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40301  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are house cats useful? on: August 20, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
Yes cats are amazing at getting rid of rodents.  Warning, street cats will leave a beheaded mouse on the floor and you might pick it up thinking it is a piece of porkchop.

I'm a better housekeeper than to let pieces of my pork chop lie around on the floor until they get fuzz on 'em.

Smiley
40302  Other / Off-topic / Re: Science and God? on: August 20, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
Science and God is a nobrainer. God created everything. Science has to do with the observation of everything. All the rest is interpretation.

Science is not interpretation. Science has to do with observation. Scientists who interpret God out of science simply haven observed enough, yet. Or else they are liars...

Smiley

Saying that science is only about observation is so untrue. Yes, observation is huge part of science, but is used to come with new ideas and systems, machines, almost everything. Our technology is based on observations applied into many differents industries, just observing wouldn't get us into space....

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science?s=t

science
[sahy-uh ns]

noun
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:
the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

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Obviously, this is only one definition. It seems to be close to the long-standing definition regarding observation. The interesting part is this. Nowhere in the definition does it speak of things that have not been proven. It only talks about "facts."

For example. There is no scientific fact that the age of the earth is beyond about 4,500 years. There is a lot of evidence that suggests that the earth might be as old as 25,000 years. And there are interpretations that suggest that the earth is millions or billions of years old.

All the honest, capable scientists say it this way, either straight forward, or by disclaimer words like "if" and "maybe." The dishonest scientists suggest that they have proof. The fact is, there are too many evidences that the earth is a very young earth. And many of these evidences are the same ones that are used to suggest an old earth. It is mostly based on interpretation when you go beyond about 4,500 years, and all based on interpretation when you go beyond about 25,000 years.

So, why do so many school text books, so many "science" websites, multitudes of scientific papers, all suggest earth being millions or billions of years old? Because they didn't go to the trouble of saying "if" or "maybe" themselves. They simply said that they were basing their work on the work of someone who went before them. Or they suggest it is the accepted model of the universe, and they didn't check the truth of it out themselves.

This is NOT science. Not by the, above, definition. What this is, is, politics. It is propaganda. It is science in only ONE way. It is political science expressed. And it is presented in the smoothest, most cunning ways - simple, humble, straight-forward lies.

The science that is behind the engineered inventions is good and real science. In fact, it is the political propaganda science that is holding much technical progress back, progress that would have been made by engineers using good science that has been clouded by the propaganda.

Since the whole world seems to have this mixture of real science, and propaganda being touted as science, no wonder there are troubles within nations. It's time for us to wake up to this fact by examining the language of science, and then re-examining the science itself if necessary.

Personal belief doesn't make something in to a scientific reality.

Smiley
40303  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you guys think about Mars one? on: August 20, 2014, 12:01:08 AM
I think it's an awesome project that the humankind needs, even if it just to increase interest in space travel and the colonization of Mars.

Then there's the street people in the U.S. - a lot of them ex-military - and the homeless kids, and the people living in their cars because they lost their homes to a corrupt banking system, all who don't think about the Mars One project very much, because they are almost starving to death.

Smiley
40304  Other / Off-topic / Re: Science and God? on: August 19, 2014, 11:57:25 PM
Science and God is a nobrainer. God created everything. Science has to do with the observation of everything. All the rest is interpretation.

Science is not interpretation. Science has to do with observation. Scientists who interpret God out of science simply haven observed enough, yet. Or else they are liars...

Smiley
40305  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to win at the Forex. on: August 19, 2014, 11:51:20 PM
After 15 years, part-time, of dabbling, calculating, formulating, back-testing, etc., the Strategy in my first post, above ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727301.msg8221050#msg8221050 ), produces the best results over the longest period of time, of anything I have seen. The key is the 10-pip Limit against the 90-pip Stop, with the multiplier added.

If you can find an honest broker who will let you do what I have listed there, you will win BIG if you don't get stupid about it.

Smiley
40306  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: August 19, 2014, 08:53:40 PM


Is that a 5k note barely peeking out of the bikini bottom of the gal on the left?

Smiley
40307  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you guys think about Mars one? on: August 19, 2014, 08:33:30 PM
Going to Mars is always an interesting idea. And, you have to start somewhere. Personally I would rather most of the bugs were worked out before I did it.

I think that the fiat currencies will collapse, throwing the whole world into turmoil, before these people get going. But if it happens after we get some folks out there, they will probably be stranded, unless the 4 that are already out there, and the 4 replacements that are on the way, decide that they all are going to return together, once they hear of the collapse over the radio.

If we DO manage to get people on Mars, I seriously doubt that we will get a self-sustaining colony going before the collapse.

Any way, it'll be more dangerous, and harder work, than most of the group can imagine.

Smiley
40308  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 19, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Parents, for the love of god send your kids to a good private school.  Undecided

Especially if they are science-minded, and God-minded at the same time. They will, at least, have a chance to combine all kinds of truths that they would completely miss in a public school.

Smiley
40309  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 19, 2014, 07:59:39 PM
As 'whatever' moved over the 'deep'.. then he 'said' "let there be light" - according to one book..

This denotes something moved over that which was deep. Who created the depth?

More importantly, how did 'whomever', 'SPEAK'?

Who or 'WHAT' heard his commands?

Who or What granted his wish's?

The foundation for getting a clear picture of this, has to do with understanding sound, and the nature of the universe. And the start of such understanding might be through what is written below.

All vibration is sound. Radio waves, and light waves, are sound. How can this be? It has to do with the universe being way more complex that anyone has dreamed.

Keep in mind parallel universes, side by side, in the MEGA-universe. Also, keep in mind that the words being used are so that the layman can get a picture. They are not for technical mathematics.

"Space" is an elastic solid. It is home for, possibly, an infinite number of "parallel universes, side by side," each one operating with its own "universal" vibration.

When you move something physical through a section of space, like waving your hand in the air, the individual sub-atomic particles that make up the individual atoms of your hand, are broken down and reassembled across multitudes of universes, causing reactions in all these universes. The actual sub-atomic particles are points - think of eddies in a pond, created by two or more waves crossing over each other - where the various parallel universes "touch" momentarily, all of this acting according to UNTOLD MULTITUDES of EXTREMELY COMPLEX universal laws.

Such things as light, sub-atomic particles that move through space, electromagnetic waves, are all simpler forms, similar to the complex ones listed in the previous paragraph. ALL vibrations through space - because space is an elastic solid - are, therefore, sound.

When you have a Being that is essentially, in His nature, from "outside of" our mega-universe (whatever that means), and One Who has the ability to cause vibrations in the "space" of our universe that might be compared with vibrations that people speak through the air - although the vibrations through the air are many magnitudes less complex than speaking through the elastic solid of space - you can start to see how the things of the universe were spoken into existence, as written in the first chapter of the Bible.

Smiley
40310  Other / Off-topic / Re: bitcoin is the god of atheist on: August 19, 2014, 02:17:11 PM
Oh, yeah. Forgot to mention. Bitcoin isn't the god of atheists. Atheists are their own god.

Smiley
40311  Other / Off-topic / Re: bitcoin is the god of atheist on: August 19, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
"Bitcoin" has two meanings:
1. Computer money - bit, as in byte, and money;
2. The hidden meaning - In the old days, gold was money. The way the average person tested to see if a coin was pure gold was to bite it. Gold is soft, and the teeth can make indentations in a pure gold coin. However, often a person accepting a gold coin as payment, didn't have to bite the coin. All he had to do was look at the number of bites on the coin to see how often the coin had changed hands, being there by authenticated. Hence, bit coin. The people, back then, who were at a disadvantage, often were the people who handled a lot of gunpowder routinely. Gunpowder efficacy was tested in the same way as gold coins. The difference was that gunpowder testers often lost their teeth doing gunpowder tests. This meant that they couldn't test to see if the gold coins were real. This was often why gunpowder testers would only accept well-used gold coins, ones that they didn't have to personally authenticate.

Bitcoin.

Smiley

(chuckle)
40312  Other / Off-topic / Re: how i propose a girl after 7 years on: August 19, 2014, 01:57:33 PM
Bangladesh is a common law nation. This means that the people are the law.

You said that you are serious. Make an appointment with her when you both have 2 to 3 hours to spend together. Show her your written down list of marriage points, points that are what you expect of yourself, what you expect of her, what you will abide by according to your local Bangladesh area tradition. Make an appointment so that she can respond with her list after looking at yours.

You said August 15. This deadline has come and gone. If it is not finished already, tell her that you want to finish it at your next meeting, one way or the other. After all, you can't spend your whole life (and hers) simply waiting around. At the next meeting, both of you will set the marriage date, or you will separate forever. If you separate, make it final by finding another woman.

Smiley
40313  Other / Off-topic / Re: Pictures from Russia. on: August 19, 2014, 01:46:40 PM


Wow, they have been mining CANN coin Cheesy

Ivan Kupala X-mas tree.

Smiley
40314  Other / Off-topic / Re: Karma is real - explained on: August 18, 2014, 08:23:31 PM
I don't believe in karma anymore Dank.

I've been waiting since forever to get my reward for the many good deeds I do. As far as I'm concerned, karma is a sham... Just like that 'give and you shall receive' crap. What - am I supposed to always be the giver; that's not fair.

Maybe if you stopped waiting for it and lost your expectations, it would catch up to you.  Karma is about helping people unconditionally, not with the intentions of getting something back.

Many people reap their karma years down the road.

Besides, it seems that your goal in life is the looking. If you received other good things, you wouldn't find as much gratification in your goal of looking for them. So you won't receive these other good things, just so that you can continue to receive your goal, which is to constantly look for them.

Smiley
40315  Other / Off-topic / Re: God is Reality on: August 18, 2014, 05:48:23 PM
Scientists don't really have a clue, scientifically, about what happened on earth beyond about 4,500 years ago.

Can you provide any information that supports you?
As fas as i can remember i saw, heard and read pretty much scientific news dating their findings more than 4,5k years...


Indeed @nakazznicek,

Here are some examples that refute @BADecker

Tree ring records > 11,000 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendroclimatology

Ice core records ~ 1 Million years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core

Paleomagnetic records >5 Million years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleomagnetism

Actually, all these things are interpretations of certain kinds of evidence. Since we don't know how the evidence was "deposited" there, because we weren't there to observe it, we don't know if we are interpreting it correctly.

While the Bible leaves some of its areas open to interpretation, it is also a book of records, where people recorded what they observed.

Examine the Bible the same way you examine all science, and you will find that the Bible outdoes everything else in all areas of accuracy.

Smiley
40316  Other / Off-topic / Re: God is Reality on: August 18, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
Scientists don't really have a clue, scientifically, about what happened on earth beyond about 4,500 years ago.

Can you provide any information that supports you?
As fas as i can remember i saw, heard and read pretty much scientific news dating their findings more than 4,5k years...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

This Wikipedia article says two basic things.
1. The earth IS so old...
2. We base our findings on radiometric age dating.

Then when you look up "radiometric age dating," you will find out how the dating is done. It is very interesting. It leads you to believe that "they" know what they are talking about. Yet the article is full of suppositions, "if's," that show you that the whole thing is complete guesswork. For example, "... the heavy parent isotopes were produced by nucleosynthesis in supernovas... ." Now, who in the world has ever been out to a supernova to analyze that this is what happened, and that this is how it works? It's a good story. But it is entirely guesswork. There is probably some scientist who has found out that this could not work like this, but his paper on it has been "lost" by the universities that would rather control their "stories" for their own financial benefit rather then the truth, that they don't really know. There are lots of statements like this throughout the article.

What it is, is, a science fiction story that has been built up over a long time, and does seem to have some good evidence behind it.

The most solid dating goes back to where the most ancient city ruins are the ones that are sitting on the base sub-strata, where there is nothing below them. These cities have pottery in them that can be shown by comparisons with pottery in later cities, right up to the present, that the age of the oldest cities is right around 4,500 years old.

This is a whole field of endeavor, with much competition between researchers. It is very interesting, but it is also a many-years study. It includes a form of forensics that separates the "if" people from the "fact" finders.

I read science fiction, too, once in awhile. But I don't cross the fiction with what is know as fact if I can help it.

Smiley

So you are directing me where it says Earth is old 4.5 billion years, there are pyramids older than yours 4.5k years, and many heritage is older than 4.5 thousand years. I don't get your point there. And if you don't understand how are supernovas and other stars studied in the long distance, parsecs would fit the best, and then you state "who in the world has ever been out to a supernova to analyze that this is what happened, and that this is how it works" I simply have no choice than let you be useful and do some research how it's made, pretty interesting stuf.

Also: Stonehenge, Gobekli Tepe

Sorry for being unclear. The point that I was trying to make is that ALL dating beyond 4,500 years ago, or so, is base on "if" one way or another. "If" isn't fact. "If" is guesswork.

Smiley
40317  Other / Off-topic / Re: Science and God? on: August 18, 2014, 05:12:46 PM
I know you don't believe in God. But from the seeing the actions of the tiniest micro-organism (a single cell is quite a busy place!) to the complexities of the mightiest galaxy to the mystery that is love, how can you not? If all the universe is an accident, well it is one heck of an accident. I don't see science and God as being at odds. I believe science helps us to understand, as well as our limited human brains can, the wonders of God's creation.

You're right in saying that the universe is "one heck of an accident", but that's what I believe. Was it Carl Sagan that said "We should be thankful for winning the cosmic lottery!"

Don't forget that although it seems like an incredibly unlikely thing to happen, we are only pondering these questions because we happen to be conscious. Think of all the other life on Earth that can never ask these questions, not to mention the possible other stars/galaxies/other universes where the conditions were not quite right for life to exist. There's nothing there to ask "Where did it come from?"

Although I don't believe in any god, I do feel a certain "spiritual-ish" connection with the universe, when I ponder where all the atoms in my body originated. The beer I'm drinking right now probably contains traces of rare elements that were born in a supernova somewhere billions of light years away...
Evolution is a fact. It cannot be denied. It is a reality and the proof has built up over 150 years. To deny evolution is to defy common sense. Do not ask me to prove something that has been abundantly proved. There are more facts about evolution on the internet that can be read in a life time. Show me one single piece of evidence that the Biblical creation stories are real and really happened?Huh

Want proof that the Bible is true? Google "proof of the bible" or some other such words. Examine the resulting sites, and you will find all kinds of evidence that outweighs all the Evolution evidence many times over.

The next thing you need to do is decide what you are going to believe, the evidence, or the political science. "Political science?" you ask. Yes. "Political science" is where people keep on saying it over and over in the face of all the evidence, until people start to believe it because they have heard it so often. "It is a reality and the proof has built up over 150 years" of political science hollering that evolution is true, and the Bible is false, even though the evidence shows the opposite.

Smiley
40318  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to win at the Forex. on: August 18, 2014, 05:03:45 PM
Lot of luck and no fear Smiley

No such thing as luck. There is only cause and effect. Fear comes through ignorance of cause and effect.

Smiley
40319  Other / Off-topic / Re: how i propose a girl after 7 years on: August 18, 2014, 05:00:34 PM
LOL. Your comments are fun.

Smiley
40320  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: August 18, 2014, 04:58:49 PM
I wish somebody would post a few of these kinds of pictures of some Asian gals who are 80 or 90 years old... without makeup (or clothes?). That way we could see that this is all in vain.

Smiley
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