Of course, in sales, you go for the BIG goal. That way you just might get something.

One of the things that Bitcoin did was, it gave us a breather. At least those of us in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom. Here's what I mean.

It has ALWAYS been the intent of some people to control and regulate all the rest of us. They use government to do it as much as they can. But consider. If they could have made us all slaves, they would have done it long ago. And they have, in some ways.

Bitcoin is something that they didn't expect. Bitcoin is a contingency that they didn't plan for. Bitcoin is a quirk that is causing THEM to have to do more of the ONE MAJOR THING that they have been doing all along to control us. This thing is to make us think that they have the right to regulate us. Notice, I said regulate US. Not regulate Bitcoin.

It isn't Bitcoin that they have to regulate. It is US that they have to regulate if they want the control and the centralization. They are using what they call Bitcoin regulation to take our focus off the ways that they are regulating US. They are doing it by keeping our focus on these so called Bitcoin regulation ideas and attempts.

I'm telling you, if you want to get out from their regulation, if you want to be and remain free, you really need to fill yourselves on the things that Karl Lentz and Richard Cornforth say. You won't understand it overnight, even though it is simple. It's just a concept that most of us have so little training in that it is almost foreign to us. It's called "common law," and the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom are built on it.

Here's your start. Peruse this website: http://voidjudgments.com/.

Then watch and listen to these 3 Richard Cornforth seminar videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MAQEJZbuY&list=PL8EWUTdkthJQjU6nhTTvzcgJjHLRX-TWP.

Finally, fill yourself on everything you can, that Karl Lentz has to say here: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw. Karl is a little difficult to understand. And at times he seems to be ambiguous. But be patient, and take the time that it takes to understand what he is getting at in these audios. Then look him up wherever else you can find him.

Bitcoin and centralization or decentralization doesn't mean a thing as long as PEOPLE are under the control of governments, as long as the PEOPLE are not free, as long as the people are stupid enough to remain unenlightened about the fact that it is THEY that are centralized.

Volatility? The volatility in Bitcoin is apparent and visible to everyone who uses Bitcoin. The volatility of the Dollar is a one-direction volatility. It is a gigantic devaluation volatility. It is cause by things like Quantum Easing.

Common Americans don't see/feel this volatility, because the cash money in QE hasn't been dumped onto the market... yet. It IS, however, making itself felt slightly, in the fact of the recent food price increases.

Regarding the Dollar... continue to use and continue to lose. Wake up to how many ways you are being screwed by the bankers and the whole financial regulatory system. Get up and get out while you can.

The disadvantage in Bitcoin is that the Internet system may collapse along with the coming collapse of the Dollar. So, be smart, and put some of your money into silver - bags of old silver coins (pre-1984 dimes, quarters and halves) along with bars and Silver Eagles. Also, keep a box full of $ones, because they will be handy immediately following the crash, simply for living on.

GET YOUR FUNDS OUT OF THE BANKS!

Look at it this way. What if you are walking down the sidewalk in a big city like New York or Chicago. And what if you have a paper bag with $10,000 in it. And let's say that you need to stash the cash fast for some reason. Do you simply hand it off to the nearest stranger? You might in the movies. But in real life it doesn't happen that way often. Not if you ever want to see that money again. Besides, it probably would be hard to find a stranger who would take the money. He would think that it was hot or stolen or something.

In the same way that you are cautious of strangers, be cautious with your Bitcoin transactions.

The banks over the last hundred years have taught us to trust them. Now they are screwing us royally. Just look at all the fraudulent foreclosures in the news. And things seem to be getting worse.

Break free from this tyranny of trust you have gotten yourself into, and take responsibility for your own life. If you don't, the regulators and the banks will continue to screw you, and worse.

It's in the heading.

US Regulatory Compliance

They have such control through US Regulatory Compliance in the banking system, that they are increasing their wealth by leaps and bounds through such things as Quantum Easing. Yet, US Regulatory Compliance keeps us little people from ever receiving the results of all that QE money creation. In fact, things like QE are destroying the value of the dollar faster than ever. Dave Hodges at the Common Sense Show thinks that the big crash is coming within the next 30 days or so. See: http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/07/08/the-gates-of-hell-have-opened-and-the-us-is-being-attacked-and-occupied/.

And now a bunch of naive bitcoiners want US Regulatory Compliance, even if it doesn't have things like whitelists?

The evidence is self-evident. From the Coin Validation site (https://coinvalidation.com/):

US Regulatory Compliance

Coin Validation was founded with the sole intent of addressing the question, "How do Bitcoin businesses achieve regulatory compliance within the United States?" Coin Validation is not an attempt to police Bitcoin. Coin Validation does not intend to create or maintain whitelists or blacklists of Bitcoin addresses or of the coins themselves.

Anybody who wants "US Regulatory Compliance," is someone who is ignorant of what it is. US Regulatory Compliance is banker-controlled democracy. It is slavery. If the bankers could find an easy way to regulate what do in your bedroom, they'ed do it.

If you want "US Regulatory Compliance," it's because you are accepting the bankers' controls so that you can get a payoff from them. You stand to benefit financially from the bankers' controls, to the detriment and harm and enslavement of average, everyday little people. And the end result is that YOU are going to be enslaved, too.

I concur.

From the above:

Democracy has to do with majority rule. Do you really want majority rule? In majority rule, if you are in the 49%, then you are forced to do what the 51% has decided, whether you like it or not. The wealthy like democracy, because they can manipulate the majority.

Bitcoin is not like that. Bitcoin has to do with the true description of anarchy. Bitcoin is freedom for ALL. Bitcoin has to do with, "If you like my form of freedom better - my fork - then use my client." Bitcoin is totally anti-democracy!

Thanks, franky1. I noticed that you constantly use lower case when you use the pronoun "i." Normally, when people use this pronoun referring to themselves, they use the upper case "I." That's exactly what Karl says on his website, http://www.broadmind.org/. Take a look. Karl uses the lower case "i" when speaking about himself. For example, he says,"i : a man; Karl Lentz..." He also writes why he does it this way:

     CAPITALIZE: adj.: Gage Canadian Dictionary 1983 §  4

     1. "To take advantage of - To use to ones own advantage."
 
     john doe: a person who is his own master, (sui juris)

Notice the lack of capitalization of the name "john doe." Doing it this way has legal significance. Look at Karl's website. So, you are doing it correctly.

No matter how anyone defines anything, what counts is what works. Again, the three links to what works:

http://www.broadmind.org/

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html

They really got you kids brainwashed, don't they? Or are you guys part of the movement to keep us in bondage?

I concur. Too bad the math language of man is such a poor interpreter of what natural law is trying to tell us.

Is it a law of nature that people need air to breathe? How about water to drink? Or food to eat? Look at the Declaration of Independence for the United States: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Are the above laws of nature for only a few people here and there? Or are they COMMON among all people?

No government or body invented the common law at its basic foundation. Governments and people may claim that they did, but at best, they adopted the TRUE AND REAL common law. When they add other laws to it, they are making civil law.

As long as people will not base their living and life on the REAL AND TRUE common law, they will continue to be slaves of governments. Bitcoin won't be able to help them much.

If, however, people go back to the TRUE AND REAL common law, governments and banks will fall before them, and Bitcoin will help it happen that way.

Common law, the real common law, has its basis in private property. "I, a man or woman," am my own private property. Property that I own is my own private property. If I, through some agreement/contract, join my property with the property of others, then the contract controls the extent of the private property of all of us in the contract. The ability to contract is my own private property. If I, through some agreement/contract, join my property with the property of others, then the contract controls the extent of privacy regarding the private property of all of us in the contract. Depending on the way the contract is written, and the terms of the contract, the common law is the civil law of the contract. It is common civil law... common because it is civil law that applies to everyone that is bound by the contract.

If I have accidentally, or through stupidity, agreed to and contracted to something, because I have the right to contract, I also have the right to contract out of the contract. In civil law there are words and terms that show that I have the right to do this. Some of it is called "mistake of fact and mistake of law."

Let someone show that they own me or my property. If they can prove that they own me or my property, then they have the right to do with their property as they will. All United States law is against the idea of someone else owning me. It is called involuntary servitude.

If governments take away my right to use my Bitcoin property, or if they steal my bitcoins outright, they are going against the basic common law. If I don't call them to account under common law, then it is my own fault, and I am virtually giving them my property.

If anybody, person or government, wants to force me into something that I have not agreed to, it is called "under threat, duress, and coercion." Even the courts will throw out cases where law enforcement obtained contractual agreement under threat, duress or coercion. REAL and TRUE common law cuts directly to the basis of ALL law... private property, and the harming or damaging of the private property of someone else.

The REAL reason most governments have not outlawed Bitcoin, or at least fought against it vigorously in some way, is that they realize the potential for them to use it for "jihad." One of the biggest countries that thinks this way is the United States. Everybody has heard of CIA slush funds that are used, on occasion, to throw foreign governments into turmoil when they won't follow the dictates of the United States. Now the CIA has a way to hide what they are doing, financially, almost completely. Governments love Bitcoin, even if it gives the common people a little more freedom.

Now it is you who are wrong. It seems that you want to almost skirt the point. The point is, listen to Karl. See the successes he and others have been having. Consider that it is only since the 1950s or so that the attorney and judicial systems have become bloated, the reason being that they have convinced or coerced the people out from under common law into civil law. The true, basic, original common law isn't dead. It is simply almost empty of users.

Consider a group of families living in a community, without any formal government system. They are simply living in close proximity to one another. The law is simple for them. It is: harm nobody; damage the property of nobody else; live up to your agreements; if you accidentally damage someone in some way, whether you know it or not, when you become aware of it, make it right. That's it! There is nothing else... at least not until the people as a group agree on something else. But then it starts to become civil law. The common law that we mainly exercise in the United States is really civil common law. It is a form of common law that has been adopted by the civil law government, to look like common law when it really is NOT, so that the government can craftily drag the people out from under the REAL common law, and turn the country into a civil law nation.

Believe what you want. But do yourself a favor and listen to the audios at the three links for Karl, the links in my post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677338.msg7716631#msg7716631.

Thank you for responding, however. Even though you are trying to throw some bad light on the REAL common law by advocating that I am wrong about it, your posts are keeping this topic near the top of the forum, where lots more people will get a chance to view it. Some of them will use Karl's info to beat the "system."

Common law is essentially tradition, and usually local tradition. Its greatest formal example is in the Maxims of Law, which can be found in many places on the Internet, such as http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/bouvier/maxims.shtml.

Common law is also a term that has been codified into a separate thing from the original common law. It includes the results of court cases. However, to use the codified common law, one must step out of the original common law, except when he uses the examples of codified common law without the citations or references to it the "argument" he uses.

This isn't my idea. The three websites I listed in my https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677338.msg7716631#msg7716631 post, describe how Karl Lentz is helping people all over the place fight in the courts outside of the government "system," using original common law, within the basic 3 areas of original common law:
1. Harm nobody;
2. Don't damage any property that is not yours;
3. Fulfill your contractual obligations.

Nobody is expected to understand this if he/she has been in court. The more a person has been in court, the harder it will be for him/her to understand this. It took Karl 9 years of constant legal study, and a lot of coaching by members of the legal community, plus a bunch of special circumstances, to find out this important, almost completely hidden, truth.

The thing that is destroying the freedom of people is the fact that they are unfamiliar with the ways to understand and use original, non-governmental common law. If the people were completely using original common law, there would be no need for attorneys, government would be tiny, we wouldn't have the U.S. interfering in the affairs of all kinds of other countries, there wouldn't be any such thing as income taxes or central banks, and people would rule as REAL, LITERAL kings and queens on their own land.

Listen to the way Karl says it in the websites in my post above. Check the law out. Realize that codes are not law except that a person agrees that they are law for him (Often a person says things to government and in court that let the court treat him/her as though he/she were under the jurisdiction of the court, and the person doesn't even know that he/she said such.). Get out from under the thumb of government and the banks. Let Bitcoin thrive.

Probably the most important words in this topic are "code as Law." Here's why.

The United States, Canada and Britain, along with Australia, are common law nations. The CODE is not computer program scripting. Rather, it is the so-called laws that are made by governments. We need to learn that government laws are not laws. Rather, they are code. Try untangling government legal codes some time. It's harder that reverse engineering a computer script.

IF A PERSON IN A COMMON LAW COUNTRY HAS NOT CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO THE CODES OF A GOVERNMENT, THEN THE CODE DOES NOT APPLY TO HIM AS A LAW.

So, why is it that we have to obey the laws of the country or the State? It's because government tricks us into make agreements with them through the words we use and the government papers we sign without understanding. For example. If you ever used an attorney for something, did you know that an attorney is an officer of the court? Did you know that the attorney's first obligation is to the court and not to you? If the judge says jump, the attorney needs to jump, and maybe on the way up ask, "How high?" The attorney's last obligation is to you.

Under common law, if you haven't entered into agreements with government by what you have said or signed, the only laws you are obligated to obey are:
1. Harm nobody;
2. Don't damage any property that is not yours;
3. Fulfill your contractual obligations.
That's it, PERIOD. The courts get you through #3. NOTE: If you are incorporated with a corporation, you are in contract with government who gave you permission to incorporate.

If you are interested in getting out from under all the thumbs of the government's non-law codes - like traffic tickets, and income taxes, and whatever the requirement government may have laid on you - and if you want to make a lot of money off of government at the same time, listen to the audios and the videos on the following three websites. If you have a situation, contact Karl.

http://www.broadmind.org/

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html

There is a lot of "wasted" time and space on those audios and videos before you get to the nuggets of gold, but be patient. The rewards are great. They have to do with getting governments off our back so that we can use Bitcoin to get the banks out of our finances.

C'mon. we need a funds transfer system that is controlled by the market rather than by some group. Don't we have enough fiats and controllers already?

The blockchain is great.

Time to make a Bitcoin-like wallet transfer system for payments, rather than paying for things with bitcoins themselves. What I mean is this:

1. Make yourself 100,000 wallets.
2. Place a small amount of bitcoins - like 0.0001 - in each.
3. Transfer the wallets between folks using a yet-to-be-invented Wallet Transfer Protocol.

This makes a whole new kind of blockchain. The original one changes/grows less rapidly. Anonymity is increased.

Make another, additional protocol, additional to the one mentioned above, for handling groups of wallets. In other words, a wallet wallet. That is, a wallet that holds many multiple wallets that hold the bitcoins. Then transfer THAT wallet through this second protocol. Soon the wallet wallet idea will be the bitcoin thing, and people will forget all about bitcoins... something like you don't think about binary in a computer, but rather about some programming language that rides a bunch of layers above binary. Yet, binary is the foundation for all of it.

When are people going to wake up to the fact that making something legal is always an attempt to control it.

In the United States, all the rights that are not spelled out for government to do are reserved for the States and the people. In other words, Bitcoin and anything else is legal without government doing anything.

The thing that isn't legal is people harming other people or damaging their property. People can harm others with Bitcoin, guns, fists, cars, and a million other ways.

So, do you see what I just said? Attempting to legalize Bitcoin or anything is is simply a way for GOVERNMENT to harm and damage people. It's a way for one group of people to harm another group.

Bitcoin legalization won't work. Why not? It may look like it is working, but then the devs - or somebody - will turn it into something that is impossible for government to control.

Remember, legalization is a trick to make you think that you need to be under someone else's control.