Who knows for sure about Satoshi? But consider. Anyone smart enough to start something like Bitcoin, and a person who also did it, is smart enough to know the kinds of repercussions to the world banking systems that he might have started, doing what he did - Bitcoin. If he didn't understand the potential shock-wave, and the far-reaching effects his Bitcoin might have on the world, he probably wouldn't have been smart enough to design, build and implement it.

Odds are that there never really was a Satoshi. There probably was a main mover of a group. The group probably set things up to look like there was a Satoshi. They might have even figured out a climactic end for him so that they will be protected should anyone come close to finding the fact that there was a group.

Personally, I subscribe to the idea that the Satoshi group is part of some wealthy banking group or family that doesn't like the direction that the world banking cartel is steering the world into. What these people have given us is the opportunity to innovate beyond our wildest former expectations. Let's take it and run with it while there is time, before the bankers of the world use it to enslave us entirely, or else to destroy it all.

Bitcoin is simply a practical, working example.

People all over the place are making apps for Android. Loads of people were shown the idea of making web pages, designing digital languages for computer use, and Internet clouds, and look at what we have today. Loads of all of it.

Bitcoin is slightly different. It points people in the direction of freedom in the underlying area of world government. Money and money flow are world government. Bitcoin is a practical, operating IDEA that breaks through all that.

But the most important thing that Bitcoin does is to point people in the directions of a whole new, broad group of options that are available to them. The options can be pointed at enslaving people, or they can be pointed at setting people free.

Look at the United States of America as an example. Back at the formation of the U.S., the people in the Colonies (the States) needed a method for uniting to fight Great Britain. Back then the U.S. was a humble organization that managed to do the thing that it had been created for. Then the people ignored it, and it grew into the monster that it is today. Consider that 100 years ago, 99% of the taxes in today's America were non-existent.

Bitcoin is an innovation that is pointing people into innovative directions that they can use to remove virtually ALL of the slave-making qualities that a few people hold over the many. But it will only be done if the people remain awake, and use what they have been given, rather than ignoring it.

The true gift that Bitcoin gives is the gift of ever-increasing innovation in all kinds of directions. Bitcoin doesn't offer this within itself. It offers it by showing what can be done, and by showing the type of how-to-do-it. And it offers it by showing that virtually anyone, be he/she rich or poor, can do it. Get out there and innovate. Spread freedom in every way so that NO group or government can control you ever again. Apply the idea of innovation that Bitcoin expresses to untold types of operations in life so that you can be free.

BITCOIN IS JUST THE BEGINNING!

Then again, you never hear about strife in the groups that don't have it.

Of course, pay your taxes. It's the religious thing to do as well. But nowhere are you required to be part of any government, either in the religious area, or in the secular areas.

There are ways to not be part of governments or taxes. If you don't have any, you don't owe. The below are just a couple examples of how to make your position stick... maybe.

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/ethereum/

http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/original-oppt-ucc-filings/

Thank you for the info. I'll remember that about the credit unions.

FYI. For whatever it's worth, seems to me that CampBX uses the same support system as BTC-e, or it did in the past.

Current support sites for both:

CampBX = https://support.campbx.com/Tickets/Submit;

BTC-e = http://hdbtce.kayako.com/.

Seems to me that in the past, CampBX had a support address = http://campbx.kayako.com/. Actually, this address is still active as of this post, even though the standard link at CampBX if you don't log in is the other one, above. The current CampBX site listed above, if you go there, still looks something like the Kayako site at their http://campbx.kayako.com/ old address.

I wonder what this means?

PM me with the info.

This is kinda true. Take Hitler for example. He took Germany from being possibly the poorest of industrial nations - a nation that had "lost face" before the world when they lost WWI - to being one of the most powerful in the world. And he did it in just 6 years by kicking the Jews' banking system out.

It took the banking system a long time to recover from the wound that Hitler gave them. If Hitler had been a good guy, if he had not been a bit crazy, killed a whole bunch of innocent people for nothing, he might have become famous and conquered the banking system for real. Of course, we wouldn't have Bitcoin then, because we wouldn't need it.

As it is, the banking system used the United States and Russia to conquer Hitler before he could destroy them. After all, you hear about the holocaust on a regular basis. But you seldom hear about the fact that Stalin might have murdered as many as 10 times more in Russia and surrounding nations than Hitler did. And look at the 55 million of its own citizens the U.S. has killed through abortions!

Yeah. Putin can send his hitmen over here in a minute, and nobody would know.

If Obama wanted to protect America from terrorism, he would arm ALL Americans to the hilt, and train them in how to protect themselves from all terrorists. As it is, what is his real plan?

I wonder if he is worried about Bitcoin throwing a wrench into his operations.

Oh, that's right. Forgot about that. No more governments. Anybody ever try using it in court?

http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/original-oppt-ucc-filings/

Russia has always attempted to control their people. Even before the Bolshevik Revolution, when the Czar still ruled, it was all about control and stealing from the people. The failure when the U.S.S.R. crashed in 1991 is what comes about when a government attempts to apply too much control over the people.

In America, the government has been operating things from the other end. Russia was always from the control freak end, having to go towards the freedom end to keep from being destroyed. The U.S. started way freer than Russia has been, like forever, and so they are testing the waters, to see how far they can go with taking freedom away from Americans.

Both, the United States and Russia are experimenting with constantly changing methods to screw their people. But both governments know that if they don't provide some freedom, they will be screwing themselves, royally. If We The People use Bitcoin the right way, we just might be able to change both governments into a whole lot more freedom, and free the whole world at the same time.

Let's put on our thinking caps and figure out ways to incorporate the freedom of the Bitcoin idea into everything - http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/ethereum/

Would be great if you could add a "mail to the bank" section for smaller banks.

Folks buying and selling bitcoins this way would have to agree that the price would be at the day the deposit made it into the account, or something similar. If you wanted to buy bitcoins from someone selling in the mail-in section, you would download a copy of the bank deposit slip the seller had uploaded to the site. You download, print out, and fill out the deposit slip. You mail the funds to the bank using the bank address provided by the seller.

Banking mail often receives top priority by the postal system, if they see that it is a bank by the address on the envelope. The agreement would be that the funds would buy bitcoins at the going rate of the time that the funds were entered into the account. The bitcoins, of course, would be frozen in escrow.

The best idea would be to send the funds with tracking so that all involved could view the location of the funds at anytime.

Well, just an idea. Details would have to be worked out, and it may not be practical at all.

Report to the police? Be careful about reporting to the police. People have lost valuables, lives of relatives, even their own life when or because of reporting something to the police.

Good points, and I agree with them all.

What is money? Here is what money is, nothing more and nothing less: Money is the stored up labor of the people. In the short term, the act of exchanging money is what causes the various forms of labor to increase or decrease in value with relation to other forms of labor. Money itself is simply stored up labor.

You need to keep an eye on the Bitcoin client when doing transactions. I have caught my client making mistakes. Of course, they could have been my mistakes, or maybe I need a new keyboard or mouse, or a better OS, but the point is to double check everything all the way.

Just a thought. Their support site is the same one CampBX uses.

Again, it isn't always what the people are doing directly. It's what they are trusting the governments to do. Once the governments do what they do, the people will fall in line, if they like it. See my fourth post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438564.new#new, post #11 if nobody deletes any of their posts.

Actually, it is government agencies who are developing conversion aspects of Bitcoin. Right now the CIA, NSA and FBI, along with their counterparts in governments around the world, are developing methods to readily convert bitcoins back and forth between the world currencies. You've heard of government slush fund accounts. What better way for gov agencies to finance slush fund accounts than through Tor and Bitcoin Fog-like conversion houses that you and I know nothing about?

Like the Internet was made practical so that the military could use it, and like Tor was and is backed by the navy, and like we all use the Internet and many of us use Tor, we will be able to use the worldwide, Bitcoin exchange houses that the espionage agencies are setting up around the world.

Good, bad or indifferent, Bitcoin is here to stay.

Basically, they are going to try to adapt Bitcoin into the "system." They don't know how they are going to do it. They will have to rewrite all the banking and money laws from scratch.

Doesn't sound like good news to me. The good news would be to repeal all the laws. Why? Because any laws can be applied against anybody, even the lawmakers. And they take away freedom.

The only thing that should be in place is, laws as warnings and instructions and guides. ALL litigation should be based on harm and damage done by someone against someone else, not on laws.

As for Bitcoin, the good news is that they aren't going to try to shut it down directly.