Remember a week or so ago, when lots of folks were receiving a single satoshi into their wallets? It was the NSA conducting trials on some special hacking algorithms to see if such a thing couldn't be accomplished indirectly. The idea was to send every bitcoin address in the blockchain a single satoshi in such a way that would make record keeping and tracking ponderously enormous. Just a test by the NSA to test their own abilities. After all, what's the significance of a source if it goes everywhere?

Or, you could be like the NSA. You could use the essentially limitless funds of the global bankers - via the U.S. borrowing system that maintains its status for borrowing from the banks because of the promise to repay through the IRS taxes of the people - to build a cubic mile or two of communications and computer equipment, including hard drives.

Then all you need to do is record and correlate all Internet communications, single out the ones that occur simultaneously with Bitcoin transactions showing up in the blockchain, and attach those to the correct ISP. This will, at least, give you the ISPs info about the bitcoin thief. If it is important to you, you might even locate his electronic position and hack his computer. If he has protected himself sufficiently from hacking, you will always be able to get a general, if not exact, physical location. You can send in your CIA comrades if he is foreign - former KGB if he is in Russian states - or the FBI if he is local (U.S.).

In doing this there is always the time lag in the gigantic NSA communications. But, currently communications worldwide are not sufficiently large to make this into much of a problem. As communications grow, as people use the Internet more and more, as more countries come online, the NSA will, of course, also be updating their abilities with the latest technology. And if they can get the first practical quantum computers that are built, they might actually be able to entirely control and reroute all communications without anyone knowing it. Actually, they are on the verge of doing this in some countries (the U.S.) now.

Next, taking over the world by coup. The NSA, the new world government. I wonder who really runs the NSA.

How clever of you, JTP, faking like I owe you some bitcoins, just to flush me, I mean him, out! 

As fast as the "they" are trying to take freedom down, the "we" are finding out new ways to be free. Bitcoin is gradually working its kinks out and finding more and more acceptance. Lyndon LaRouche is in the process of setting up impeachment of Obama - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/impeach-obama-campaign - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWb3AKKfme0.

There is a lot of trouble governments can make for people, but if they take the people down, they destroy themselves. After all, it is the people that support them, physically, through their labor. If governments try to make the people THINK that hey have more freedom than they have... the people are starting to see through it.

NSA spying is mostly there to keep an eye on the people so that the Super-rich Elite can try to figure out what kinds of moves to make to keep the people in bondage to them.

If Bitcoin dies, it will be because it is replaced by something a whole lot better, and a whole lot freer, if you can imagine something like that.

If this were the corner store up the block, and I went there to get some milk and a candy bar, and I handed over my money, but the clerk wouldn't let me have my purchases, I'd be ticked. This isn't that. This is a thing that took MtGox down because they weren't careful enough.

I don't know what MPT is doing. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if he reopened his site on Tor. He is probably learning how to configure his server right now, from the nice hackers at Agora. He's probably getting set up with offshore hosting, and offshore backup hosting in a second, different location. If this is what he is doing, it will take a while. Look at the growing pains Bitcoin Fog has had.

I expect that MPT will be back with a vengeance. But since I don't know it, all I can do is hope and be patient, like all the rest of us.

Well, since you are not a villain, and since you only care about getting your money back, why did you even start this comment thread?
We all know from MoneypakTrader's posts that he doesn't take kindly to bad words posted against him here in this thread. We can see from the past that he has taken longer to respond when he is treated badly.

I can understand your frustration. I am hesitant and a little apprehensive when having to trust others with my money, as well. But, you do see what you are doing, don't you, if only by accident? You are alienating MPT from yourself by posting this string of comments. And from his history, alienating him from a person doesn't help to get that person his money back fast.

I can understand that you might have missed this line of thinking. But all of us who are doing business with MPT want him to succeed so that we can have success as well.

You are the only one who can take it from here, for yourself. But please don't drive him away from us all. He realizes that the only way he can be profitable is to make us all profitable. And he is pretty capable when it comes to this. Relax, follow the instructions, and be patient. Because if he truly fails, he will be taking more than only YOUR coins down with him. He'll be hurting many of us. Support him so that this doesn't happen.

Thanks.

How does a government completely go about blocking trade? In a person's home, between spouses and children, there are constantly trade-offs. "If you don't take your turn doing the dishes, find your own supper tonight." So, trade is constantly going on without the dong.

The only thing for the government to do is to take away all computers and smartphones, and move the country back into the dark ages forms of slavery. The people might not let them do this, especially if MaidSafe comes of age.

I lost almost $400 recently, through money transfers to digital currency companies. Not much in the scheme of things. But it teaches me to keep my eyes and ears open, to transfer in small amounts, and to trust that my trust might be misplaced. In addition, there are always mistakes and accidents.

Will the MtGox bitcoins ever be returned? Who knows? Sure, the bitcoins are still there. If they are returned sometime, it will change a lot of peoples' minds about the honesty of certain bitcoin dealers.

One thing we DO know, our income tax money will never be returned. Banking fees will never be returned. Our money and property loss through inflation will never be returned.

It's time that we start making Bitcoin do the thing that it was supposed to do in the first place. Become a P2P medium of exchange rather than an investment vehicle.

So, now you are essentially saying that the whole idea behind your comments here was NOT to get your coins back, that you really don't care a lot if you get your coins back or not, but that you essentially are here to badmouth him. And it seems that you want to badmouth anyone who talks about having done good business with him. How interesting.

If we ALL took some responsibility for our lives, nobody else would have to.

It takes a very alert person to combine all the points of OP, and come out with a correct picture. There are other things that might come about that will completely throw this whole scenario out the window. One of these things might be MaidSafe, or something like it. There are, also, acts of nature - it seems that portions of the world (Brazil) are in deep drought right now. Even U.S. crops are failing somewhat.

Time to follow Edward Snowden. Or else a non-extradition country, like North Korea.

It is already mostly developed - http://maidsafe.net/. Of course, anyone can develop it again.

Decentralized exchanges??? Isn't that what P2P is? In other words, all exchanges that involve only two parties, or at the most a third for escrow, are what the essence of decentralized exchanges really are. Bitcoin is, by its nature, decentralized. Why are we trying to corrupt it with Exchanges? And then, why do we cry when our corruption hurts us?

"The BIGGEST danger to all of us from the MtGox crash is, the litigation that will follow. Governments like to look like they are protecting us. They do it so that they can make laws to regulate us. What they really want is to steal from us in the form of taxes, even though they might call these taxes regulation fees - licensing."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488672.msg5388775#msg5388775

It is the nature of things that when they get hurt, they heal. Wounds heal. Sometimes you lose a finger, or an arm, or a leg, but it heals. Life might be more difficult, but it heals and we go on.

Regarding Bitcoin, the people need to take responsibility for their lives. Bitcoin doesn't only offer a certain amount of freedom from banks and taxes, it also presents the thing that goes along with freedom - responsibility for your life.

If you were left alone, out in the wilderness, to fend for yourself, without any of the modern conveniences, you would be very free. Yet, if you didn't think about where you would get your next cup of water, or your next meal, you might not live very long. The crash of MtGox is starting to show us that we need to take responsibility for our own lives in the freedom that we know as BITCOIN. We can't depend on others to always come through for us.

The BIGGEST danger to all of us from the MtGox crash is, the litigation that will follow. Governments like to look like they are protecting us. They do it so that they can make laws to regulate us. What they really want is to steal from us in the form of taxes, even though they might call these taxes regulation fees - licensing.

But, this is life, right? We are always being hounded by someone or something, from birth to the grave. Youtube search on the words "Memory_of_the_Camps" to see what will happen if we don't stand up and take responsibility for our own lives. It will be the same with Bitcoin. Do you really think that the Bitcoin founders and Satoshi did it all because they loved us?

How many things are there that can destroy Bitcoin?

Cracking the blockchain encryption would be one.

The Internet entirely shutting down.

The power grid entirely shutting down.

People losing interest would be one, but that is unlikely, at least until something better comes along.

Governments might make it difficult. But they won't be able to stop it. However, take a look at the troubles going on in Venezuela right now. Their government has virtually turned off electronic communication.

We need to figure out methods to bypass all of these major items. Some of them might seem unsurmountable. But they probably are not. It will simply take a lot of work, much of which has already been done in the Bitcoin and PGP thinking and programming.

All I can say is, I have had good business workings with him. I haven't done a lot of business, and really no big business, but I have worked with him several times, and it worked well for me.

Some of the things he is doing might fall under the classification of U.S. money laundering laws. He has to be very careful. For example, I was on Torchat with him one day, and I requested a Moneypak. Things were going along well, and then I logged into the MPT.com website using Tor. Suddenly he was gone off Torchat. Yet, when I requested a refund of unexchanged bitcoins, using the standard method on MoneypakTrader.com, and then posted my request in this forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133439.msg5169875#msg5169875) my refund was done in a couple days.

Maybe all it takes is to follow standard channels, and then wait for him to get around to it. Throwing a negative light on his business doesn't keep him as friendly.

I know, we are used to "I want it now." But with the things MPT is doing, he spells out that it might take a few days, or even a few weeks.

What will happen in the future? Will he get shut down somehow? Will he need to leave the Bitcoin operation because of persecution by governments? Who knows? But up until now he has always done good by me. Am I the only one?

People should use Bitcoin for what it was meant to be used for, trading, not investing.

The Internet may not last. The electrical grid may not last. If they fail, Bitcoin will probably fail as well.

What we need for the Internet and the power grid is something like Bitcoin, something with no central control. Has anyone seen something practical along these lines?

The way to make Bitcoin super-practical is to combine it with MaidSafe - http://maidsafe.net/ - or something like MaidSafe.

Now, I am not really promoting MaidSafe. I only mention it so that everyone has an opportunity to take a look. If it works, it'll be great. But nothing will work if communications and/or the power grid come down.