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4101  Other / Off-topic / Re: theymos, Be Prepared! on: December 28, 2015, 10:42:31 AM

you mean he does the hosting of the board at home?   Shocked
4102  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Dokumentations-Thread zu den Bitcoin-Minern M10 und M20 von Yesminers | ProTact on: December 28, 2015, 10:22:57 AM
EDIT: irgendjemand löscht seine posts, mein letzter ist auf die seite zuvor gerückt.

Truman? Ist aber egal, die Highlights dürften zitiert worden sein.  Wink


eventuell. hat die YESMINERS aus seinem shop genommen wie zuvor schon erwähnt.

habt ihr genug popcorn voräte?  Grin
4103  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Dokumentations-Thread zu den Bitcoin-Minern M10 und M20 von Yesminers | ProTact on: December 28, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
Die Preise sind jetzt auf der HP ohne Rabatte ausgeschrieben. Es sind auch weitere Bilder der Miner dazugekommen. Es tut sich auf jeden Fall etwas.

Bin gespannt, wie es in den nächsten Tagen weitergeht.

na super! neue gehäuse bilder aus zusätzlichen winkel perspektiven und einen eindruck von fortschritt vermitteln indem man die rabatte weglässt.  Grin

Wie ich schon öfters angemerkt habe, von mir bekomme sie eine Chance aber die läuft spätestens Ende Jänner ab... wenn es da noch immer nichts gibt dürfen sie sich über den Spott nicht wundern  Grin

man braucht über die nicht mehr zu diskutieren. es ist alles gesagt. meine persönliche meinung: eine absichtserklärung miner zu liefern ohne konkrete informationen wie man zu diesem ziel kommt. über die mutmasslichen intentionen dafür lasse ich mich nicht aus.

EDIT: irgendjemand löscht seine posts, mein letzter ist auf die seite zuvor gerückt.
4104  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Dokumentations-Thread zu den Bitcoin-Minern M10 und M20 von Yesminers | ProTact on: December 28, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
Die Preise sind jetzt auf der HP ohne Rabatte ausgeschrieben. Es sind auch weitere Bilder der Miner dazugekommen. Es tut sich auf jeden Fall etwas.

Bin gespannt, wie es in den nächsten Tagen weitergeht.

na super! neue gehäuse bilder aus zusätzlichen winkel perspektiven und einen eindruck von fortschritt vermitteln indem man die rabatte weglässt.  Grin
4105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 27, 2015, 04:18:11 PM
what is the reward if you go public?

What do you mean by this? Could you explain further?

is the Genesis block of your MainNet minted already? if yes what is your block height currently and the actual block reward?


4106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 27, 2015, 01:40:34 PM
If the coin works premine is not a big problem, but if it doesn't then this can dump the market and broke the coin to 1 sato, let 's hope this one will work

It goes against the self-interest of the devs to dump anything - since that would hurt the project and therefore any future dev they do on it. So the first 4% is secure. The second is distributed amongst the community, so the dumps will be much smaller if they occur. No different to what miners will accumulate. Hard to give any guarantees, since it's all based on a rational actor model, but in theory it checks out.

what is the reward if you go public?
4107  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Verdopplung des Netzwerks in Kürze +19.8 TH/s KAWOOOOOOOM on: December 27, 2015, 12:37:50 PM
ShaBOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJAAAAAAAAAAAA! 950Ph/s


http://up.picr.de/24091824xi.jpg

mein obiges Post ist wohl etwas zu pessimistisch  Grin

YESMINERS!! ich hab's gewusst!

oder die BitcoinBrothers! oder beide!
4108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 27, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Also exact starting reward is 31.13408239.

so they mine for themselve since about 3 years?  Shocked

are the figures above correct?

Code:
Year	Coin supply	Inflation
1 470426769731536 180.015934364
2 725516828588937 54.2252429646
3 940676990098927 29.6561227847
4 1122157371491044 19.2925290299
5 1275229809050507 13.6409064761
6 1404340975270235 10.1245411065
7 1513241532111717 7.75456664437
8 1605095069693740 6.06998523586
9 1682569994083979 4.82681218409
10 1747913757492611 3.88356880477
11 1803028628435353 3.15318022451
12 1849516235066977 2.578306628
13 1888726978324850 2.12005401815
14 1921799891692961 1.75106904003
15 1949695723833590 1.45154718039
16 1973224843465019 1.20680982903
17 1993070776474089 1.00576135937
18 2009810059460965 0.839873986637
19 2023928395353035 0.702471152715
20 2035836535103161 0.588367640746
4109  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Testnet block height 627810 (port 18333) on: December 26, 2015, 11:05:49 PM
The diff on testnet resets if there was no block found after 20 minutes. Thus the difficulty stays low and testnet miners find more blocks than mainnet miners.

Pretty much. The difficulty on the testnet is much lower than the mainnet, and it resets back to the minimum if no block was found in some time. I think a couple months ago someone was mining tons of testnet blocks trying to push it to go past the second halving for some reason.

thank you!
4110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 26, 2015, 10:38:12 PM
Am I correct in figuring that the airdrop to a max 5,000 folks equates to $82.32 USD each?

don't know how they will set a price of $0.49 on a free market. but yes this are my figures too.
4111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 26, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Finally a serious hybrid altcoin project without an ICO/crowdfunding scam attached.
I looked into the website and wiki, but didn't find the detailed emission specifications. Is that information available yet?

Looking forward to the launch!   

it's premined. guess they mine for themselve since some months.
4112  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Bitcoin Testnet block height 627810 (port 18333) on: December 26, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
Why is the block height 627810 on the Bitcoin Testnet? Are there information out how and why this happened?

This block height is far ahead to the Mainnet block height.

EDIT: maybe someone put large hash power on the testnet3 and solve a lot of blocks in no time before a diff adjustement happened?
4113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 23, 2015, 08:43:27 PM
if I understand it right you guys don't want to establish an another altcoin in the first line but want to add value to the development of Bitcoin if you still maintain the "Btcsuite" and improve the development of "Btcsuite" thru "Decred" in a practical way. is this right?

and for shure you have the same issue as the Core Developers have. your work has to be funded and you need something for living.

is the word "Degred" a made-up word of "decrease" and "greed"?

Funding:
There are basically three models we've seen in most free and open-source projects that want to remain sustainable (continue development over time). In these, funding comes from:

  • Donation-type efforts, or hoping for goodwill
  • Some type of initial offering, or selling influence to insiders
  • Some external party, or selling influence to outsiders

Nobody here will tell you Decred is going to fix your world. Anyone who tells you that is a false prophet. What we can tell you, unequivocally, is that Decred is a project that will attempt to introduce a fourth option to counter the corruptive influence of funding we've seen destroy a lot of good ideas that started in an earnest way. By writing funding into a consensus rule, Decred attempts to put power back in the hands of its users. Some people will stop reading here and say it's a terrible idea. Others will come along on the journey and see where it goes. The fact remains, if the network dislikes the direction development takes, they now have a direct voice to communicate that - stop mining and staking and the funding stops. That's the fourth option.

All the other options we've seen are suboptimal. Donation-type efforts are limited in scale. Selling air to you saying it'll be worth something "if you just trust us" is sick. And finally, Decred won't accept a situation where it's owned by a handful of corporations astroturfing the community and manufacturing consent in its name. By putting funding into the hands of users, Decred attempts a representative democratic model where nobody owns it. Decred isn't for sale - and you can't inquire within about sale. And if anyone messes with that in the future, scream from the hilltops and burn the whole damn thing to the ground - it's our duty as a community.

btcsuite:
btcsuite has been funded by a single guy, relatively unknown, who is crazy about freedom. There's no selling and no venture capital. There have been attempts to buy influence, and they have been chased away. Bear in mind btcsuite is the backbone of a great number of Bitcoin businesses and organisations now. There isn't a number because many close off their code - so we don't know. You may be interested to know that Ethereum's most popular client (geth) is based on btcd, for example. The point is btcsuite is high quality software written in public view over years. That is what you will see from Decred from a development perspective - you need not look further than btcsuite's history.

That type of situation is obviously quite unique. A single source of philanthropic funding is both rare and a problem for a project like Decred. It's been sustained fine for a project like btcsuite, but Decred intends to build a multi-stakeholder development environment where anyone can come contribute and be rewarded for their work fairly when it becomes part of the codebase. 100% of funding goes to the benefit of Decred's development - in full view of the public. So funding isn't going to go to btcsuite as a separate project unless that code clearly and directly benefits Decred, goes into its codebase, and is part of a Decred feature. It's clear now how that can be confusing - what we mean is actual code contributions accepted into Decred's codebase will go to btcsuite too if it's applicable. Similarly, Decred gets free contribution from btcsuite where applicable. So the symbiotic relationship between the two is based on code, not funding, aside from the fact Decred gets free code from btcsuite's ongoing work. The word applicable is used because they're different systems and Bitcoin is more constrictive on what it can accept - chances of a hybrid PoW/PoS change are 0.

As for Decred, the community is beholden only to itself. If someone (person or organisation) wants to build a feature put up as a development proposal, and there's sufficient support from the community, it can built by that party, reviewed, merged, and becomes part of Decred's codebase. c0, for example, is a competent development stakeholder interested in continuing work on Decred, so it'll be doing work for Decred as a team. They don't own it, and anyone can be a development stakeholder if they are good - that's the meritocratic element of the system.

still not clear about the goals. seems to me to test a new way of consensus determination thru an altcoin.

I miss the path back to influence the BitcoinCore development.

why did you limited your block size to 1MB too? let it be unlimited and we can watch how the situation will evolve. the deflation time of your coin is very suitable to get a glue how the future of Bitcoin will look like.
4114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 23, 2015, 04:24:19 PM
ohh, will Decred become Bitcoin 2.0 ? watching with full attention.

At very least Decred will enter into a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship with Bitcoin. That's the goal. Improvements in one will feed into the other (where possible). Development has a lot more freedom in Decred because it's new, so there's room for innovative ideas and experimentation. Hopefully a foundation can be built where it can be kept that way - that's the other goal.

if I understand it right you guys don't want to establish an another altcoin in the first line but want to add value to the development of Bitcoin if you still maintain the "Btcsuite" and improve the development of "Btcsuite" thru "Decred" in a practical way. is this right?

and for shure you have the same issue as the Core Developers have. your work has to be funded and you need something for living.

is the word "Degred" a made-up word of "decrease" and "greed"?
4115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: December 23, 2015, 01:07:02 AM
ohh, will Decred become Bitcoin 2.0 ? watching with full attention.
4116  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Which Bitcoin full node implementations does exist? on: December 23, 2015, 12:17:39 AM
I'd like to get an overview which Bitcoin full node implementations does exist?

We have the Monster "BitcoinCore", the smart "Btcsuite" and the ugly (full node) "bitcoinj".

What does we have in addition?
4117  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: December 22, 2015, 11:22:04 PM
ich glaube den Blockchain welchen sie kreieren werden sie für interne zwecke einsätzen, damit eben nicht jeder ihre geheimnisse sehen kann.

eine anderer user schrieb: du da stimme ich zu, "alle banken müssten sich auf einen chain einigen um transaktion unter einander auszuführen können, das ist wohl sehr unwahrscheinlich, denn es sind konkurrenten!"

der btc chain ist für sie kostenlos und sicher durch seine dezentralität vor angriffen und verfälschungen! ausserdem ist er kostenlos so wie die transakationen nahe zu... um solch ein chain zu errichten bräuchte sie massiv energieleistung, plus verwaltungskosten und wartung. die einsparung bezüglich ihre aktuellen rechenzentren wäre also nahe zu null!
warum sollte sie das tun, genau hier können sie massiv geld einsparen!


jetzt sollte er günstig sein, verkauf wurde provoziert, die bullen sammeln ein, 440 ist ein guter preis denke ich, hier haben sie schon maehr mals gekauft... hab aber kein chart also wartet auf den anstieg in die richtung

das ASK leert sich, nicht verarschen lassen Wink der geht nicht weiter runter

vllt kann @bennana  mal schauen wenn er zeit hat

Ein verlockender Gedanke! Die banken nutzten die BTC Chain. ...Zu schön um wahr zu sein. Das würden die schon aus Stolz nicht machen. Und wer will denn wirklich ein System welches sich nicht
manipulieren lässt?

den banken sind zwei gründe vorangig wichtig:

ein non-public ledger und stabilität und vorhersagbarkeit der entwicklung. beides ist bei Bitcoin (momentan, was den zweiten punkt betrifft) nicht gegeben. deshalb wird es nicht von banken in der form adaptiert werden. sie forken eventuell den code und machen eine private blockchain daraus. warum sollten sie angriffe auf das netzwerk risikieren wenn sie es unter verschluss halten können. auserdem vermeiden sie damit data mining auf der blockchain.

man kann echt froh sein dass diejenigen welche bei Bitcoin verantwortung tragen so mega vorsichtig und konservativ sind. sonst wäre das system eventuell schon längst historie. diejenigen welche die voraussetzungen haben tiefer in die materie einzusteigen sollten es tun und sie werden sehen wie "jung" dieses ganze system noch ist. der wechselkurs ist viel zu hoch für das was momentan verfügbar ist in allen bereichen der betrachtung. das system ist noch sehr unfertig. beta 0.11.2 impliziert sie könnten bis 0.99.9 gehen bis zum ersten non-beta release?

EDIT: jetzt lese ich erst den quatsch weiter oben: natürlich werden sie im interbankenmarkt eine gemeinsame interne blockchain aufbauen welche sie unter ihren vollen kontrolle haben. es spielt keine rolle ob sie konkurrenten sie erreichen dadurch WIN-WIN situationen und deshalb wurde ja auch schon ein konsortium gebildet.

EDIT2: ich denke wir sind an einem punkt angekommen wo man sagen kann, dass die ursprüngliche vision (individuelle freiheit vor bequemlichkeit und sicherheitsstreben) von satoshi makulatur ist (wenn man annimmt satoshi ist tatsächlich ein idealist (gewesen)). leider kommt die menschliche natur nicht hinterher, einzelne idealisten schon aber nicht die mehrheit. dafür ist sie zu bequem und zu sehr auf sicherheit bedacht. es ist weiterhin ein experiment und satoshi hat sich schlauerweise in der phase verabschiedet wo die probleme noch klein waren.

Bitcoin, die Wette auf die Zukunft! Auch noch nach 6 7 Jahren Existenz.  Wink
4118  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe on: December 21, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
is this the press release? http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151216005453/en/BitFury-Announces-Mass-Production-Fastest-Effective-16nm

and this the sales site? http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/
4119  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe on: December 18, 2015, 12:19:56 AM
But in the same time first unit did an excellent ROI.
My 25 GHS starter kit delivered 1-st of Sept 2013 made 4-5 times ROI by the end of the year
Smiley
Also bought some chips and used assembly service for them 1-st gen
Got 3-4 times ROI

So  in fact all my bitfury based gear made ROI
Quite different times when ASICs fist came out back then, but that is good to hear they ROI'd so fast the first go round!

I think the only reason he "ROI'd" is because of the run up in Nov 2013.  He would have likely done waaaaayy better buying BTC In Sept and holding.

about 120$ one bitcoin in the beginning of September 2013.
4120  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: MtGox geht in Konkurs on: December 17, 2015, 10:26:36 AM
^^diese tainting diskussion ist sinnlos. tainting wäre der tod von Bitcoin. aktives tainting darf nicht kommen. passives tainting in form von blockchain analyse existiert jetzt schon. es gilt massnahmen zu entwickeln um das passive tainting zu erschweren.
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