Would be interesting to see if Iconomi Performance fund invests in Melonport.
Melonport is a future competitor of Iconomi. It would only have OFM which Iconomi is also supposed to have
No way they're gonna invest there, few reasons imo: 1. ICO structure is bad, not to say scummy 2. Time to market is extremely long - 2 years of development 3. Product - first, it will support only ethereum based tokens. Also it will have both centralized and decentralized aspects - which in my opinion increases the chance of hack and/or abuse 4. Team 5. Why would they invest in a company that aims to do part of what they will do? Iconomi can do it better and faster |
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Good move from Iconomi!
Will be much better to post meaningful information and conduct healthy Iconomi-related debates than troll hunting
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It's not a proven fact that this fudgroup is funded by Melonport so I wouldn't target them.
I wrote bananaport, FYI |
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Trolls are getting desperate they won't get paid by bananaport.
Kraken is delisting ICN, SEC arrested Jani and Tim - they have no more ammunition and are desperate they won't be paid
SEC only applies for US citizens and ONLY for buying or creating their own funds - it is not related to holding ICN, not even for US citizens.
Lunch money trolls need to work harder for their bananaport tokens that are soon to be diluted over 2 years of development
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Stop feeding this lunchmoney troll |
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lol, no news about the conference in florida
no one even knows if they talked or what they talked about
could be a giant scam, price fell 40 points today
only up because bagholders are desperate to keep the ship afloat
I am a fuckin trollGot proof? STOP FEEDING THEM |
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Melonport: - Supply inflates by 25% to 50% every year indefinitely - No dividends - Platform won't be fully functional until February 2018 - It only works with ERC20 tokens on ethereum blockchain, so you have to trust this centralized company to hold all the fiat and BTC anyways: https://www.decentralizedcapital.com/#/- Assets are all held in hot smart contracts - Assets are all held in hot smart contracts LOLOLOLOLOLOL I see them investors running to put their money there poor poor kids.. that lunch money gets REKT again |
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LOL Warren troll have finally came out of his shithole
why don't you go to melonport thread and post there?
As for "decentralized platform" melonport that has planned time to market in 2 years and the funds held in cold storage? Really decentralized..
Or they will be held by the smart contract - let's go for the DAO2 hack.. I see tons of traditional investors pour their money there.
LOL
With scummy ex golden sucks VP and ICO investors to be diluted during those 2 years your lunch money investment will not be enough to by a tree fiddy.
Daparski & /u/REPholder must be the same person. Always making poor investment choices... ps. I hate to break it to you, but Gnosis will kill REP, just like Neufund & Melonport will kill Iconomi.  You ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.. Try using your head for a change.. Daparski is Daparski both here and on reddit.. I can see how your lunch box investment in melonport gets decentralized eaten byte after byte.. for 2 years |
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LOL Warren troll have finally came out of his shithole
why don't you go to melonport thread and post there?
As for "decentralized platform" melonport that has planned time to market in 2 years and the funds held in cold storage? Really decentralized..
Or they will be held by the smart contract - let's go for the DAO2 hack.. I see tons of traditional investors pour their money there.
LOL
With scummy ex golden sucks VP and ICO investors to be diluted during those 2 years your lunch money investment will not be enough to by a tree fiddy.
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Messages regarding the platform being delayed until July 20th regarding regulation issues and fiat deposits in the Telegeam channel. Anyone can confirm or just FUD?
Pretty sure they'd post about it not just within the chat rooms. There's just one or a few retards that started spamming the thread, chat rooms with crap. Sadly you're free to create 100s of accounts on bct, exactly what people do to FUD and shill shit. always check https://medium.com/iconominet or twitter for official announcements |
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I don't see any answers from this team. Do they have someone that is in charge of this? The article in Forbes is the only news I see and it looks like a paid add, why is there no other press on this?
Forbes is not the only media coverage we've got.  Check out these links: http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/innovation/taas-developing-bloomberg-like-cryptocurrency-portfolio-management-platform/http://financefeeds.com/pr/taas-first-fully-transparent-closed-end-fund-dedicated-blockchain-assets-announces-ico/http://paymentweek.com/2017-2-2-taas-the-first-fully-transparent-closed-end-fund-dedicated-to-blockchain-assets-announces-ico/http://www.banklesstimes.com/2017/02/04/saas-announces-initial-coin-offering/I hope the Crowdsale soon will be escrow provided, so investors will be more confident to invest in this project and they thought it would be safer
Why would anyone invest in this? They don't even tell you what you're investing in, it sounds like they are just trying to get peoples money so they can go gamble it on the exchanges. In a previous post I explained how HLB International (hlbi.com) will be doing a thorough audit of ICO use of proceeds. It is an analogue for escrow, but MUCH safer from investor's standpoint. I don't see how you plan to make money? Are you just trading existing tokens on exchanges and trying to make money that way to pay investors? If so does any of you have any trading experience and how are you planning to mitigate your risks? Are you using any hedging tools? Why do you need 101 million dollars? If you look at the altcoin markets over time even the very short time they have been around there is much volatility and unless you are pumping certain projects and market making how do you plan to still give value to your investors? If you are market making are you charging for these services and will you be transparent about who you are doing this for? If that's the case then it seem like you will be doing a lot of pump and dumps, can you explain that you will not be doing this?
I appreciate your answers as I'm interested in how you are running this fund.
Please take a look at our Investment Methodology in the white paper ( http://taas.fund/media/whitepaper.pdf). It will answer all your questions, including our income streams, hedging instruments. We will not be involved in any pump-and-dump schemes. It will be very easy to validate because TaaS utilizes Cryptographic Audit, making the fund fully transparent. Let me know if you have any questions about white paper. still waiting for the GST number
I did not forget about it -- our legal partners are currently finalizing some documents and will get back to us with registration number mid-week. Will update you on it. Few questions to TaaS team:
1. ICO structure:
-- Why do you set a fixed price to your token at $1? Why not $0.50 or $10?
Wouldn't it make more sense to have a fixed number of tokens, and let the ICO participants set the initial price (number of tokens/total funds raised)?
-- Why you decided to have a bonus structure based on total amount of funds collected and not based on time? It looks "pumpy", like those power hour bonuses. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a weekly based bonus decrease?
2. This Cryptographic Audit sounds a lot buzz words and nothing much. Please explain how it is more based on the following:
-Proof of Reserves - everybody is using the same exchanges, nothing "cryptographic" here
-Auditable Exchange accounts - good idea, how does a view-only API key fits into this bombastic buzz phrase "Cryptographic Audit"?
-Proof of reserve - basically you will provide the public address of the crypto asset, so people can the balance and transactions? Is there more than that in this "Cryptographic Audit" feature?
3. If I understood correctly, the smart contract will hold the funds, is that correct? If so, it is a BIG BIG BIG NO GO. We had The DAO fiasco, and smart contract holding and managing funds is still couple of years ahead.
If you think you can put all the honey in one pot and be smarter than the entire community - well, good luck. I can't see how investors will keep their funds in a smart contract.
4. Do you have an escrow?
thanks
Thank you for questions, Daparski. 1. There is a misunderstanding that a price of a token is high. In fact, $1 price in the context of itself means absolutely nothing -- the price was chosen arbitrarily so that every investor, no matter how large or small, could participate. 2. Please read white paper for more information to your questions. I will note that Cryptographic Audit is not a technology in itself, but a name for multiple monitoring and auditing techniques that we created and assembled. The goal of TaaS is to provide maximum transparency for investors to set high security standards for blockchain industry. 3. Smart contract does not hold any funds -- it only disperses them whenever they are deposited to it. Funds are stored cold-storage. 4. We have something better: HLB International (hlbi.com), a world-wide network of independent accounting firm and business advisors, will be holding a thorough audit of ICO's use of proceeds. It is a much safer way to protect investors from fraud. thanks for your response. I believe most questions are still unanswered.. (highlighted them for your convenience). 1. In fact, $1 price in the context of itself means absolutely nothing I am not a financial wizard, but it kind of makes me wonder.. How come the price that one pays means nothing? Why not capping the number of tokens you will issue and let the ICO participants set their initial price?
The only asset you should set is the number of tokens (shares). The price of each share is not for you to decide, but for the ICO participants/market.Still waiting for an answer about the second part - " Why you decided to have a bonus structure based on total amount of funds collected and not based on time?" I will add a new ICO-related question, hope you don't mind: Why not setting a cap for the ICO? You should know how much maximum funds you need and cap it accordingly. I mean a real, realistic cap target and not that 101,000,000 USD. 2. I am sorry, but all I see is more buzz words - "The goal of TaaS is to provide maximum transparency for investors to set high security standards for blockchain industry" The view only APIs provide some level of transparency, but I am missing to see the high security standards.What is so special about "Proof of Reserves"? You anyway will need to use Poloniex, Kraken, and maybe another 1-2 major exchanges, like 99% of all traders do. What am I missing here? Another unanswered question: Proof of reserve - basically you will provide the public address of the crypto asset, so people can view the balance and transactions? Is there more than that in this "Cryptographic Audit" feature?3. Smart contract does not hold any funds -- it only disperses them whenever they are deposited to it. Funds are stored cold-storage. So the smart contract does not interact with the money in any way? If so, who has control over the cold storage? 4. Escrow refers to money held by third-party on behalf of transacting parties. I guess the question is Who will hold (have control, private keys and such) over the funds collected during the ICO?We decided to base the bonus structure on the amount of capital raised and not on time, because we are an investment fund and it makes more sense to dilute supply with bonuses based on our operating capital. Bonuses could be based on time but we believe it would be unfair towards investors, however we indeed considered it initially. You are right, a view-only API key is not the "high security" technology -- but we still decided to include it to offer those investors who do not have technical capabilities to validate other tools still have an opportunity to watch our trading activity. Yes, while most of the trading volume is happening on Poloniex and Kraken -- you are right -- no investment fund is using Proof of Reserves tool to validate account balances. This is the primary difference that separates us from the crowd. Chief executive team will be holding access to operating funds. Let me know if I missed anything, or you have further comments. Hi you missed most of the questions even though they were highlighted.. I will give it one last chance. 1. Why not capping the number of tokens you will issue and let the ICO participants set their initial price? The only asset you should set is the number of tokens (shares). The price of each share is not for you to decide, but for the ICO participants/market. 2. Why not setting a cap for the ICO? You should know how much maximum funds you need and cap it accordingly. I mean a real, realistic cap target and not that 101,000,000 USD. 3. This Cryptographic Audit sounds a lot buzz words and nothing much. Please explain how it is more? --Already agreed that the view only APIs provide some level of transparency, but I am missing to see the high security standards--Already agreed that "most of the trading volume is happening on Poloniex and Kraken". "no investment fund is using Proof of Reserves tool to validate account balances" - isn't it a transparency tool, similar to the view only APIs? I still don't see any Cryptographic Audit here.. 4. Escrow - can you please answer clearly to that very simple question? Will you have escrow (escrow, as ICO money will held by third-party), if yes who is the escrow team? What does it mean "Chief executive team will be holding access to operating funds"? Someone from the company? multisig? how many signatures are needed? |
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man, those kids with their amateur FUD
platform hacked, devs running away...
If you would use 10% of that cheap FUD efforts for something else, like USING YOUR BRAIN, you would hold and not cry like small girls when price pumps.
lunch money forever young
feel sorry for you
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Just like I said... this is just the beginning of the dump, the big dump is yet to come. Soon ICN will drop under ICO level when Devs launch their platform with NOTHING MORE THAN a ICNX/BTC TRADING PAIR & start pimping ICNX instead of ICN. Classic "BAIT & SWITCH" Glorified exchange, I think this is the reason why big exchanges decided against listing ICN tokens, it seems ICONOMI is going to be competing with this exchanges Exchanges like Poloniex & Bittrex cannot add ICN because it's classified as a Security (Shares in Iconomi company). Iconomi devs broke US & EU laws for soliciting investments from US citizens in returns for shares in their company. They may run into trouble with the SEC when they attend Florida conference on Feb 09. That lame argument has been chewed for too long.. 1. Polo have other shares tokens 2. How is Kraken (also US based) OK with ICN and polo not? So how close before the price jump you sold? Judging by your trolling, you may be the last sell order before that big market buy |
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My advise:
Don't wait for Disappointing minuscule Dividends payments; get out while BTC is still high, and look for another ICO to make another easy 4x or 5x gain because ICN is only heading down from here.
So... how about you follow your own "advise", sell your 3,000 ICN, and move on?  He did before the last price jump, hence the trolling |
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Is it possible to see where Ico investement are secured?
Have they used any of the Ico money? Any infos anyone about that?
Thank you
Check the first page for the addresses. So far they are using fiat only |
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Good news indeed, wonder if any of the users are able to speak about the platform or are all under NDA's. Everyone still expecting something big to come from the 9th?
Insiders already know that ONLY ICNX trading platform will launch in Q1 2017, while the Open Fund Management Platment is not launching until later in 2017. Iconomi Devs don't give a fuck about ICN, they're more interested in raising funds for ICNX fund because that gives them long term job security through fund management fees. Devs already said they will be talking about "ICOs in general" at Florida conference. Basically, they scammed people into raising $10m based on false and inflated hopes of large exchanges and high Dividends, and now they're speaking at conferences to teach other teams on "How to run a Successful ICO"Expect a HUGE DUMP when this launch finally happens in next few weeks, by then, insiders will be already out. (as usual) LOL... You still believe in NDA's?! ICN is a company share classified as a Security so other exchanges like Poloniex will NEVER list it. If Warren Buffet thinks ICN will dump, this is extremely bullish. http://www.cnbc.com/2014/03/14/buffett-blasts-bitcoin-as-mirage-stay-away.html14 March 2014, Warren Buffett labels Bitcoin a "joke" and tells investors to "stay away!" Bitcoin price at the end of March 2014 was $476 ICNX is an open-ended fund, which means investors can withdraw all their capital until there is $0 for management fees if they feel like it. How is that "long term job security"? Maybe they are waiting until both ICN and ICNX tokens are in circulation before they push for more exchange listings. Major exchanges usually do not list coins until the dev team gives them the green light. What happened to you Warren_Buffett, you used to be cool. He sold too early |
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Good news indeed, wonder if any of the users are able to speak about the platform or are all under NDA's. Everyone still expecting something big to come from the 9th?
My Troll Account's Name is Warren-Buffet and I am a FAGGOT!!!there....fixed that for you.....you're welcome.... I'm beginning to like people who dedicate their time to trolling coins they don't like. It prevents the threads becoming echo chambers where only positive messages are reinforced. If someone has a good critique I want to hear it. I am not hearing any good critiques yet, however. There is a big difference between, trolling/fudding and giving constructive feedback. He just sold too early.. Constructive feedback is for people that are using their brain regularly. That edit though... |
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Buy wall pulled. Dump incoming.
did you actually think it was REAL?? common.. Actually if you look closer seems the owner of the wall took the coins out to buy directly from the sell orders. the volume increased like 300% compared to yesterday you don't put that buy wall for couple of weeks if you want to buy.. |
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Buy wall pulled. Dump incoming.
did you actually think it was REAL?? common.. |
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Few questions to TaaS team:
1. ICO structure:
-- Why do you set a fixed price to your token at $1? Why not $0.50 or $10?
Wouldn't it make more sense to have a fixed number of tokens, and let the ICO participants set the initial price (number of tokens/total funds raised)?
-- Why you decided to have a bonus structure based on total amount of funds collected and not based on time? It looks "pumpy", like those power hour bonuses. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a weekly based bonus decrease?
2. This Cryptographic Audit sounds a lot buzz words and nothing much. Please explain how it is more based on the following:
-Proof of Reserves - everybody is using the same exchanges, nothing "cryptographic" here
-Auditable Exchange accounts - good idea, how does a view-only API key fits into this bombastic buzz phrase "Cryptographic Audit"?
-Proof of reserve - basically you will provide the public address of the crypto asset, so people can the balance and transactions? Is there more than that in this "Cryptographic Audit" feature?
3. If I understood correctly, the smart contract will hold the funds, is that correct? If so, it is a BIG BIG BIG NO GO. We had The DAO fiasco, and smart contract holding and managing funds is still couple of years ahead.
If you think you can put all the honey in one pot and be smarter than the entire community - well, good luck. I can't see how investors will keep their funds in a smart contract.
4. Do you have an escrow?
thanks
Thank you for questions, Daparski. 1. There is a misunderstanding that a price of a token is high. In fact, $1 price in the context of itself means absolutely nothing -- the price was chosen arbitrarily so that every investor, no matter how large or small, could participate. 2. Please read white paper for more information to your questions. I will note that Cryptographic Audit is not a technology in itself, but a name for multiple monitoring and auditing techniques that we created and assembled. The goal of TaaS is to provide maximum transparency for investors to set high security standards for blockchain industry. 3. Smart contract does not hold any funds -- it only disperses them whenever they are deposited to it. Funds are stored cold-storage. 4. We have something better: HLB International (hlbi.com), a world-wide network of independent accounting firm and business advisors, will be holding a thorough audit of ICO's use of proceeds. It is a much safer way to protect investors from fraud. thanks for your response. I believe most questions are still unanswered.. (highlighted them for your convenience). 1. In fact, $1 price in the context of itself means absolutely nothing I am not a financial wizard, but it kind of makes me wonder.. How come the price that one pays means nothing? Why not capping the number of tokens you will issue and let the ICO participants set their initial price?
The only asset you should set is the number of tokens (shares). The price of each share is not for you to decide, but for the ICO participants/market.Still waiting for an answer about the second part - " Why you decided to have a bonus structure based on total amount of funds collected and not based on time?" I will add a new ICO-related question, hope you don't mind: Why not setting a cap for the ICO? You should know how much maximum funds you need and cap it accordingly. I mean a real, realistic cap target and not that 101,000,000 USD. 2. I am sorry, but all I see is more buzz words - "The goal of TaaS is to provide maximum transparency for investors to set high security standards for blockchain industry" The view only APIs provide some level of transparency, but I am missing to see the high security standards.What is so special about "Proof of Reserves"? You anyway will need to use Poloniex, Kraken, and maybe another 1-2 major exchanges, like 99% of all traders do. What am I missing here? Another unanswered question: Proof of reserve - basically you will provide the public address of the crypto asset, so people can view the balance and transactions? Is there more than that in this "Cryptographic Audit" feature?3. Smart contract does not hold any funds -- it only disperses them whenever they are deposited to it. Funds are stored cold-storage. So the smart contract does not interact with the money in any way? If so, who has control over the cold storage? 4. Escrow refers to money held by third-party on behalf of transacting parties. I guess the question is Who will hold (have control, private keys and such) over the funds collected during the ICO? |
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