperate account as ETH.  

Plus, this action assures you have a constant propoortional ownership level of all ICN coins and keeps your fair share of future ICONOMI profits to be unchanged over time.

Plus, instead of being INFLATIONARY like Bitcoin and Ethereum whose number in circulation get GREATER AND GREATER over time, or instead of the original plan for a CONSTANT 100M ICN tokens, the new burn plan makes ICN to be a DEFLATIONARY token whose number in circulation will become SMALLER AND SMALLER.  This means ICN tokens are becoming scarcer and scarcer as (hopefully) more and more buyers come into the ICONOMI system.  This scarcity should be a major factor in driving ICN prices HIGHER AND HIGHER over time.  

Plus...

NO MORE FUD ABOUT UNREGULATED DIVIDEND-PAYING INVESTMENTS = HERE COMES AMERICAN INVESTORS (POLONIEX) BUYING INTO THE ICONOMI SYSTEM !!!

YOU...BET...YOUR...ASS...I...AM...HODLING !!!





406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 28, 2017, 10:51:38 PM
...I promise I will burn half of coins each month ... where is the demand? Just because I promise to burn some of the coins people will jump in and buy ?

And how is this is different from "I promise Chinese miners will create 12 new Bitcoins worth over $12,000 every ten minutes for the next four years...where is the demand for these new coins?  Just because I mine them, people will jump in and buy?"

If Bitcoin can make an INFLATIONARY coin that is CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR become a success, then I can certainly believe ICONOMI can make a DEFLATIONARY coin BACKED BY ACTUAL FEES AND PROFITS GENERATED BY THE ICONOMI TRADING PLATFORM, INDEXES AND ICO INVESTMENTS become a success, too.  

Instead of "dividends" that choke off American investment, they are now going to replicate "mining" without having a PoW blockchain.  Only in this case, the level of "mining"/burning is REGULATED AND BACKED BY ACTUAL FEES AND REVENUES, not just generated in an open loop with no feedback as Bitcoin does it.  A currency that is backed by actual progress in its use space is superior to the "mine and pray the buyers show up" system pioneered by Bitcoin.
407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 28, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
With burning coins, maybe the price of each ICN would get higher (its no guaranty about this), but in order for you to actually use those gains you would need to diminish your amount of ICN and in the end have none. So, if the project its a success you will be able to actually enjoy the gains only by getting out of the project.

No!!!


ICONOMI burning coins INCREASES YOUR PROPORTIONAL SHARE in the ICN tokens that are left.  If you then choose to go and sell just enough coins at the theoretical slightly-higher price to PUT ONLY THE TRANSMITTED PROFIT IN YOUR POCKET, then the coins you have left represent the SAME PROPORTIONAL SHARE IN THE ICONOMI PROJECT that you had before the burn / profit distribution.  

IF you correctly limit your personal ICN token sales after a burn / profit transmission, THEN you maintain a constant proportional level of ownership in overall ICN tokens PLUS you put profit from the ICONOMI project in your pocket.  

BURNING PROFIT ICN NEVER FORCES ANYBODY OUT OF THE ICONOMI PROJECT.

THE KEY METRIC IS NOT HOW MANY TOKENS YOU HOLD - IT IS MAINTAINING A CONSTANT PROPORTIONAL OWNERSHIP IN THE PROJECT.
408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 28, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
Bad news to those who will or did not get on board in time, this shuttle is reaching ESCAPE VELOCITY as I write this message, that means there is no way to get back to earth anymore, those old time where you could buy 1 ICN below 100$ are gone.

Game Over, Thank You very much my friends.

Congratulations to hodlers and supporters.

Many people are not online and their sell walls are going down incredibly quickly, very sad, I can feel their pain as they go back online to read what is going on.
And this beautiful 2 pizzas car, from yesterday, would be a ferrari in two weeks, my sincere condolences...

Sigh.  I think you are right.
409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 28, 2017, 07:06:12 PM


ICONOMI...CREATING VALUE IN THE NEW ECONOMY SINCE 2017
410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 28, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
We must stay strong, keep positive and hold like fuck





411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 06:52:20 PM
ICN at $0.69 = Mallionaire

LOL.  I am waiting for this number.  It is very easy for me to remember: '69 = Moon Landing.    

412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 03:27:55 PM
Mal are you massively into ICN as you were in Lisk?

I sold all my Lisk in August, around 750K.  After a few weeks playing around in Ethereum Classic and Factom, I went all-in on ICONOMI.  And I'm glad I did.

This is me.  Sigh, that withdrawal to buy the convertible is only going to get more and more expensive.  But you gotta enjoy life a little as it glides by...

https://etherscan.io/token/ICONOMI?a=0x77054376c0d1f737195d65a34ba5676433fbe7ce

I AM HODLING !!!
413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
ICONOMI is heating up. I absolutely love this! It deserves to be up there with top ethereum tokens!

Compare today's mountain chart with yesterday's.  The previous sell walls at 0.00044 have evaporated.  

ICN AT 0.0005 BTC - HERE WE COME !!!

414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 03:00:40 AM
ICONOMI IS GOING UP !!!



415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 02:44:33 AM
****
ICN is very close to the characteristics of shares. The big exchanges like Polo tread carefully when it comes to instruments that are share-like as it attracts the regulation of traditional exchanges and requires careful maneuvering. Lesser exchanges that do not care too much about US regulations will list it more easily.

BS every exchange is same here crypto is unregulated and even exchange list it like it was with DAO no one give a fuck to US government.
Even SEC wrote that they can not do anything to crypto companies because this is unregulated area.


Just for the record, the SEC recently declined to approve the Winklevoss Twins ETF project PRECISELY BECAUSE they were wanting to sell their Bitcoin ETF in a marketplace that was NOT under SEC regulation!!!

https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/batsbzx/2017/34-80206.pdf

"(Page 2)...Based on the record before it, the Commission <SEC> believes that the significant markets for
bitcoin are unregulated. ...(page 38) The Commission <SEC> notes that bitcoin is still in the relatively early stages of its development
and that, over time, regulated bitcoin-related markets of significant size may develop....(SEC Footnote 146, page 38)...The Exchange notes, for example, that the CME and the ICE recently announced bitcoin pricing indexes.  See Amendment No. 1, supra note 1, 81 FR at 76666. In the future, regulated futures or derivative markets might begin to trade products based on these indexes."

REGULATED DERIVATIVE MARKETS EVOLVE FROM NEW, INITIALLY UNREGULATED DERIVATIVE MARKETS.  

GO ICONOMI GO !!!
416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 26, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
I take a different stance than some in the ICN community in that I WANT ICN listen on big exchanges not because of pumps, but because the increased liquidity would help minimize the impact of a single player affecting the price. A few days ago Mal sold some of his ICN to buy a car and crashed the price like 20%. The price recovered but it took all night.

Speaking of my new (actually 2003) car, I got tired of waiting on the trucking company to ship the car to me for the promised $600.  I was on a business trip to a Florida test lab last week. When I was in Atlanta on the way home on Thursday, I decided to hell with waiting any longer, bought a $127 Atlanta-to-Detroit ticket on Spirit Airlines, rented an Enterprise car one-way for $95, made the two hour-drive north to Bay City MI where the convertible was located, spent $55 at an Econolodge to get a good night's sleep, and then drove my new convertible home the next day on Friday in a 14 hour, 750 mile road trip across Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee.  It was fun. The trip took "only" $100 of gasoline, so I "saved" $223 over using a trucking company.  I got to know the car well and decided to name her Elizabeth.  She is a GREAT vehicle, everything I had hoped for and more.  Here she is in my garage at last, needing a good bath.



Here's 1998 Patricia, my faithful and solid ride for many years, who is getting sold next week after being replaced by a cuter, younger filly.  THAT'S an old story....



Again, thanks ICONOMI Team for a profitable investment!

Elizabeth will just have to do until it's Lambo Time with ICONOMI.  Which may be sooner than we all think.

I...AM...HODLING!!!




417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🔹🅰RK[ANN]🔹A Platform for Consumer Adoption with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK LAUNCHED! on: March 21, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
Congratulations on the successful launch of ARK!

With this milestone complete, I have turned over the second-signature passcode to Mike.  

This ends my duties as ARK escrow agent.

ARK now has full control over 4.7M donated Lisk currently stored here:

https://explorer.lisk.io/address/9569486828221897676L

Good luck, ARK team!
418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 16, 2017, 03:49:54 PM
That was you that dumped the price to .00022 last night?

If I remember correctly I took it down to 0.000229, somebody else took it to 0.000220, and now it is currently back up to 0.000264 less than 12 hours later.  I think there is an important observation here - somebody is buying up all the ICN they can get.  Both of us apparently think ICN is a good thing to hodl, I just needed some cash for a car.

I hope my ICN went into lots of new people's wallets and to lots of new ICONOMI owners.  Somehow I don't think it did.  
419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 16, 2017, 02:14:16 PM
Well, I'm still hodling but I have also decided to buy a (somewhat special) used car with around 2% of my ICN holdings.  It's not a Lambo, but it is going to be a great upgrade from my current 1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GS convertible daily driver.  This one is a 2003 GTS, a very nice step up from my current ride.  What can I say, I like Eclipse Spyders, even if they stopped making them in 2012.  They were never a true muscle car like a Mustang or a Camaro but they are great little cars with plenty of power - and Miatas are way too small for me.  This 2003 GTS has 210 HP before tuning the car's computer chip, which I intend to do.  And I do so love having that top down with sunshine and wind in my hair...  

Check out the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDlFYLJJIEE

Here's a photo of my new baby:



More photos:

http://www.showcasemitsubishi.com/2003_Mitsubishi_Eclipse%20Spyder_Bay%20City_MI_6910982.veh#

Tech specs for the 2003 Eclipse Spyder GTS:

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2003/2007440/mitsubishi_eclipse_spyder_gts_sportronic.html

I was a little worried about doing a mini-dump to get this cash, but I see I need not have worried - the ICN has recovered quickly to its current "normal" price.

Thanks, ICONOMI team, for helping me get some nice wheels by investing in your profitable project!

I...AM...STILL...HODLING !!!
420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 11, 2017, 08:55:03 PM
ICN is Pumping! News, anyone?
ICNX is ath. 10% up just today.
Still hodling!!!
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