By volume, probably the old dudes who are doing it for years here. Like SebastianJu,Minerjones, OgNasty, etc. By the most trustworthy, well the same guys, if they're still doing it, there is a reason :p You can find some topics here and there to search through edit: like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0 |
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Even banks carry some risks so if anyone says it's investment without any risk, he/she is in mistake from the very first because doesn't matter how they acquire profit, loans carry a lot of risks too.
Maybe they are safe but don't know why you have to wait years for 6.5% profit (that number is stated in article instead of 8 as it's on thread's title). I think investor who waits for 6% guaranteed profit isn't good one and if you have a lot of money, better to invest in business, fund startups and etc.
How much profit (max) can you get if you live in usa and deposit in bank?
Banks don't take a risk. The entity taking the risk is the loan insurance issuer. Because you when you borrow money there is insurance for the bank in case you don't pay or become disabled, ect. You don't understand what is weekly, monthly, or P.A.? Do you have a bank account at least? 6% can be considered as a decent rate, considering banks offer ~1% |
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The title is misleading. BIS Chief Reverses Stance on cryptos where?
This person says: "the creation and issuance of digital versions of national fiat currencies"
He didn't say "the creation & issuance of cryptos"
In the same way, he also said "we need to be able to provide central bank digital currencies."
Not "...to provide central banks cryptocurrencies"
I don't know if the article didn't get it (or me?), is confused, or intentionally looking for something to write no matter how accurate it is.
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CBOE announcing delisting Bitcoin Futures on Saturday is enough to make Bitcoin crashes by $3000  I expected a correction anyway, but after Bitcoin touched the $13,000 I didn't expect such a correction, rather something like $1k-$1.5k. There's also news about 500 million sold on Bitmex (or something like that) maybe it's tied too. |
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@BobK71
Why worry about FB coin? Most countries won't allow this coin. Some countries have already started to be clear saying FB won't be able to issue coins here. The minority who will be using this currency will be from tier 3 countries, I bet you won't see it in westerner countries.
Also it's easy to block FB currency since there is a company behind, while because it's not possible.
As Libracoins are backed through western Gov Bonds too, Govs will be more than happy to help Libra. They have found a big new source to finance their debt. Sometime politician's opposition is put up just in order to save face, in which case it is just fake opposition. Do you prefer to trust a company or a government with your money? A company that will do nothing in exchange for your local economy, and won't give you many benefits compared to cash, and maybe less. It doesn't work like that where a FB is bought for $1, it's not going to reduce countries debt. Otherwise, it would have been done a decade ago. Most EU countries, for example, are hunting FB because the company abuses the EU. Do you think EU countries will let FB coin issued in the EU? |
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Interest payments are based on cryptos, there are no interest payments in dollars. And if you choose to receive the interests in CEL (the Celsius token) the percentage is higher. But if I'm correct borrowers can get a loan with USD as collateral too instead coins Interest is deposited every other week No, that's why they explained there is no compounding interest  So you can't withdraw your interest, only after how much time? but it does get deposited into your account every week? ... If it doesnt' compound why not just give it every X months, when you can instantly withdraw it and redeposit it to make it compound... ?... I don't get it. The average investor doesn't want to receive profits every month, too long. It's acceptable if it's your bank, but when dealing with an enterprise like this one it's different. Yes, the payment interests are credited every week. Sure you can compound yourself the interest but it doesn't worth to go 100% compounding, unless we're talking about xxxx$ weekly in interest. |
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Interest payments are based on cryptos, there are no interest payments in dollars. And if you choose to receive the interests in CEL (the Celsius token) the percentage is higher. But if I'm correct borrowers can get a loan with USD as collateral too instead coins Interest is deposited every other week No, that's why they explained there is no compounding interest Anybody noticed the *"Interest rates are subject to change". What does it mean? It means you can borrow $50,000 with 8% rate but 6 months later wake up a morning and discover the rate changed to 20%  |
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(Apres le post de Roccou et Saint-Loup, j'ai pensé qu'il serait bien d'ouvrir un topic dédie à la nouvelle législation pour partir sur une discussion fraiche) Le nouveau décret concernant les crypto monnaies a été publié le 27 Juin, pour les pro et les particuliers. Rien de bien compliqué en soit. Mais il entre en vigueur immediatement. Donc des maintenant on sait ce qu'il faut faire et comment le declarer Décret n° 2019-656 du 27 juin 2019 relatif aux obligations déclaratives incombant aux redevables personnes physiques réalisant, directement ou par personnes interposées, à titre occasionnel, des cessions d'actifs numériques en application du B du V de l'article 150 VH bis du code général des impôts ainsi qu'aux détenteurs de comptes d'actifs numériques ouverts dans des établissements situés à l'étranger en application du dernier alinéa de l'article 1649 bis C du code général des impôts
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jsessionid=E734940CCA8A0A037C19082F9ADEF9B8.tplgfr38s_2?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000038695963&dateTexte=&oldAction=rechJO&categorieLien=id&idJO=JORFCONT000038695702 |
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Celui qui a pris les risques d'acheter de la crypto, c'est le particulier, qu'est-ce que le fisc charognard vient foutre ici ? c'est pas reconnu comme monnaie puisqu'on ne peut pas payer les impôts en bitcoin.
Je suggère d'envoyer balader le fisc. Le plus simple c'est d'encaisser les gains à Malte : 0% d'impôts sur les cryptos. Pour ouvrir un compte bancaire là-bas, il faut un domicile là-bas soit en location soit propriétaire.
En tant qu'européens, nous français, on peut déménager là-bas. s'il y a beaucoup de bitcoin, une idée : investir dans l'immobilier locatif saisonnier en bord de mer et louer via rbnb par exemple.
Autre solution : acheter des biens et services sur internet en changeant de wallet après chaque transaction pour brouiller les pistes, ça peut être des smartphones chers qui se revendent bien sur le bon coin ou des pièces d'or (bitgild.com). L'or n'est taxé qu'à 10 %.
Qu'en pensez-vous ? j'attends vos réactions !
Certes ce n'est pas reconnu comme une monnaie puisque les gens se sont laissé aller à appeler ca 'un actif'. Alors comme tout les actifs il semble juste de vouloir les taxer pour etre équitable avec tout le monde. Autrement on pourrait commencer à debattre pour dire "tel actif doit etre taxé et celui la non, etc..." "c'est actif la doit etre plus taxé parce que plus de risque" En faisant tourner ca à son avantage comme par hasard... Je te conseille aussi d'envoyer baladé le fisc, tu te rendra compte qu'au final c'est pas toi le chef. Moi aussi je les ai envoyer balader pendant 8 ans, quand il m'ont pécho ils m'ont sodomisé bien profond et sans produit vaisselle. Et tu crois qu'ouvrir un compte bancaire à Malte ca va t'aider? Si tu es eligible etredevable d'un impot, ils s'en foutent que t'encaissent les plus value en France ou ailleurs. En plus si tu as un domicile la bas c'est que tu es un Maltais, donc la question ne se pose plus. Acheter des biens et des services en brouillant les pistes pour quoi faire? T'as le droit d'acheter des trucs et payer comme tu veux. Ils vont pas te demander pourquoi tu as acheté un téléphone ou je ne sais quoi. |
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$100k or $800k doesn't matter a lot to me. I want facts, give me some substances, give me BTC/USD $40k at least...:p If you tell me Bitcoin will hit 1 million in 2075, I won't be alive anymore, who cares, Am I going to wait until I die? I would rather sell everything when it touches $200k.
I have plans IRL like everyone, to be a property owner and stuff like that you know. So at a time, I will sell no matter the price
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From where you got that? Paypal is heavily regulated like any other payment processor, but Paypal is pro active and well above all others. Paypal will never implement Bitcoin in its system. Why including something 'pseudo-anonymous' while their motto is strongly avoiding, money laundering and so on. Maybe a 3rd Party will use Paypal (like Coinbase tried) but not vice versa
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Since that mixing bitcoins is not yet illegal in any country in the world, I wonder if this is a worrying precedent and what will happen to those who have used this mixer for privacy reasons, to test it or for any other legitimate reason. surely many transactions transited on bestmixer were also legitimate. That message left at the bottom of the site (YOU ARE NOT ANONYMOUS) seems almost a sort of threat. They must clearly say what they are going to do with the data or if they intend to prosecute all the users who have used it. Privacy is still a right or am I wrong?
It would take them too much time for analyzing all TXs and the ROI doesn't worth. What was important to them was to stop a platform with a potential ML activity. Imagine the time to spend to check many things to finally figure out it's a $100 transaction used to pay a whore because he didn't want his wife know it. Perhaps they will filter to find anything above $1 million in value but the rest can be forgotten. |
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Well, destroying USD was the plan when creating EUR.
EUR is taking about 2% yearly from the market, but at this rate, we need again maybe 20 years to get USD replaced. Unless something geo-politic happens, like US vs IRAN for example...
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Do you remember the site BTCJam? Why do you think the site failed? Because people weren't paying their due back. What lenders have been able to do? Nothing
IRL, it will be almost the same thing. you ask collateral, you will still lose money if the person doesn't repay. You can say to go injustice, you will still lose money with the cost to go in court.
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Never heard about it but just another one to the list. What's good is when the platforms decide to cover the losses for their clients. They could say, we got hacked, nothing to be done, the site is closed. The amount is small here but some have been bigger than that. By refunding at least it helps somehow to avoid getting a dirtier image about cryptos. Exchanges are so riches that they can refund millions
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I'm using Kraken for SEPA transfers in EURO, not a single problem so far. Like with Bitonic, SEPA transfers take 24 or less. If you request before 11.00 am you get it at 6.00 pm. And I know a lot of EU citizens also use Kraken for convenience. Too bad I'm KYC verified with Kraken otherwise I would switch 100% with Bitonic.
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8000$ c'est pas un crash, c'est une correction, et elle est pas difficile à voir venir. C'est pas non plus difficile de voir que ca va pas durer et la reprise viendra. Y'en a beacoup qui parle du halving mais cette montée n'a rien a voir. Je sais plus qui parlait d'un ATH à 120 000$. C'est faisable, mais dans le meilleur des cas, je me suis basé sur 80 000$.
Donc tu ne take pas profit avant 80k? Non, je pense commencer lorsque que ca touchera les 40 ou 50k$, même si à ce moment là, je suis encore sure qu'il montera. C'est que je suis pas un riche à la base et je peux pas me permettre de prendre des risques de riches.  J'ai un projet derriere qui m'interresse et je suis pas loin d'y arriver, sans avoir retour à un credit. Donc dans l'ideal je commencerai à vendre une partie, si je le vois ensuite à 80k, j'en revendrai encore une partie et je garderai un petit pourcentage, c'est tout. |
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Decret applicable à partir de Janvier l'année prochaine, c'est ce que nous disions. Montre moi une seule personne qui a déclarer des comptes type Kraken, ou montre moi une personne qui s'est fait pénalisé pour ne pas l'avoir fait
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De même, si c'était quelque chose d'établi, clair et net depuis longtemps, comment explique tu que lorsqu'on leur téléphone ils ne savaient même pas ce qu'etait une crypto monnaie et encore moins Bitcoin. C'était même pas réguler. Pour certains sur ce forum ils leur a fallu même un RDV aux impots... pour au final se voir dire qu'il n'y a personne de compétent pour répondre... C'est même le mec qui lui a appris la legislation à la personne des impots.... Et c'était y'a pas si longtemps...
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I will be always surprised to see people still using this site. With all the alternatives around why people go to this one? ...
Can you tell me from where did you hear people praising Yobit? It would be the first time in my life because I have always seen people complaining, here and out here. This exchange is well known as one of the worst. The fact we don't know who's behind doesn't matter. There are a lot of services and even some cryptos that we don't know who is behind, yet it's a popular one |
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