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4041  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gov't ability to break encryption on: October 05, 2010, 04:14:05 PM
You are not taking all circumstances under consideration..

And the most important one is: QUANTUM COMPUTERS.

The goverment always has everything much faster than the rest of the world (example: they had Internet at least 10-15 years before the public). Scientists currently say, that quantum computers are a matter of 10 years. So what if government is 10 years ahead of everybody else, and they have the Quantums already ?

Such an hypothesis is a bit too big for me.  I doubt it complies to Occam's razor.

Also, quantum computers would make quantum cryptography easy.

So it would kill bitcoins, but would allow the arrival of a quantic cryptocurrency, which would be absolutely unbreakable.
4042  Economy / Economics / Re: Organised crime on: October 05, 2010, 04:00:54 PM
I do care about organised crime using bitcoin.

The fact that a technology can be abused does not make that technology immoral.  But that doesn't mean that we should ignore such abuse.  We will never be able to eliminate a degree of abuse but we can use our common sense and refuse to do business with people who seem fishy. On a strictly voluntary basis of course.  If the Bitcoin economy becomes too dominated by criminals it will hurt Bitcoin's reputation.


This is a perfectly acceptable point of view, apart from one thing :  I doubt the word "abuse" is appropriate.

Abuse is the improper usage for bad purpose.  When a gangster is using bitcoins, he's using it in a proper way, for its real purpose.  It's only his motivation which is "bad" or, more precisely, illegal.  When a ganster is getting in a train to move a stolen marchandise from a A point to a B point, we can't talk about any "abuse" of the train.  Otherwise we could say exactly the same thing about pretty much any single thing he uses : from his car to his telephone, not to mention his computer, his shoes, the food he eats or the air is breathing...  This would be ridiculous and would make the world "abuse" lose all its sense, turning it into a synonym for "used for criminal activities".

I agree with what you say about people refusing to do business with people who seem fishy.  But this has absolutely nothing to do with the business medium.  It could be bitcoin, fiat money, computers or telephones, Internet...  The list is long.

Crime should not be an obstacle to technical progress.
4043  Economy / Economics / Re: Organised crime on: October 05, 2010, 06:37:18 AM
Blaming the money system for crime is like blaming the ocean for a drowning.

Nice metaphore.
4044  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrencies are theftproof on: October 05, 2010, 04:52:27 AM
TrueCrypt isn't free software? I always thought it is. It isn't GPL, but GPL is not the only free software license.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truecrypt#Licensing

« The TrueCrypt License has not been officially approved by the Open Source
Initiative and is not considered "free" by several major Linux distributions
(Arch Linux^[25], Debian^[26], Ubuntu^[27], Fedora^[28], openSUSE^[29],
Gentoo^[30]), mainly because of distribution and copyright-liability
reasons.^[31] »
4045  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrencies are theftproof on: October 05, 2010, 04:09:03 AM
There is always truecrypt. http://www.truecrypt.org/

Someone famous said data doesnt exist unless it has 3 copies. One local,one off site and one on media such as a usb drive. I like using carbonite for the off site backups http://www.carbonite.com/en/default.aspx . Ironkey usb drives are also pretty nice. https://www.ironkey.com/


TrueCrypt is not free software.

I definitely need to learn the free alternative, which is cryptsetup on GNU/linux, I guess.
4046  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Equity Market on: October 05, 2010, 03:57:27 AM
You are true some, kind of enforcement mechanism is needed to make the companies accountable .

I don't think so.  No enforcement is necessary as long as you consider that an investor is responsible from his investiment choices.

If an investor wants to buy shares of a company, that means he has some trust into this company.  Therefore it's up to him to believe or not in the company's published accounts.

Sure, an enforced company would have a better price, since it would be possible for non-much motivated investors to invests in it.

But it should be possible for a company to rely entirely on its reputation, and on its reputation only, to have investors trust her.
4047  Economy / Economics / Re: Reputation and game theory on: October 05, 2010, 03:46:24 AM
Ebay has a pretty good system in place for reputation ratings. 

Sure, but it's a centralized system.  So it's easy to make a rating system.

The question is :  how would work a rating system in a decentralized network ?
Is it even possible ?
4048  Economy / Economics / Organised crime on: October 05, 2010, 03:32:19 AM
Should I care about organised crime using bitcoins ?

I don't.  Shame on me, I know.

On the contrary, the fact that organised crime will spend energy in using bitcoins ensures me that governments won't be able to control the bitcoin network.

Crime should be fought for what it is.  A murder is a murder.  A theft is a theft.  But when a criminal is using a car, he's just a person who is driving a car.  Fast cars are important for thieves, for they allow them to escape from police.  Still, I don't think it would be a good idea to forbid the use of fast cars.  It's the same old debate regarding the tool and its use.  A hammer can kill someone, if it is used in this intention.  Still, we don't ban hammers.

Therefore, I don't care if organised crime is using bitcoins.  I don't care at all.  There are other ways to fight criminals than tracking their expenses.
4049  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrencies are theftproof on: October 05, 2010, 01:18:45 AM
What I like about cryptocurrencies, whether it is bitcoin or any other yet-to-become major cryptocurrency, is that it is impossible to steal it, unless you use torture.


It's not impossible, just incrediblely difficult, which is the best that can be hoped for.  Don't get the idea that your bitcoin balance is "as good as gold" sitting in your safe, because it's not.

Thks for this warning.  I'll try to keep it in mind.
4050  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Cryptocurrencies are theftproof on: October 05, 2010, 12:20:24 AM
What I like about cryptocurrencies, whether it is bitcoin or any other yet-to-become major cryptocurrency, is that it is impossible to steal it, unless you use torture.

I know very few theftproof things.  Actually I don't know any of them.

I can put some gold in a safe, but any thief with appropriate tools can open any safe.  I can hide it somewhere in a desert place, but anyone could just find it and take it.

Real estate is so easy to steal if not protected by public force.  Diamonds are small so you can easily hide them, but still, it's not perfect.  I've heard that during WWII, some jews hid some value using very rare philatelic stamps.  It's good, but not very reliable, imo.

Cryptocurrencies are theftproof, as long as cryptographic functions can not be broken.  And so far, they can't.  Therefore the only key to access your wallet, is the passphrase you stored in your mind.

If I'm right, if cryptocurrencies are really theftproof, then they are priceless.
4051  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs gold ? on: October 04, 2010, 11:54:50 PM
I am so selling my gold now.

Indeed maybe the winning cryptocurrency won't be bitcoin.   But it's the first one, in what I consider to be a new area in history of economics.

2009 will be written in history as the year when cryptocurrencies where invented.


I enjoy your enthusiastic posts about bitcoin Smiley.

Honnestly it must be difficult to be bigger a fan of bitcoin than me, for I've been waiting for such a currency to appear for years now.
4052  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs gold ? on: October 04, 2010, 11:06:01 PM
I am so selling my gold now.

Indeed maybe the winning cryptocurrency won't be bitcoin.   But it's the first one, in what I consider to be a new area in history of economics.

2009 will be written in history as the year when cryptocurrencies were invented.
4053  Economy / Trading Discussion / Bitcoin vs gold ? on: October 04, 2010, 06:24:20 PM
In 2000, the smart move was to buy gold.

In 2010, is it to buy bitcoins ?


Could it be the winning trade of the century ?
4054  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Website and software translations on: October 04, 2010, 05:16:06 PM
Seriously : could anyone replace "Kriptomonunuo" by "Cxifromono" in the esperanto page ?   "Kriptomonunuo" is very ugly for it means "the money unit from the crypt".   In esperanto, "kripto" is the underground cell where we burry dead people.

Please !
4055  Other / Off-topic / Re: True Goal of Satoshi on: October 04, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
It may sound presomptuous but I think I have quite an accurate idea of what Satoshi's goal is.

I've been thinking about digital money for quite some time now.  At least two years.  First it was because I was curious about the main theoretical problem :  what is the best way to send money through internet ?  Why can't we send money via email ?   Then it was because I was disgusted by the banking oligarchy and the "too big to fail".   While I was imaging the concept, I came to the conclusion that one should use asymetric key pairs to indentify every single monetary unit, and that the knowledge of a private key would equal the ownership of the associated monetary unit.  I couldn't find a way to get out of the centralized server concept, though. 

When I red Satoshi's white paper, it kind of freed my mind from this reflexion theme.  Now I don't have to think about it anymore, since Satoshi has found the solution with his very clever decentralized time server idea.  The fact that Satoshi's idea is exactly what I was looking for, makes me think he had the same initial goal :  creating an efficient and rational way to transfer value on internet.

Is there any political/activist intent from him ?  I don't know.  As far as I'm concerned, I'm a very liberal person and an enthousiast supporter of free market and individual freedom.  I guess Satoshi is too, but I can't speak for him, obviously.
4056  Other / Off-topic / Re: Use bitcoins to stop spam email on: October 04, 2010, 04:49:50 PM
Configure your incoming email server to only accept emails with 5 BTC (0.25 USD) attached. If the mail is spam, the addressee keeps the 5 BTC and the sender's email address is blocked. If it's not spam, the addressee must return the 5 BTC in order to receive future emails from the sender.

For some reason I don't like this idea.  At all.

Against spam I prefer the X-hash idea, which is already used.  It's a proof of work attached to any sent email.
4057  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Selling information with bitcoins on: October 04, 2010, 04:22:28 PM
Your model of paying for divulgation doesn't solve the free rider problem.

Still, lighthouses can be run profitably in a voluntary market so there is no reason that this can't.

Only difference is that it's likely to be less profitable than the paying for diffusion model (back when it used to work). You will never be able to completely eliminate free riders.


I'm not sure that free riders are an issue as long as the seller can make sure he raised the expected amount of money.

If you buy a car, and then lend it to a friend, I'm not sure your friend can be considered as a "free rider".  Once your car is bought, you can share it with someone else : it's not the initial seller's business anymore.  Selling divulgation allows alienation, while selling diffusion doesn't.

Indeed, it's likely to be less profitable, of course.  But since sellers presently use public force to sell, I can understand that they make more money than if they wouldn't.  A gangster certainly makes less money with no gun.
4058  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buying bitcoins with LR on: October 04, 2010, 04:15:43 PM
Valerius, before you start getting bitcoins - make sure you use
the latest Bitcoin version (currently 0.3.13) to not be deceived.

why ?  Is 0.3.12 that bad ?
4059  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buying bitcoins with LR on: October 04, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
LOL Liberty Reserve does not charge any monthly fee's
you only pay 1% fee to send, receiving is free.


Well, they haven't so far, but their terms of service allow them to do so any time they want.  See above.
4060  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buying bitcoins with LR on: October 04, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
Thanks to all posts guys...

@grondilu,
It is on their terms maybe to assure them the right to charge it but the "month fee" was never charged. No one never was charged with this fee. The only fee that exists in the system is when you accepts a payment they will charge 1%. Capped at the max of $2.99 per transfer. So if you accepts a 1k transfer, you will not pay 1% but only $2.99.

Ok, I may reconsider my position about LR then (I guess if they start charging monthly I can just close my account).  Won't be soon, though.

Good luck with your business.
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