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4001  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2021 NBA Season on: January 09, 2021, 06:52:23 PM
Jazz beat Giannis and company and make a new franchise record of 25 3s... you like that?

Jazz Set Team Record 25 3s vs Bucks! 2020-21 NBA Season

O'Neale 6-8
Bogdanovic 4-10
Mitchell 4-9
Conley 5-10
Clarkson 5-12

Look at these numbers, it doesn't matter how good their opponent are if they can make these numbers.

That's another thing, if they can continuously produced this kinds of stats then they are more deadlier outside,
those names are known scorer and aside from the outside range they are also good moving the ball.


If they can make their numbers from time to time  chances of winning is really high, even they've going against super teams this consistently if being played well.

Though it's not everyday but if they can deal with it in most of their upcoming games,
this team will be more competitive.
Jazz was never a bad three point shooting team neither. They have Ingles on their team, which is a prolific shooter and he was missing this game, and I do not mean he was missing his shots Cheesy. I mean he was literally out for Bucks game. So, to think that they were missing their best player and yet still broke team three point record shows you how well they are as a team.

The problem they have is usually defensive, sure they have Gobert who is a great inside defender, however not everyone goes inside, for example if Jazz shot 25 threes, how would Gobert defend this jazz? At the end of the day league is a lot more perimeter oriented and Jazz is not awesome at that level, they need to get better defensively or they are going to be remembered as a "good offensive team" back in the day when you look back and not really a contender at all.
4002  Economy / Speculation / Re: What if Bitcoin drops to $15,000? on: January 09, 2021, 03:57:52 PM
Most people who think it "won't ever touch $15k again" haven't been around since the early days.  Every bull run so far has been followed by a bear market decline of a minimum of 80%

Don't be over-confident.  What goes up must come down.

Sure, but from where?

Bitcoin just crossed the 2017 ATH, and is only 2x above it. For it to crash into a bear market now would be totally unprecedented. We could go an order of magnitude higher first.

So yeah, an 80% drop from $300K? Definitely possible! But that gets you $60K, not $15K. Wink

Another data point working against you: no Bitcoin bear market has ever broken below the prior cycle's ATH. For that reason, sub-$20K is probably off the table.
Also even if there is a 15k level, that means we would be higher than what it was in early September, so it would be a fall not that far from now. Back when price reached 20k and dropped to 3k, it dropped to a level that was hard to recover from, it took us years to get back here, and we just doubled that in no time. It means if it ever went to 15k, we would still have a better base to get back higher as well, it would be simpler.

And we are not done going up like you said, which means we could potentially be at super high levels and still go down to higher than previous levels. I disagree that it will be 300k, but if it is 100k, that means even with a 80% drop which I doubt will happen, it is going to be 20k. That is why this drop doesn't really scare me, I am fine with it and I think whenever that crash comes, it is going to be not too harsh.
4003  Economy / Speculation / Re: What if Bitcoin goes off this Institutionalized expected Bull-Run? on: January 09, 2021, 01:27:27 PM
Will it be a democratic full sweep? If so will democratic Biden Government go against bitcoin with more regulations? Is Biden cool with bitcoin like Trump was?

ummmm not sure why you think Trump was cool with Bitcoin. Only time Trump ever mentioned Bitcoin he tweeted about it once and said he didn't like it. You've also got Mnuchin trying to ram through regulations against crypto in the finals days before Trump is kicked out. Trump is a nocoiner, an idiot, a criminal, and a terrorist. He didn't do a damn thing to help Bitcoin other than try his hardest to destroy our way of life, which tends to help Bitcoin as an escape from "the system". I doubt anything Biden does will be directed explicitly towards Bitcoin. So far other than Trump saying he doesn't like Bitcoin, a US president (Obama/Trump) has yet to say or do anything directly for or against Bitcoin.
Biden has people who like crypto in his cabinet let alone anywhere else, I am not even talking about other places, just his cabinet has crypto people. Also we have to be a bit more open with discussion, you can be conservative all you want, and like trump if you want to, but you can't ignore the truth, democrats elect a lot more young people than republicans and democrats have a lot more crypto loving people in congress than republicans. This is not a political thing, it doesn't matter who you voted for, it is about facts and numbers.

So in a world where we have democratic congress, democratic senate, democratic vp, president and his cabinet, we are going to have a lot better crypto situation. Trump was not even aware of what bitcoin was, he knew it existed but he knew absolutely nothing about it at all so it wasn't really cool for us.
4004  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Remember when ETH was $1400 a few years ago then crashed to $70 as BTC crashed? on: January 09, 2021, 09:01:49 AM
The market is full of ups and downs but it is only natural as it is how the market works. Right now, you cannot prove that Eth is a shit coin with no intrinsic value because the investors are putting a value of it right now. Eth is playing at $1k plus already and it is ready to break it's ATH anytime soon but if you worried that the market will crash again once we can hit a new ATH then you should not worry about it because every happenings has a right time.

Meaning if you can buy at a right time and you can sell at a right time also then you will definitely profit for sure either you are going to buy Eth or other crypto currencies that you think has an intrinsic value.
The good part about buying right now, it would mean you could profit from it when it breaks over ATH and I think it will not stop here after coming this close to ATH price. When bitcoin was around 19k but failed to go above 20k, we waited nearly a month for it to go there, so we should give ETH a bit more time for it to go there. Plus we do have that phase 2 of 2.0 where staking will become a reality and it is about 1 to 2 years away, and I believe it is going to be taking the price a ton higher thanks to that.

However do you know even the best part? If the price ever drops in the next 2 years, you could always buy more from lower level, do a DCA, and you can profit again a lot when it becomes staking because there is no way it would drop after 2.0 became a thing, it will become something profitable for a very long time for everyone.
4005  Economy / Gambling / Re: Stake.com - Casino & Sportsbook - $500k Holiday Giveaway! 🚀 🎰 🏀 ⚾ 🏈 🎾 🥊 🎲 on: January 09, 2021, 05:55:08 AM
I know that in a lot of cup matches surprises happen, but if you pick the right team, you win some very easy crypto. If they refund your money because the team loses/draws; it is not only interesting for your vip ranking but it will also help for your monthly reload bonus  Smiley. I need to check how many games are eligble, but I will probably pick a team from Premier League that plays vs a lower ranked team.
The terms for the FA Cup promo just got updated now you'll only get half of your bet back if you lose. I was about to place some early bets on a few favorites good thing I didn't though.
It is obvious that FA cup deal wasn't going to last too long, plus it is not really the ideal spot to gamble neither, it is very risky. On regular league games, even the best team could lose to worst team because it is just some points, sure sometimes those 3 points become very important but in reality if you lost 3 points this early in the season you can end up with getting it back somewhere else and recovering.

However when you are in a cup structure, you have to win or you are out, so it is a very risky situation and all those favorites try their hardest not to lose, everyone would love to win the cup and everyone plays with whatever they got, YET some teams just give up, between league and cup and Europe and so forth it becomes harder to play and you do not know which team will be sending out youth players and not really work hard to win the games.
4006  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀 Sportsbet.io - Official betting partner of ARSENAL FC 🚀 on: January 08, 2021, 07:17:06 PM

https://twitter.com/Sportsbetio/status/1347197393603686400

Tottenham and Manchester City managed to get to EFL cup final and we can bet early on Sportsbet website.
Mourinho said this is will probably be one of the most important matches this season and chance for him to win one more trophy.
Odds are very interesting but match should be played in the end of April so there is still time.
Do you really believe that odds would stay that way? I mean let me put it this way, the picture on their twitter shows Guardiola as 1.39 but it is already paying less, 1.36 for the win, and interestingly paying less for Spurs to, at 2.7 they are not paying 2.76 anymore. So I assume it will change, unfortunately both parties are down now, I assume "draw" is not an option Cheesy.

So no idea why both of them are down but it is down, so I just think the odds will keep on changing all the time until the game, maybe not a few days before unless major things happen but it is nearly 4 months away. If I were to wager on anyone, I would wager on City to win, they look not that great this year, at least compared to previous 3-4 years, and with this cup, maybe they can ease their fans anger a bit, not too much I know but it could definitely be a start to remedy the situation.
4007  Economy / Economics / Re: Market Cap Crypto VS Biggest Companies on: January 08, 2021, 06:22:13 PM
The total MC is really around that amount on the infographic, but it should be noted that 2/3 of that amount is what it refers to Bitcoin, and that another $150 billion belongs to the first two followers on the list.
True, but it's still a pretty impressive figure if you ask me--although comparing crypto and stocks leaves me with a weird feeling.  It's kind of like comparing Apple's market cap to the total number of outstanding USD, i.e., they're fundamentally two different things.

A corporation's market cap is essentially how much it would take to buy it out (or to buy a controlling interest, which doesn't take 100% of the MC).  It's also not necessarily a great indicator of how much the business is actually worth, since bull and bear markets can cause the market cap to over- or under-value a given company. 

On the other hand, the value of bitcoin is exactly what the market says its worth.  There's no underlying company, no dividends, no profit changes from quarter-to-quarter, none of those metrics that you get with stocks.  So while I'm impressed that bitcoin (and the other top altcoins) are being valued so highly, this is one of those apples to oranges comparisons IMO.
What this basically achieves could be to say how much money people willing to bet on both of these things and how mainstream we are. Crypto people love to talk about how we are not mainstream, and how fiat is mainstream and how we are just small underdogs fighting to become more used and so forth.

However if you look at the crypto market cap, we have broken over 1 trillion dollars in marketcap, nothing that has 1 trillion dollar marketcap could be underdogs, we are mainstream now and we are already known by almost everyone in the world.

I am not saying everyone "uses" it, but I can say even people who have never owned a single satoshi knows what bitcoin is and that is why this chart is important, it is there to show you that apple is one of the most known brands in the entire world, same for microsoft, and bitcoin is not really that far behind them neither.
4008  Economy / Economics / Re: Very serious Question the New money system on: January 08, 2021, 11:50:16 AM
why are you always concerned of airdrops , if im not mistaken your last post do also mention if you can get airdrops but they arent a typical airdrop  ,

anyway old monetary system is not done yet because we still use them but it is up to you if you wont because we have so many alternatives now and some can be better than them but dont worry because government will announce it formally if you cant use the old system anymore but if ever they will i think that wont be a crypto
I think one could argue that airdrops could be like bribes, and that is the dangerous part of it. Not that every airdrop is like that, but sometimes "working and earning money" is not like "promoting scam" so there are differences. When you get airdrop for free, that is good, you should be getting it, like for example when you held bitcoin and got bitcoin cash, that is fine because you just had bitcoin and that is it, nothing major happened.

Same goes for all the same ideas, if you however liked a tweet, retweeted, followed on facebook and all those type of things to get airdrop, that is where things start to change a bit. Why it changes? Well, if it is a legit project than you have nothing to worry about, but if it is a scam, there are people who spend their own hard earned money on it, and you are promoting a scam in that situation, even without knowing. Hence why airdrops could be seen dangerous time to time.
4009  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: January 07, 2021, 05:54:28 PM
Lille got a shocking 2-1 loss against Angers home last night. I wasn't surprised by the match being tough but I wasn't expecting Lille would lose here. Angers made a storming start to the match and scored 2 goals in the first 10 ten minutes. Lille managed to respond with B. Yimaz's goal in the 42nd minute. In the second half, Lille tried to turn the game around but Angers succeeded in securing the 2-1 win.
It was an unpredictable match and I would have better avoided betting on the league if I didn't want to take risks and besides, PSG and their new coach did not get 3 points even though the opponent against him was Etienne. It should have been a good starting moment but yes, history is not a benchmark and what's more there will always be changes in whatever is in the team.
Honestly it was shocking not because it was unexpected by default, it was unexpected to get this result. Lille has the same points as PSG and they lost against Angers last night, with one draw they would be ahead of PSG right now. This shows that Lille is a lot better this year, with the addition of some players they became very well this year. So, everyone expected them to beat the lower level teams and only have hard time with the high level teams.

However this is football, if you ever gambled, you would know that any team could lose to any team, I once remember (waaaay years ago) Barcelona being the best team I have ever seen, and they won against Real Madrid something like 5-0 or something, and then lost to like Sociedad or something 3-0 a bit later, I don't remember the team honestly but they were so good and beat Madrid so well yet ended up losing to a relegation level team. Hence anything could happen and we shouldn't be too shocked.
4010  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to trade after all time high on: January 07, 2021, 11:30:06 AM
The best bet is scalping as you rightly said, he should use a timeframe of 1or 4  hour and trade off any pull back with the aid of an indicator which can indicate oversold and overbought zones with diligence and precision the OP can by low and sell which can be done repeatedly to earn some decent profits however it is advisable to buy low always due to extremely bullish run of the market.
Scalping requires a bit of knowledge, that should be something taken into consideration. Do not start to trade right away with scalping method if you have no idea how it works, you will end up with losing a lot of money, but if you end up studying a lot to learn scalping, this period may pass as well so you need to study hard and study a lot, in order to both reach to this period and also know how scalping is done.

Honestly as someone who has been around for years now, I haven't really had any luck with scalping because it requires to be quick and very fast, if you are not quick and very fast, you will end up with losing money or at least missing chances and I kept having those. However the logic is not bad, if you want to trade on an all time high price, you have to end up trading a lot on scalping that makes the most sense between others.
4011  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What could be bitcoin next step lets discuss together on: January 07, 2021, 10:33:29 AM
Correction will happen, but of course it wont go down deeper same as before, I expect $20k to be the stronger support so be ready for that moment and make sure to have your buying power. Bitcoin may hit another peak at $35k but it wont last longer on that level, correction is about to begin slowly and deeply.
This price correction is what everyone's waiting for because this is the time to purchase bitcoin at its low price. New investors would really love to accumulate more bitcoins so they can make huge profits from it once its price grows up again reaching another heights.
People do not even wait for correction anymore, they jump in anytime it looks like it is going down, it doesn't even go down that much and stay there anymore. Biggest example is that 27k fall we had, from 34k to 27k we went down hard, and that was a very difficult fall as well and required tens of thousands of bitcoin to be sold all at the same time, something that would have hurt the market a ton just a year ago, you know what happened?

We skyrocketed back to 31k very very quickly, without any hesitation at all, it took like maybe half an hour at most, and it broke over 35k later on as well. So as you can see, from now on people are buying every single drop, doesn't matter how big or small, as soon as price goes a bit down, it will always recover back. I don't know how long this will continue, but I am happy about it right now and I hope it will go on for a long time.
4012  Economy / Economics / Re: How will financial crisis affect crypto? on: January 07, 2021, 09:36:03 AM
The coronavirus epidemic is causing an economic crisis around the world, and every country will soon experience economic stagnation. This situation makes cryptocurrency users very worried about the future of cryptocurrency, but we are currently seeing the opposite. The economic downturn caused by the epidemic has already had a positive effect on cryptocurrency. Extensive analysis has shown that due to the economic crisis, small investors have withdrawn some of their money from cryptocurrencies, but large investors in other sectors have not been able to invest in their fields and invest their money in the cryptocurrency and that makes cryptocurrency price pump. So it can be said that big investors in other sectors are becoming interested in cryptocurrency or will be due to this economic crisis which will bring positive results for cryptocurrency.
That's what I was shocked about as well. What do we have in the world right now? A big pandemic that closed down too many companies, that made a lot of people jobless, that made people not even pay their rent in the richest nations of the world, it made people of poor nations go out to work even in pandemic because they couldn't even afford to stay at home. So, all around the whole worlds economy is in big trouble and nobody has money. What happened in bitcoin? It has increased almost 5 times, it was 7k and became 35k, how?? I mean normally what does bitcoin need to go up?

It needs a lot of people buying bitcoin, well if the world is in such a bad situation and everyone is a lot poorer this year, who did really bought bitcoin to make it go up? If we are poor, where did that tens of billions of dollars came from to make it go high? I have noooo idea.
4013  Economy / Economics / Re: Tether's market cap is huge! (usdt) on: January 05, 2021, 04:01:08 PM

Stablecoins are not even profitable so they are worse than the centralized coins. 1 USDT will always worth 1 USD so there is no way of making any profit at all by buying usdt, whereas let's say XRP is centralized that much we already know and has been proven in the last week, we could profit from it, buy xrp and if price goes up you earned some profit from it. Basically it is not the same thing but at least it is a bit closer to what the reality is.


Tether was created by Bitfinex which had to provide a trading pair to US dollar which was not possible back on that days. Even now to trade crypto to fiat you have to pass KYC and not all countries are eligable to trade like this. Instead, we have stablecoins that allow us to trade without any extra difficulties. On binance you don't even have to verify your account.
On that case traders got a stable trading paid while exchange is getting a huge trading volume that increase their profit.
Doesn't really matter in the end does it? I mean let's assume that you can't trade with fiat without KYC but you can with USDT, so you would prefer USDT a lot better because you do not have to KYC, and you did all your trading without giving a single ounce of information. What are you going to do when it comes to cashing out to fiat? You will still give out your KYC in order to be able to get that money on your bank account.

So, even if its just for one move (which is withdrawing) you still ended up giving your information, so if you are forced to give it during the last stage, why not use that for the all other trading as well? At the same time, if you really do not want to use your KYC or anything but not have to trust someone (in this situation bitfinex and tether), just go with things like DAI which is decentralized.
4014  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: We can reduce our chances of loss on: January 05, 2021, 03:16:09 PM
Rather than investing in a shit coin to have 2x 3x profit within a day,If we invest in the top alts when it is in the Deep, then it can give a good profit.
Specially in a case of newbies, they always run behind 2x or 10x profit and in maximum cases they loose their money , but my friend's 10-20% profit is also very good.
 And please don't enter in market when everything is pumped,if you miss this opportunity then wait for the other one.
What you have to know is that most of the newbies that are joining the community and becoming investors are looking for quick money, they are all coming to become millionaires, so they look some coins they feel will fetch them that big enough profit to become very rich, and that’s totally wrong.

I’m saying this because I have seen people around me how they react about cryptocurrency, when you talk about it they are just talking about making quick money and the stories they have heard about cryptocurrencies price increasing and people becoming millionaires, and they think about this and forget about the risks that are involved, which is very bad.
4015  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think that planned pump and dump is ethically acceptable? on: January 04, 2021, 05:52:58 PM
Pump and dumps have been a part of cryptocurrency trading scene since the first exchanges went live, owing a lot to thin order books, and unregulated exchanges.

That is, an individual or a group of individuals could cause an increase in price (typically with volume) to generate hysteria to then subsequently sell off for a huge profit at the expense of those late to the game.

The markets have long been manipulated, however nowadays there are groups dedicated to generated huge trading volumes along with heavy social media promotion to generate hysteria.

What's your take on pump and dumps? Does it make you feel uncomfortable knowing that traders outside of the circle will likely make a short-term loss, while those within the circle will mostly make significant gains?
If it’s in the stock market pump and dump is illegal, but since cryptocurrency market is regulated I wouldn’t say that it is illegal, buts it is a wrong thing to do (that’s what I think, and I know that there are people like who wouldn’t like pump and dump groups). I have heard and seen lots of pump and dump groups but I never took part in it.

Why this thing annoys me is because there groups are fond of targeting microcap cryptocurrencies that are still struggling to find their way up and they will pump it and dump which will discourage a lot of investors. It’s wrong for me.
4016  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Fast ways to lose money trading on: January 04, 2021, 04:49:18 PM
There is a lot of reasons why the traders lose money when they trade coins , but not all the time is because is your fault because sometimes losing money is normal due to unexpected situations. But mostly the traders who lose more money is the beginners who lost a lot of money that they trades it because they are not know some of the ways that they need to avoid to prevent losing money.
I believe that there is a serious veteran experience of losing as well. Sometimes veterans just make it known that they are not going to continue with a trade and cut their ties and take the loss because that is the easier way to take, there is really no reason to go down a path where there is more loss incoming. So, let's say you have 1000 dollars in a trade, you have lost 300 dollars already, and it looks like you may not be able to recover it at all, it is going down for some reason, maybe a permanent reason, and it will never recover, so instead of losing even more, why not just get out?

So, there are clever ways to take a loss and move on. Also not every trader makes a profit, not forever, even if you are a superb trader you are going to end up with losing on some trades, it is just the way it is and there is no way around it.
4017  Economy / Economics / Re: Buying a Tesla with Bitcoin on: January 04, 2021, 03:44:20 PM
damn tesla is getting cheaper and cheaper as bitcoin price sky rockets . most of the btc hodlers can soon own them self one ( a tesla car )

How many Bitcoiners own more than 1 BTC? Rpietila once calculated that around 350,000 do so. The link can be found below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.0

The calculation is around 6 years old and I strongly suspect that the numbers might have fallen further over the years. Even if we take the same figure, it means that only 0.005% of the world's population own more than 1 BTC.
It is not about how many bitcoins do you have, it is more about how bitcoin became more and more expensive the longer we go, and that is why we are talking about tesla vs bitcoin pricing, tesla is not a bad car, you could have always bought some old used Hyundai car loooong ago, you can find cars under 5 thousand dollars if they are used enough.

However we are talking about one of the most advanced, electric, everyone loves, high tech, and brand new out of the factory car here, and having 1 bitcoin worth that much is important. This is not about lets all buy a tesla for one bitcoin, if we all sold our bitcoin and bought it, the bitcoin price would crash, it is more about comparison. Next stop is having the same market cap as gold, I want that to happen, obviously gold doesn't fall that easily, at least not that much, so in the long run we will have a hard time but I am sure we will reach it.
4018  Economy / Economics / Re: Tether's market cap is huge! (usdt) on: January 04, 2021, 10:09:23 AM
Tether is indeed very popular as a stable coin in the cryptocurrency world,
and is almost always used by all exchanges, but remember, stable coins are the same as centralized coins,
meaning that because the supply of these coins is backed by fiat, of course there has been a lot of controversy for USDT,
moreover. they are in the United States and soon the SEC is also eyeing the USDT.
Stablecoins are not even profitable so they are worse than the centralized coins. 1 USDT will always worth 1 USD so there is no way of making any profit at all by buying usdt, whereas let's say XRP is centralized that much we already know and has been proven in the last week, we could profit from it, buy xrp and if price goes up you earned some profit from it. Basically it is not the same thing but at least it is a bit closer to what the reality is.

Hence I believe it is quite useless to use stablecoins because they are both centralized and very dangerous and risky, while also not profitable neither, which makes them as useless as it gets. So long story short, use things like DAI if you want stablecoin, do not use ones that are centralized, I have heard talks about decentralized ones that will be also profitable to hold as well for interest rates, those will be the real earners.
4019  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔶 YOLOdice.com 🔶 play&invest BTC ETH LTC DOGE on: January 03, 2021, 06:39:47 PM
You can't just not refill the hot wallet while the price is rising over 100%.
Don't want to make you feeling more desparate, but DOGE price has been fallen to @29 sats, while it was reached more than @40sats (on binance it even reached @43 sats). This doge pump really crazy, it pumped on same time with bitcoin too
I think it is obvious that coins may fall against bitcoin but it depends on the increase of bitcoin that makes them go higher as well. Some coins dropped against bitcoin, but since bitcoin increased so much that they have gained against dollar anyway. For example, even without this huge increase on doge, it was around 0.005 per doge right? Now it is double that but let's forget that for a second. Last year it was around 0.0022 for example, and we have seen it go double that easily even without the huge increase we have now, and quadruple of that amount with the new increase.

It has done this even while going down against bitcoin as well. This is just example of doge by the way, normally we can put this to test with any coin you want, they have all gone down a bit against bitcoin, or maybe increased tiny bit at best, while going super high against dollar.
4020  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Binance.US is going to suspend XRP trading and deposit on: January 03, 2021, 06:01:41 PM
The reason for the suspension of the Ripple from the Binance.US may be the Ripple is banned by the US Govt. because of the heavy dependencies of the private financial company and more money laundering activities. But, most of the countries' Govt. already applied the Ripple transactions in many banking and financial system for fast transactions. So, this news of the Ripple suspension from trading and deposit do not impact more globally.
Globally doesn't really matter because XRP is a company headed in USA and does most of its work in USA as well, plus the company and the coin doesn't really have a direct connection, when Ripple deals with a bank and moves its money around, do you get a cut from the profit as a coin holder? Like a shareholder?

You do not, which means while Ripple was making tens of millions of dollars in profit and buying other companies as well, you were getting the short end of the stick as a XRP holder, they only used XRP whenever they wanted to print more and sell more of it. This is exactly the reason why it shouldn't matter, Ripple company had some good things they didn't share with XRP people, so when Ripple had bad days, XRP shouldn't share that with them neither. However this is USA related so binance."us" will obviously delist it, it just makes sense.
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