Thanks! Its total supply is missing, so our market cap is 0. It would be nice to see it in 600th place ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) .
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" I’ve been trying to workout how to use crypto to fund orphanages and free slaves internationally. I work with a couple of orphanages. How does bible pay convert token to on the ground assistance for orphans in somewhere like the Congo or Haiti?"
Here is another good use case for BiblePay - funding to free slaves internationally.
I like it!
Psalm128 -Lawrence
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i was updating until 3am to 1.0.8.1, but when i woke up, all miners was stuck on 25900... but pool still shown some hps from them. not full speed but maybe 1/4. this is weird after updating go 1.0.8.1b everything went to normal, look like number of blocs is increasing but not fast enough. if there was massive botnet, we must hitting at least every second block now, but we dont. will see later but i'm a little bit skeptic ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Yes, Im a little surprised also that the behavior of 1081 didnt kick them off abruptly also, the behavior is quite different than our wild west upgrade (the night the Sanctuaries went live). But Im watching 'exec versionreport' closely to see what the 1.0.7.1 botnet is doing, and it has shrunken from 60% down to 39% overnight. All I can say is maybe some of those nodes are upgrading to 1.0.8.1 and solo mining. The reason I say that is I can see every block from our cutover was solved on 1.0.8.1 (if you look at the block itself), but the pool only solved about 25% of them (raising our pool percentage up slightly over night but, not to 50% as I expected). Things have improved slightly but not nearly to the level I expected. So I measured the avg block time between 25910 and 25978 (thats 12 hours of being live on 1.0.8.1) and we still only solved 68 blocks, that is about the same as we were before the upgrade (IE 10 minute blocks instead of 7). But lets not make a judgement on that yet, as its a very small sample, lets check over a 2 week period next. Things could drastically change as soon as 1.0.8.1 has 51% hash power on it. We've got 35% on it now, lets hope that next milestone helps us rocket the pool forward.
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A few questions for anyone who knows the answers for me thanks.
Is there an advantage to using linux over windows? Should I install linux on my old machines? Is the hps better?
Is it better to have faster cpu or bigger cache? Am I better off having many miners (like 50) or a few (like 5) "really powerful" ones?
How many computers are in the "botnet" I saw 500 mentioned somewhere how are they beating 3500 miners on the pool?
strong server is better choice in solo like tons of VPS in pool ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) when will bbp be listed on other exchangers?
next 10 weeks wont be on any exchange ... ROB: most ppl befooled that mining..... me2 this column could be in RED,cos is very unclear My Missing MinersWhy do you say we wont be on any exchange? I think CCEX will put us back in within a few days of the 20th. Im sure hes going to be extremely busy, but I think he will squeeze us in. In addition, Im still in talks with another deal, I should know more within 8 days. Ill notify coinsmarkets now.
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So does the 1.0.8.1 stable for masternode now? Can I apply old watchdog on it?
The old watchman-on-the-wall is fine, but the sancs have to be upgraded- since we have the new 7 minute block target in 1.0.8.2. Diff is recalibrating now, Im going to let it run all night then take a sample of the avg block solve time.
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Alright guys, this has to be our last mandatory for a few months.
This is a pre-release notification for Linux only, if you are on linux you can start upgrading:
BiblePay - 1.0.8.1 Mandatory Upgrade for entire network Cutover Height: 25910
- Filter botnet - 7 minute block targets - At block 25910, old clients fork
Windows is compiling...
thanks Rob , great idea about staking . just to clarify , do we need to have a balance in the miner's wallet to have shares accepted at the pool ? Thanks Tiras, well this version does not have it yet, you know PIVX went through quite a lot to make a real stakeminer, so we have to do some more due diligence and add some originality before we can officially code it for testnet. We were discussing that issue in slack regarding the balance staked if pool mining. I am thinking we will have to do something like have the miner alternate to solo when it accrues enough to stake with, make an attempt to solo mine for an hour, then revert to pool mining with no stake. I'm thinking the user can set the threshhold if they want, they can say once we have XY coin-age available, lets stake for Z hours, then revert. I think the pool would have pure hashers against it. But one thing we can discuss is making a small amount of coin-age available to the pool to completely stave off botnets. (IE some feature that makes it hard to solo POW mine this coin without some coin-age in the block). Maybe even 100 BBP drops the hashtarget considerably, but 10,000 coin-age is reserved for solo-stakemining etc.
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Only 9 more blocks ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Technically it looks like 90% have not upgraded to 1.0.8.0, so this should provide quite a boost, I pray to God we go through without a hitch.
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BiblePay - 1.0.8.1 Mandatory Upgrade for entire network Cutover Height: 25910
- Filter botnet - 7 minute block targets - At block 25910, old clients fork
** Windows is Ready **
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Alright guys, this has to be our last mandatory for a few months.
This is a pre-release notification for Linux only, if you are on linux you can start upgrading:
BiblePay - 1.0.8.1 Mandatory Upgrade for entire network Cutover Height: 25910
- Filter botnet - 7 minute block targets - At block 25910, old clients fork
Windows is compiling...
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Alright, let's kick off the botnet. The release will be ready in 4 hours. This next release is just going to accept blocks > 1.0.8.0 and not do anything new with POS-POBH.
Sound great to kick it, but what does it means? Will that mean that all users then need the new release (> 1.0.8.0 including 1.0.8.0b) or is the current release (>= 1.0.8.0b) ok? In anycase it is a really good motivation for me to go on with the debian package topic ( http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=79.msg1053), I'm starting to hate the compilation on my systems ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) By the way, it would be fantastic if more people could give me feedback on that topic (includes two proposal ideas) ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The forum seems a little bit "deserted", would it be better to post such topics here in the future? I'm already diving deep into the debian package topic (I really think it is a good idea ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ), but I would still really love getting feedback on the pool idea. As far as what technically happens, we will release 1.0.8.1 in about 3 hours (30 minutes for linux), and everyone will be required to be on 1.0.8.1 before block 25900. After block 25900, we will reject blocks from pre 1.0.8.0 clients. Actually while we are doing this, why dont we go to 7 minute blocks also? We might as well fix that now so that we can have more reliable superblocks and have the ability to pay compassion.com every 30 days? Hang on guys... Ill push it back a little further and fix that now.
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Alright, let's kick off the botnet. The release will be ready in 4 hours. This next release is just going to accept blocks > 1.0.8.0 and not do anything new with POS-POBH.
Sound great to kick it, but what does it means? Will that mean that all users then need the new release (> 1.0.8.0 including 1.0.8.0b) or is the current release (>= 1.0.8.0b) ok? In anycase it is a really good motivation for me to go on with the debian package topic ( http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=79.msg1053), I'm starting to hate the compilation on my systems ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) By the way, it would be fantastic if more people could give me feedback on that topic (includes two proposal ideas) ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) The forum seems a little bit "deserted", would it be better to post such topics here in the future? I'm already diving deep into the debian package topic (I really think it is a good idea ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ), but I would still really love getting feedback on the pool idea. Guys, I hate seeing 3100 pool users hitting the pool and only solving 10% of the daily blocks, so that added to the motivation to do this. I know this is just a game of cat & mouse with the botnet, but we might as well give them one more night of "chasing us" since they now will have to recompile at least 500 PCs in my estimation and will at least be running the latest software with instantsend. But yes, I agree, I am not really going to play this game of cat and mouse much longer. It happened with Darkcoin (they eventually abandoned PC mining algorithms, it happened with Vertcoin - they had a botnet take over the supermajority of their hashpower, and now, this botnet is trying to do it to us). Im pretty sure we will need a hybrid proof-of-bible-stake algorithm mixed in next, but it needs to be done with more patience and testing this time around. Tom, I understand where you are coming from, but I already went ahead and coded it, I think we can just go ahead and bite the bullet with one more upgrade, sorry for the inconvenience... At least in 3 hours, the botnet will be gone and we will be the wild west over here for the night!
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Alright, let's kick off the botnet.
The release will be ready in 4 hours.
I'll be back in about an hour when linux is ready to compile.
Get ready for one more release.
This next release is just going to accept blocks > 1.0.8.0 and not do anything new with POS-POBH.
That future feature really has to be developed with care and tested in testnet for a couple months, then we can put it in the June release, as long as everyone likes the design.
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Swongel is translating the ANN post into Dutch, got a message from him: "I was translating and I stumbled upon what I think might be an error just checking with you before bothering Rob; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.0 says 18% Deflation per year (1.5% per month). 1.5% per months would be 19,56% per year (1.01512) if I'm not mistaken; also shouldn't it be Inflation? Since there will be coins added to the circulation and not subtracted?" -Swongel Thanks, updated the OP to refer to 19.5% compounded and deflationary and added the wiki link. There is a post on this forum explaining the compounding effect - I think it is about 10 pages back.
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I know its hard to upgrade so many devices, but 1.0.7.1 might be too old to tolerate - at least at this stage as the network isn't big enough to do it automatically. I say lets move forward and kick them.
To you, Tiras, Slovakia, and the others complaining about the low hash power of the pool, yes I agree- maybe we should boot the botnet off. I don't like the fact that a botnet has basically taken over the majority of the hash power here and refuses to run the latest code, which in some cases, is dangerous, as we are really a cutting edge community here. The biggest issue I have with this is Id hate to just kick them off so they are forced to upgrade (by issuing a mandatory that refuses old blocks) and then have them upgrade and just do it again- then we are back at square 1 for our next upgrade. The only way we can really do this properly is to make Biblepay a partial Proof-Of-Biblehash/Proof-of-stake hybrid, in the sense that you have to stake some of your balance in order to mine. That would tend to kick off the botnets, the ones who have zero or low balances, and force the PC to re-stake old coins; it also requires a PC to create the block. The idea here is lets say we make your (coin-age * coin-amount-staked) equal to the hash-target-boost you receive for that block. Then we would tend to reward our loyal community with solutions, and not bot nets. I'm willing to research the solution tonight and see if we can potentially put this in testnet, as long as this can be done as a mandatory before c-cex reopens. Otherwise we should probably deal with the botnet until June and explore the option for potential future release.
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Hey Rob, SEO_Account was attempting to create a Proposal on the Pool website but he noticed this message:
"** Note: Each new Proposal costs 2500 BBP. Please do not Save the proposal unless you agree to pay 2500 BBP **"
Does the proposal fee come out of the pool account? How does this work? (If it does come out of the pool account, is there a way to send funds to ones pool account?)
If BBP price is about $0.01 per BBP, thats about ~$25?
My understanding is that proposal fee is to help reduce spamming of proposals?
Thanks!, Togo
Yeah, someone tried to create a proposal pointed to a web site that had a virus on the page. I think theyve tried pretty much everything now. (That almost beats the one where they uploaded a virus into an orphans letter). So I had to raise the bar a little bit to enter proposals. You know, in Dash, its 5 dash to create a proposal, and since that is like $5000, over there the proposer usually asks for reimbursement inside the proposal. So I recommend doing the same thing here, pad the 2500 bbp on top of your proposal amount. The amount is deducted from the users pool balance. Its also there to help reduce proposals down to serious proposals only, the least I would expect is someone to spend $25 up front to ask us to evaluate the proposal (as it takes all of our time to vote on it and read it and discuss it) etc. I could deposit BBP into ones pool account if a person sends me BBP, Ill credit the pool account if need be. Awesome!, oh man so many terrible people in the world... ugh The 5 Dash fee has been interesting to watch given how much it costs now, its hard for the average joe to create proposals over there, I think theyve been debating a lower fee, but also theyve debating ideas like sub DAOs, and having organizations that vet projects and fund the fee, very interesting to watch unfold. There was one pretty awesome team that I saw that proposed creating a hardware wallet device for Dash and they got rejected, RIP $5k Currently I only have ~400 BBP in my pool account and I guess SEO_Account doesnt have much BBP in his either, I know your pool site abstracts the complexity of creating the proposal in the blockchain, which is awesome!, but yeah It would be cool to be able to fund my pool account if possible! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I think this is going to cause it to be harder for individuals who want to do work with us who dont mine on the pool or who dont have any coins (especially new charities/nonprofits and such), and I believe it also centralizes the process and causes you to have to do more work (which Id like to lift as much extra work as possible from you!), but I do think the proposal fee is totally necessary. Is there a way to enter the proposal into the blockchain without using the pool? I believe there is, I can dig into it and write instructions, but not sure if it would show up on the pool website, hmmm Ok, credited you the BBP to your pool account. The commands to do it from the chain are actually in the pool source code, its not easy, but its not rocket science. It requires dumping 6-7 fields in notepad, creating a hex proposal with rpc commands, sending money to escrow in the chain, recording txid, sending the thing into the chain as a proposal with escrow, so yes it can be done manually. I would not worry about this centralization too much right now, as I think the weed and feed nature weeds out corruption and is a greater benefit than spending time on the issue, we have a lot to do, and technically its still decentalized anyway. I think we should take a look at creating a spreadsheet of third world countries and filling fields with attributes for the unbanked, and starting an initiaitve to add a bbp feature taht services the unbanked and somehow, provides food to starving children in that area. We could ask Webster to make us a mobile electrum wallet, and lets try to be the creator of some high technology that lets you buy a loaf of bread in that area, or use bbp like a checking account. The stragglers will come on the board and beg you to enter a proposal, not a problem. You rang.. lol Yeah Id love to do that and actually AM doing that. I am considering different server side options for the RPC side. There are many libs out there to choose from . I have dug a bit into electrum server and got it installed but then got distracted with the UI side of things. Ive got several learning curves im going through with all these technologies (front and back) and languages so bear with me as I figure out several approaches. Also Ill never be able to mine 2500 bbp...with the missing blocks and my very low cpu resources id be lucky to reach that target in weeks. So to submit a proposal I will have to forward you some coins when Im ready to put something together. And I def want to get into this next blocks budget. Also have some interesting ideas for a PR project. Going to be a very busy next two weeks for me... ... I am going back to my coding cave now to absorb the bookmarks.... if only i could pause time to let my brain catch up to all these different bits of pieces .... ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Ok, sounds like you are very passionate about this project, thats what we need! Sweet. Yeah, we will back you when we need to put the proposal in, awesome.
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Sent 50k BBP to B74TWhTE5aCXc2WfPfZUcgQ3mnvcqFXm7J
Pool username is: togo_w
Looks like its still unconfirmed until we pass block 25865
Thanks!
Ok, thanks a lot, credited.
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Hey Rob, SEO_Account was attempting to create a Proposal on the Pool website but he noticed this message:
"** Note: Each new Proposal costs 2500 BBP. Please do not Save the proposal unless you agree to pay 2500 BBP **"
Does the proposal fee come out of the pool account? How does this work? (If it does come out of the pool account, is there a way to send funds to ones pool account?)
If BBP price is about $0.01 per BBP, thats about ~$25?
My understanding is that proposal fee is to help reduce spamming of proposals?
Thanks!, Togo
Yeah, someone tried to create a proposal pointed to a web site that had a virus on the page. I think theyve tried pretty much everything now. (That almost beats the one where they uploaded a virus into an orphans letter). So I had to raise the bar a little bit to enter proposals. You know, in Dash, its 5 dash to create a proposal, and since that is like $5000, over there the proposer usually asks for reimbursement inside the proposal. So I recommend doing the same thing here, pad the 2500 bbp on top of your proposal amount. The amount is deducted from the users pool balance. Its also there to help reduce proposals down to serious proposals only, the least I would expect is someone to spend $25 up front to ask us to evaluate the proposal (as it takes all of our time to vote on it and read it and discuss it) etc. I could deposit BBP into ones pool account if a person sends me BBP, Ill credit the pool account if need be. Awesome!, oh man so many terrible people in the world... ugh The 5 Dash fee has been interesting to watch given how much it costs now, its hard for the average joe to create proposals over there, I think theyve been debating a lower fee, but also theyve debating ideas like sub DAOs, and having organizations that vet projects and fund the fee, very interesting to watch unfold. There was one pretty awesome team that I saw that proposed creating a hardware wallet device for Dash and they got rejected, RIP $5k Currently I only have ~400 BBP in my pool account and I guess SEO_Account doesnt have much BBP in his either, I know your pool site abstracts the complexity of creating the proposal in the blockchain, which is awesome!, but yeah It would be cool to be able to fund my pool account if possible! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I think this is going to cause it to be harder for individuals who want to do work with us who dont mine on the pool or who dont have any coins (especially new charities/nonprofits and such), and I believe it also centralizes the process and causes you to have to do more work (which Id like to lift as much extra work as possible from you!), but I do think the proposal fee is totally necessary. Is there a way to enter the proposal into the blockchain without using the pool? I believe there is, I can dig into it and write instructions, but not sure if it would show up on the pool website, hmmm Ok, credited you the BBP to your pool account. The commands to do it from the chain are actually in the pool source code, its not easy, but its not rocket science. It requires dumping 6-7 fields in notepad, creating a hex proposal with rpc commands, sending money to escrow in the chain, recording txid, sending the thing into the chain as a proposal with escrow, so yes it can be done manually. I would not worry about this centralization too much right now, as I think the weed and feed nature weeds out corruption and is a greater benefit than spending time on the issue, we have a lot to do, and technically its still decentalized anyway. I think we should take a look at creating a spreadsheet of third world countries and filling fields with attributes for the unbanked, and starting an initiaitve to add a bbp feature taht services the unbanked and somehow, provides food to starving children in that area. We could ask Webster to make us a mobile electrum wallet, and lets try to be the creator of some high technology that lets you buy a loaf of bread in that area, or use bbp like a checking account. The stragglers will come on the board and beg you to enter a proposal, not a problem.
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Thanks, you should be set!
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Relax, we all feel the pains & challenges that are inevitable when building a great project like BiblePay. I spent years working in heavy construction where the danger and pain is real, so to me this virtual/digital type project tastes like a delicious piece of chocolate cake. We need your input and your help Slovakia. Just as important we need your prayers. Thank you sir! Good point, lets take a moment to Thank God for providing the Creation of the Entire Universe, all living things and all moving atoms, and our strength, intelligence, wisdom, health, dexterity, and charisma to solve daily problems like this and realize nothing is possible without God. Take time to thank him for your peace and safety, that we are not in WWIII currently, and we are dealing with "easy" things like being hot or cold and living in a glass house, and not dealing with starvation or being in the tribulation. Thank you Jesus! EDIT: I pray for Slovakia to have meek, and sweet and stable personality.
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Yeah, someone tried to create a proposal pointed to a web site that had a virus on the page. I think theyve tried pretty much everything now. (That almost beats the one where they uploaded a virus into an orphans letter).
So I had to raise the bar a little bit to enter proposals. You know, in Dash, its 5 dash to create a proposal, and since that is like $5000, over there the proposer usually asks for reimbursement inside the proposal.
So I recommend doing the same thing here, pad the 2500 bbp on top of your proposal amount.
The amount is deducted from the users pool balance.
Its also there to help reduce proposals down to serious proposals only, the least I would expect is someone to spend $25 up front to ask us to evaluate the proposal (as it takes all of our time to vote on it and read it and discuss it) etc.
I could deposit BBP into ones pool account if a person sends me BBP, Ill credit the pool account if need be.
Hey Rob I have no problem paying the 2500 BBP. Could you post the address that I should send it to? Thanks! Please send it to the pool; it can use the money still: B74TWhTE5aCXc2WfPfZUcgQ3mnvcqFXm7J Let me know your handle in the pool and Ill credit you? Thanks dude.
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