You really need to read my posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829924.msg9300915#msg9300915

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829924.msg9301428#msg9301428

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829924.msg9301592#msg9301592

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829924.msg9301647#msg9301647

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829924.msg9301731#msg9301731

The thing that is important about this is that, the thing that started this whole universe to operate in the cause and effect way that it operates, is the same thing that might be wanting us to look for the source of the cause and effect. Why? Because we have the urge and desire to find out about everything. It is built right into us.

One of the greatest urges we have is the desire to find out about the beginning. That's the reason science spends millions of dollars to determine what their Big Bang was like. The Big Bang God (or whatever God) that started this whole thing, placed into our hearts and minds, from the beginning of it all, right down to the present through cause and effect, the desire to find out about him/her/it.

The fact that we seldom hear about pure random from a scientific standpoint, leads me to suspect that there is some kind of conspiracy among the scientific community, or the political community that influences them. After all, you can go to school and learn about all kinds of things of science. You can learn about probability and random. The idea of pure random probably comes up in class. But why isn't it a major topic?

Personally, I think it has been forced into the background because it would upset a lot of things in science. People just don't want to hear that they are NOT in control of their lives... that maybe their whole lives are already set in stone, like words on the pages of a book. Who wants to hear that? But that is what science suggests, behind the scenes.

I, personally, am not saying that. Rather, science is.

Since all science involves cause and effect, action and reaction, it is the scientists who are saying it. If science had a method for complete emotion, thought, consciousness, conscience, soul, spirit, etc., analysis, then we might find that there is random, somehow.

Up to this point, most science suggests or says that the things that we interpret as the list that I mentioned above, are only biochemical reactions in our brain and nervous systems, etc.  If that is indeed all it is, then everything is cause and effect. There is no random. We feel like we made the choice. But we were really forced into it by all kinds of stimuli.

Except if they are not fictional. 

Why do you pick up or not pick up the ball?

Let's say that in this case, there is some great need to do it while, at the same time, there is another great need to not do it. The needs are causes.

In the brain, which neurons fire and which don't? Which fire with more strength? What is the chemical memory reason that is behind the stronger firings? What contribution did the food that you ate play, because you happened to eat fish today, which strengthened brain activity? What about the way a mild allergy "tickles" your nose, weakly, in a subconscious way?

In other words, the stimuli are the cause that lead you into making a decision that you feel is your random choice, even though you don't know anything about which stimuli are acting in what way on you.

If you were plugged into some gigantic supercomputer that was programmed to read all the stimuli, would it not be able to predict your decision?

All of the stimuli were caused by other stimuli that caused them. And those by others, and those by others. This goes all the way back to the beginning, whatever/whenever that is/was. There is no random. There might have been in whatever started the whole universe running in the first place (Big Bang? God?).

Remember, U.S. income taxes are voluntary. So, when does a person volunteer? When he fills out a W-4? When he fills out a 1040? When he responds to an IRS letter incorrectly? All of the above and many more?

Call the universe "Colin" if you want. That's not what I am talking about.

The idea of God has to do with something greater than man. If cause and effect had only produced plants and animal, but no creature that could truly feel emotion, or truly reason, then there might be a slight point to atheism. And, of course, then it wouldn't matter at all. 'Cause nobody would be around to consider it.

But since the idea of God is talking about something that is greater than the reasoning of man, greater than the emotions of man, greater than the scientific thinking of man, because it produced all these things, and even produced man, through cause and effect in an extremely difficult and complex process, it fits the definition of God.

But, you are welcome to continue to call yourself ignorant if you so desire.

Here is another explanation of one of the great 3 evidences for God. This explanation is about the idea of cause and effect, action and reaction. Said another way, there is no pure random.

Be patient, and read the whole thing, even if you don't like to look at an argument that offers strong evidence for God. Here goes.

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When we talk about probability (randomness), we show that we are speaking from a position of not knowing. For example. When one flips a coin, what are the odds it will land heads, and what are the odds it will land tails? Over time, with many tosses of the coin, we find that the answer is very close to 50% both ways.

Why don't we know ahead of time what the result will be each time? Because we are unable to measure all the forces acting on the coin sufficiently well to make an absolute prediction. Now, I understand that there are some few people who have practiced so much that they can tell the outcome almost every time. But the point that I am making is, there is no easy way to measure all the forces acting on the coin so that we can predict accurately.

This is what OUR random is. It really isn't random. What it is, is our weakness in knowing, our inability to observe. In the case of the flipped coin, it is our weakness in knowing all the forces acting on the coin.

Essentially, there is NO pure random.

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Next...

Consider the common (American) game of "Pool" (the billiards sport). Once in awhile a player is able to hit the cue ball, which hits a second ball, which hits a third ball, which taps a fourth ball into a pocket. Predicting 4 balls in this fashion isn't easy. What about 5, or 6, or 7 balls in a sequence shot like this?

The point? Whatever makes cause and effect work in nature, has produced untold numbers of sequence shots in subatomic particles, with untold numbers of length of sequences, including cross shots (where more than one ball act on another), which have produced all kinds of highly complex materials and operations of nature, possibly the greatest of these being life itself.

The point? Since we don't have the ability to track more than a tiny, tiny percent of these forces, if we want to understand what's going on, we need to use probability. So, what are the odds that things would work out as well as they have, universally, through cause and effect of these HUGE numbers of sequences and cross sequences?

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Everything in nature acts according to the action and reaction principle... cause and effect. Science has no evidence of anything that happens by accident, randomly; everything that we call random activity exists ONLY because we are so extremely limited in our methods of observation, that we can't track the billions upon billions of action-reaction operations in the universe around us.

Is there mathematics that shows the existence of pure random activity? If there is, it lies in realms of quantum mechanics where other math shows that pure random does NOT exist.

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Whatever started all the cause and effect, action and reaction, that produced all the fantastically marvelous things found in nature, and life itself, IS A FANTASTICALLY GREAT GOD, whatever this God might be.

If God is the Big Bang, or if God is simply nature itself, or if God is one of the gods of one of the various religions, whatever God is, GOD IS EXCEEDINGLY GREAT, beyond understanding.

And here is a very interesting point. The god behind modern science is extremely greater than the Christian God. It all has to do with action and reaction, cause and effect. Here's what I mean.

Modern science suggests that the universe is 13 to 14 billion years old. The Bible suggests that the earth is 6,000 to an absolute maximum of 25,000 years old. What of it? Here's what.

A good pool player might be able to hit the cue ball with such precision that it hits a second ball that hits a third ball that taps a fourth ball into a corner pocket.

The God of the Christians hit some "cue balls" way back 6,000 to 25,000 years ago that knocked this whole fantastic universe into place today. Look around yourself at nature, at life, at human emotion, and imagine how great Someone has to be to hit the "cue balls" of the Beginning so that we wind up with all the marvels that we have today.

And if the God of the Christians is great, THE GOD OF MODERN SCIENCE IS FAR GREATER! Why? Because there are COUNTLESS more action-reaction/cause-effect happenings over 13 to 14 billion years than over 6,000 to 25,000 years. And the Big Bang(?) God shot was SOOOOO exceedingly good that it STILL produced what we have today, all the marvels of nature, and the universe, and life, and emotion in people, and human thought, and even scientific investigation by man, even though it had countless MORE numbers of action-reaction, cause-effect activities that the gods of any of the religions.

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All you scientific atheists, you are simply denying a Great God, One you are making way stronger than any god of any religion, simply by proving all your scientific theories and hypotheses.

Now, you may not like me. You might even hate me for showing you this. And you certainly have the ability to talk all around what I say. But one thing stands HERE as FACT, even if I have stated it poorly. As things stand in science right now, THERE IS GREAT STRENGTH IN THIS ARGUMENT that I have just shown you.

God exists, whomever/whatever he/she/it might be!

Actually, science has shown that physics does change with time. Maybe you should read some of those scientific papers you talk about... not that you would admit to anything you didn't like.

Of course, maybe you were, and the "you" we are talking to is a double, sent in to glean whatever other info he can get in these forums.

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The other parallel universes join through the dimensions, which are essentially "phase" vibrations of different orders. Places where they touch in a more basic sense with relation to our universe, are the places where they create the subatomic particles that are the basis for our electrons, protons and neutrons.

In the sense that Jesus is forever unchanging, and that those who believe in Him are in Him, and that He is in the Father - the essence of "Godness" - you might say that we had a hand in creating the beginning. Yet, in a practical sense, it was the Father Who created through Jesus, even though we might have been allowed to modify a little.

There is some slight evidence in the Bible that between the beginning, and the first day, that somewhere in there, the battle between the archangel Michael and the devil mentioned in the Revelation took place.

Part of the reasoning for this is found in descriptions of the power of the devil in Ezekiel 28. Part is in the word was - "and the earth was formless and void." "Was" can be translated "became." Another thought about this is that God doesn't do anything uselessly. So why would He create something that was a simple chunk of water - plus the chemicals, so that it was more like a thin mud - and the heavens? Also, the idea in the Revelation that the tail of the dragon (devil) swept a third of the stars out of the sky, shows the power of the devil to destroy a third of the laws of the universe. (The word "stars" is considered by Bible scholars to be angels, and when you consider the many descriptions of the angels and other living, heavenly beings, you can see that they are the laws of the universe... living, powerful laws.)

If there had been the electromagnetic frequencies of things like light and magnetism before the first day, the battle between Micheal and the devil was so violent that it wiped out whole sections of "universal science" so that the earth became as it was explained at the time the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.

God hovering over the waters was Him getting right in there to do His work of creation, which might actually have been, in part, re-formation and re-creation.

Putting all this together, we can see that the physics of the universe was extremely different in the past, even in the recent past. Because of this, much (most?) of the timing of things that modern science says is billions of years, etc., is simply what could be described as an upheaval in physics of the past. If things had been a completely smooth operation right back to what scientists call the Big Bang, scientists might be right. Yet, because they are leaving out the descriptions in the Bible, they are missing out on multitudes of things.



EDIT: Part of the reason that people of thousands of years ago - or even hundreds - didn't become as advanced as we, technologically, is that the changing physics of the universe made it very difficult for them determine from one year to the next how to use the sciences. The reason that things have settled down in the last couple thousand years has to do with a slowing of the rate of entropy. You know how a hot piece of iron transfers a lot of its heat to a cold piece of iron, very rapidly, at the beginning of the time when the two come in contact. Then, as the temperature of both approach a happy medium, the exchange rate of heat transfer slows down. This is why the changing physics of the universe isn't changing nearly as rapidly as it did in the past. And, because of it, we are able to examine and use what we have observed though science.

Well, it wasn't my idea, that you would be god, that is. Consider the at-least two places in the Bible, one where Jesus more or less quotes the other, the Old Testament, when he says, to the effect of, "'You are gods.' So, if he called them gods to whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken, why do you say that I am blaspheming when I call myself the Son of God?"

So, since the Word of God has come to you, at least in part - although it never comes to anyone completely and perfectly - hasn't God, Himself called you a god?

Good for you. And I am not speaking sarcastically. But let me start, sorta.

Since you are using deductive reasoning, how many trillions of things in the universe do you have left to prove? Of course, some things will be implied by others... maybe.

When you get done, if you have disproved everything in the universe from being God, will that mean that God doesn't exist?

If you prove God exists, or if you prove He doesn't exist, You are setting yourself up as god through the proving. So, one way or another God exists, even though there isn't any complete proof one way or another.

The problem with the atheism religion is, it is not the truth, any more than any other religion expresses the complete truth.

In fact, the fact that atheism denies that there is a god is a reason that it is destroying itself, for one major reason. That reason is that anyone who is willing to certify that there is no god, is by that certification setting himself up as god, just by making a certification like that.

When a god says that there is no god, that is self destruction.

One important thing is that the language is agreed on. If we call it "bits," that's great, if we all agree.

The IMPORTANT thing is that we start to talk in millionths of a bitcoin. Why? Because the fiat system is about to crash, at least regarding the USD. Bitcoin will jump shortly after, and multitudes of folks attempting to get "in" after the crash, will cause the price to soar. And THAT on top of the reduction in the availability, or desirability, worldwide, of the dollar.

Sure, current bitcoin holders will be rich. But the use of Bitcoin will spread. Supply and demand will bring the price up so high that we will ALL need to start talking in "bits" just to use Bitcoin with the general public, because of the high price.

That stepping off a cliff thing was known long before science as we know it came into being.