Various governments around the world exist for lots of different reasons.
Unfortunately, for some reason Bitcoin seems to attract a few extremist nutters who worship Property (and money) above all else as their god, and equate most forms of 'community' and organisational structures with Satan. They see Bitcoin as a useful tool that they can misuse to promote their crazy utopias.
If property is such a terrible thing, why do the statists want to take it so badly? Because they're lying, or they're hypocrites, or they want the use of property for themselves but not for others, or... well, insert any corrupt reason you can think of. It's the same shit pie that Catholicism sold to everyone ("be poor, give all your money to the church because property is bad"), just shrinkwrapped in a new statist package. |
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In other words, you're not qualified to render an opinion on the subject matter here. Try again.
My point is that most people who do, including statist control freaks like yourself aren't. The difference is, I'm not trying to send us back to the stone age. I was hoping to have a discussion with you about climate change, but it's becoming apparent that you can't. Anyway, where was that circular logic you were talking about? And where did I mention reverting society to the stone age? You have all these funny assumptions, and they're quite cliched, and frankly, worthless. No, YOU can't have a conversation about climate change. You've been shown computer source code evidence here that the whole "climate change" is a FABRICATION, but you resist it. Clearly you cannot be reasoned with. |
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You believe AGW is happening or not?
"AGW?" Puh-leez....AGW is old and busted. Because ClimateGate. The new hotness is ACC. Because if the weather changes, ManBearPig is real. Do try and keep up:  CRU's Source Code: Climategate Uncovered http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/crus_source_code_climategate_r.htmlAs the evidence of fraud at the University of East Anglia's prestigious Climatic Research Unit (CRU) continues to mount, those who've been caught green-handed continue to parry their due opprobrium and comeuppance, thanks primarily to a dead-silent mainstream media. But should the hubris and duplicity evident in the e-mails of those whose millennial temperature charts literally fuel the warming alarmism movement somehow fail to convince the world of the scam that's been perpetrated, certainly these revelations of the fraud cooked into the computer programs that create such charts will. Bottom line: CRU's evidence is now irrevocably tainted. As such, all assumptions based on that evidence must now be reevaluated and readjudicated. And all policy based on those counterfeit assumptions must also be reexamined. Gotcha. We know they've been lying all along, and now we can prove it. It's time to bring sanity back to this debate. The emails are damning enough to global warming believers but the source code that was also leaked from the servers of the now disgraced Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the East Anglia University in England are far more damaging. http://oneutah.org/environment/global-warming/climategate-source-code-more-damning-than-emails/;
; Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!
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yrloc=[1400,findgen(19)*5.+1904]
valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6,$
2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75 ; fudge factor
(…)
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; APPLY ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION
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yearlyadj=interpol(valadj,yrloc,x)
densall=densall+yearlyadj valadj is an array that if we plug in the numbers we get Michael Mann’s hockeystick. The programmers have hard coded a predetermined result. “We can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!”
- source code comment for the HADCRUT temperature set Sigh. I suppose it's a Good Thing that Occutards like FA are increasingly infesting even this former bastion of rationality. That indicates word about Bitcoin is spreading among the Max Kremlin lefty airhead types. So in the spirit of ecumenity, welcome to the real world FA! May Satoshi bless you in the future with less ignorance and greater understanding. |
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Why can't Keynesians go make their own currency so they can stop trolling?
Cos nobody would use their Ponzi shit. The only way their scheme "works" (that is, lasts longer than a day in active use) is if they impose it on everyone else violently. |
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I use a very simple test: Would doing this to an adult be "OK?" If not, it's not OK to use the tactic with a child. Public humiliation is not exactly a violation of the NAP, but it's definitely not cool to use with an adult, so you shouldn't use it with an adult. Yeah, this is a very good heuristic. Some adults often humiliate or otherwise abuse their kids in ways that would get their faces split in two if they did the exact same thing to an adult -> it follows that people who do that are cowardly scum. |
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Wow...looks to me you don't realize there's also Europe and Asia. How about you come back to Earth and open a book on geography. You seem to have skipped first grade. How about you contribute something constructive to the conversation instead of dumping condescension and snark? Thanks. |
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It might be illegal but theres nothing you can do if someone takes your coins. If the only excuse to have a state is to enforce property law what point is the state if that is impossible ?
Illegality is a moot point without enforceability and if people know they can get away with something it will brinng out the worst in humanity.
Could you expand on the idea that "theres nothing you can do if someone takes your coins"? What if somebody takes your cash, wouldn't you expect the state to make them give it back? Or if somebody takes off with your car? How is bitcoin any different? Anyone who has ever been burgled will tell you about waiting 6 hours for the cops to show. The only time I ever got my money back was having contents insurance, not from the state. Now think about how they are going to find some random hacker in russia who steals your coins. Now if you can have your bitcoins insured then and only then do you stand a chance. If you get mugged on the street there is a possibility a camera saw it happen and that the thief is a local. Tell me exactly how the state can do fucking anything at all about stolen bitcoins ? If the only excuse for the state to exist is the protection of property what is the excuse in a world where that is impossible ? Take the State to the backyard and shoot it in the back of the head. That is what Bitcoin already did. |
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Except for the once-a decade cold fusion hoaxes. Can't go without mentioning them  But look on the bright side, if the trend holds you can buy thorium reactors from China by 2022. Yeah, but the paint on them will contain lead. 'ts okay, what's a little melamine on the milk among friends, rite? :-) |
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Is something tangible if it can be copied?
Yes. If something can be copied it must be tangible. You can't copy the big red dragon I just imagined but you can copy the song I just sang.Information also has other properties that make it intangible.
Like? The fact that information can have value doesnt make it tangible. Never said it did. You seem to suggest that only tangible things can have a value. Seems or actually is are two different things. I did not and do not think only tangible things can have value. That's your own imagination. Dude, you're clueless. I cannot copy any song you sing, i can only copy some information about the song. Again the information is intangible. A container containing the information is tangible tho. Your red dragon is exactly like an mp3. It is information stored in some medium. The mp3 on your harddrive and the red dragon in your brain. And just like you can copy your mp3 you can also copy the information about your dragon and store it in another medium. One of the things that makes information intangible is that it requires a medium of sorts to be contained. So for information to be usefull it needs a tangible substrate. But the information is not depenant on that particular instance of tagibility. It can be copied or transfered to another tangible carrier. The information is independent of the tangible carrier. You say that you can copy tangible things but that is not true. You can only copy information and apply that to some other tangible thing. So you can take the information of how to build your house and send it to me and i could build another house just like yours. But you cannot copy your actual house and simply send me the copy. That is because your house is tangible and the information about how to build is isnt. And you did suggest that information is tangible because people value it. You came with the example of miners. Because they value bitcoin it must be tangible. Your exact words were: "...The reality is we have tangible digital goods. Clearly, otherwise I don't know why people spend hours mining for some digital gold...". So here you directly state that it is somehow clear that bitcoin is tangible because people mine for it. I don't know what you think i'm imagining here. I assume you understand what the word 'tangible' means. So please tell me what aspect of bitcoin makes it tangible? And why would you insist on applying such an inadequate description to something like information anyway? Why not find a more appropriate word that covers the intricacies of informational transfers in a better way? Whats the point of calling it tangible when it's not? Dude, you are out of your depth ... still waiting for your explanation of why my comments were "one-sided paranoia FUD ..."? At this point, it seems you have chosen the tangential reasoning path to cover up your slandering. I agree with this observation of character. |
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What if somebody takes your cash, wouldn't you expect the state to make them give it back? Or if somebody takes off with your car? How is bitcoin any different?
 The State will surely deliver. Let's just wait. |
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AMERICA!, STUBBORN TO CHANGE!
"i want to buy your gulf oil with USD"
"No, I will sell my gulf oil for precious metals"
*gunshot, casualty*
"You will sell me your gulf oil for USD"
"I'll sell you my gulf oil for your precious metals"
*gunshot, casualty*
"You will take our USD for your oil"
"I uhh, Will trade oil for metal?"
*gunshot, War*
Thats what the fucking gulf war is all about, Americans getting angry that other countries wouldnt take USD.
Exactly. |
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Explain to me a better social system than one where everyone is given a voice and allowed equal participation? Who here has suggested a social system where everyone ISN'T given a voice and allowed equal participation? Both liberal democracy and ancap allow free speech. Democracy doesn't always mean equal participation, either - for example: * Elected representatives and judges can participate in ways you can't. * Some sub-jurisdictions (states/territories/cities) have more political power per capita than others. * Some democracies ban felons, children, the mentally ill, and non-citizen residents from voting. * Minority political groups might not be listed on the ballot, or be completely disqualified after the primaries. I don't mean to imply you support any of those things - but democracy neither guarantees nor is the sole path to having a voice and equal participation in a society. Indeed. Democracy relies on inequality (giving an exclusive clique of people superpowers over everyone else) in order to (allegedly) "bring about equality". That's like saying "In order for me to give you a rape-free life, I'mma gonna have to rape you now." IOW, absurd. |
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I like how many who are denouncing "democracy" point to things like the American political system.
Democracy was shit already back in the Greek Republic days. No need to refer to the current shitty system (which happens to fulfill dictionary definitions of democracy, No True Scotsmen notwithstanding) to know that democracy is shit. |
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Luckily the dog or their kids never got shot.
That would have been par for the course. We are, after all, talking about armed costumed men who will brutalize and even kill you if you resist obeying them. The cow is only good insofar as it produces milk and offspring -- cows who resist this are quickly slaughtered. |
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In Democracy, it's your vote that counts.
In Feudalism, it's your Count that votes.
Get it right, sheesh.
And for once, I would like to hear a realistic example of a person's death actually saving 20 innocent children, and how the hell voting somehow came into the equation.
FAIL: As in feudalism, in democracy, your vote is a suggestion. If you don't like the example of a man being killed to save 20 innocent children, what about an arm being cut? What if there's no damage to his body.. we only wipe all his money? Or maybe only a little? Is it about how high is the aggression... the point is: is your body and your life yours? Well said. Unfortunately, I don't think you are going to convince your interlocutor that his slave suggestion boxes are slave suggestion boxes -- his brain is too putrefact with staazi propaganda that portraya the box as a direct line to his gods where he can grovel to the gods to please save him from evil people who just want to be left alone and not be violated. |
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Very, very good insight.
More like one-sided paranoia FUD... I recognize your manipulative attempt to discredit great insight by calling it names without actually presenting any argument. I reject it and observe that your behavior is dishonest and malintentioned. |
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I loved this article. Post more.
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The government doesn't exist to protect your property. That's YOUR job. It's the police dept. job to investigate any wrongs, but what you are implying is that you are throwing your wallet out into the street and the gov'ment is supposed to be there to guard it.
The federal government exists for infrastructure and defense, not to hold your hand in your financial decisions.
To the extent that I was informed, you are mistaken. Allegedly the whole point of the government is to provide protection -- this is what is known as "duty of protection" that you get in exchange for your "duty of allegiance" that you owe to the government. And yes, this "duty of protection" allegedly extends to your property. Why do you think theft and fraud are statutorily codified as crime? Now, to be fair, government has repeatedly stated that they owe no such "duty of protection" (look up the Marc Stevens talk called Delusions). This means that the reason given by people doing business as "government" to boss you around and violently punish you when you fail to fulfill your "duty of Allegiance" is obviously a false reason -- in short, that they are operating nothing more than a massive criminal scam under color of legitimacy. But we knew that already. |
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I don't see what isn't democratic about the Bitcoin network, you acquire the support of majority hashing power and the minority has the choice to just follow or start their own network. That is well, democracy in such a clear way that I couldn't even think of a better example of real democracy.
A majority of miners can't change the network rules. If every miner chose to increase the block reward from 50 BTC to 100 BTC, they would all just be ignored by everyone else. Your client applies the fixed rules of the network no matter what other people do. Far from being a disappointing example of its nondemocratic nature I would suggest this just affirms its alignment to the democratic spirit, in terms of transparency and fairness etc.; not giving advantage to any particular interest group or class ( e.g. miners ) even if they constitute a majority of participants. And it is the real world context - the freedom to participate rather than being coerced into this or that - and the spirit behind the system we should keep in mind isn't it, rather than arguing over semantics just for the sake of argument? Something that we can help the common people feel good about in supporting and participating in... rather than turning a lot of them off with the narrow and/or belligerent and/or agenda driven views of this or that group or class ( e.g. libertarians ). This will be my last word on this particular subject... perhaps.... I retain my assumed right of free speech and free association. Ah, "democratic spirit". Like, "I accept that this coke bottle is obviously not blue, but it certainly conforms to the blue spirit". Meaningless drivel designed to resist the truth and retain faith in an obsolete mythology. |
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do you think money is democratic ?
wake up!
Isn't the point that bitcoin is meant to be better than the current fiat money? Something more... god forbid... democratic?  It is a common staazi mistake to equivocate "democratic" for "good". Of course this mistake is to be expected, since every child is repeatedly brainwashed for twelve years with this false association that serves staazi ideology. In this sense people use the word "democratic" like they use the word "American" -- as a false virtue, a word that is supposed to stand for "good". Yes bitcoin is good -- that does not make bitcoin Democratic. None of the defining features of any democratic system are present in the bitcoin system, so hazek is right, bitcoin is by very definition undemocratic. The homework for the reader is to figure out how that reality of bitcoin is precisely what makes it good. |
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