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4101  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What could make you get into a fight with your fellow gambler? on: July 15, 2023, 01:19:23 PM
~snip~

I think that we should separate these two concepts - friendship and money. You can drink beer with a friend, go out, have fun, but never get involved in money matters.  Very often it happens that when friends share money they have disagreements that eventually lead to feuds. I learned this lesson in my school days, so I never do business with friends. Of course gambling is not a business, but these guys still had to share the money they won.
True, I wouldn't say it's a mistake, but it's better to avoid anything involving money with a friend or anyone else. Money is a very sensitive thing, believe me money will change everything, and even we will see someone's true nature when dealing with money. Maybe you've heard about these words "money is the sharpest relationship breaker". And that is indeed very true.
This is one of my personal experiences, (now we are on good terms again). At that time my friend was struggling and I tried to help, and when I needed it he antagonized me, even though, I spoke nicely.
4102  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: July 15, 2023, 01:05:54 PM
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I mentioned here the extra power PSG management gave him to keep Mbappe at the club when he announced his move from PSG the previous season. Mbappe's power was such that if he didn't like a player, he could drop that player from the team and if he didn't get on well with the manager, he could also change the manager. But despite getting so much power, Mbappe is not staying at PSG. PSG management should understand at this point. If Mbappe doesn't want to stay at PSG there's no point in forcing him to the club he wants to leave let him go and get another decent player with his salary and see your team move forward nicely.
I've said that PSG only have two options for Mbappe. First PSG will try to make him stay with rational reasons and secondly sell him before his contract expires. PSG cannot let Mbappe go to another team on a free transfer, this is clearly very detrimental to them from a business perspective. While PSG must sell him to a team that is really able to offer a reasonable value because Mbappe is a top striker who is currently on the top list.

PSG cannot always force Kylian Mbappe to stay, but of course several other approaches can be made to persuade him to stay for the next few seasons. At least PSG still have plenty of time to make some efforts with Mbappe, but I'm sure Kylian Mbappe will eventually move on to another team.
Yes, they should do business now by selling Mbappe on the grounds that Mbappe will certainly not extend his contract with Paris Saint Germain. But this seems to be an obstacle for Paris Saint Germain, because they still really hope that Mbappe can be with them again and extend his contract.
Even if they don't get the price they want, but at least they don't release Mbappe for free.
I wonder what the management are really thinking at the moment, why they are still insisting on their will.
I don't mean to mock them, but that's how it is when the money they have can't be put to good use. Lol


By the way, for next season I hope there is a club that surprises in Ligue 1, I hope to see a club that will be able to shift the dominance from PSG, it will be a fun league if they can be more competitive and we don't just see one club that is very superior.
4103  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 15, 2023, 12:50:57 PM
indeed Man United has regained its performance after Erik Ten Hag provided a good strategy and contribution from last season. but for me Man United doesn't need to look for a new striker because they don't have problems in the attacking line but need a reliable goalkeeper at this time like Onana. because if MU can't get a reliable goalkeeper, MU is a little less sure about competing in the champions league.
I'm not a Man United fan but I support MU if they immediately recruit Onana and sell De Gea
I can't even agree with you. Weghorst has been going back again to the burnley. MU has no good striker at this moment. How can you say that if manchester united doesn't even need a striker at this moment? The fact that if MU needs a new striker that can help to win the game and make as many goals as possible. Intermilan and atalanta have been refusing manchester united's offer at this moment. It's very hard for both of clubs to accept low offer from united. ETH needs to find another solution to get new goal keeper and striker with affordable price.
MU is a poor team now caused by it having no money to buy the new player and goal keeper. Ten hag needs to sell more players this season to add more funds to the club.
ETH needs to find some solutions for that. I meant MU must look at the cheap striker and goal keeper.
Well I agree with you, because after all Manchester United need a striker to add to their power in attack. I actually see that they can still rely on David de Gea rather than bringing in a new goalkeeper, but that is the decision of the coach so David de Gea must leave Old Trafford.
Last season, they were very lucky because Marcus Rashford could be a player in their attack, but in some matches, they really struggled. So they have to add at least one more striker for the upcoming season, because with the current squad, I think it is too risky.
I know ETH is a coach who brings good changes, but that doesn't mean we should be complacent and fully trust the strikers they have at the moment. So I think they should bring in another striker, I agree with you.
4104  Economy / Gambling / Re: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? on: July 15, 2023, 12:24:53 PM
The thrill of wagering, particularly on a game, evokes a distinct kind of memory of times past. Its almost like we're back in the playground, betting on which toy would win. Money has simply taken the place of playthings. The excitement is largely the same, however, so it makes sense.

Although, I do believe that money shouldnt be the driving force behind everything. Although wagering might add a bit of excitement, not every positive experience needs to have a monetary payoff. There are instances when the sheer excitement of competing might be more rewarding than the actual outcome. Of course, we must also remember the limitations of this strategy. There are greater risks and consequences when money is involved. Please dont lets lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of gaming is entertainment.
Not every positive experience has to have a monetary reward is a good point. If we go back to the idea that everything has to be monetized, then we will never experience pleasure. I liken it to when we are on vacation for example, we will spend money and it will give us a reciprocal pleasure that we will not be able to feel in other things. Likewise with gambling, maybe some people will say it's just wasting money, but for those of us who seek pleasure in gambling it is a form of entertainment that we don't get in other things.
4105  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 15, 2023, 12:10:20 PM
Napoli are working on a contract extension for Osimhen. He has drawn the attention to himself quite much after his amazing performance in the previous season. But as his cost is going to be quite high for the other teams interested in signing him I don't know if any team would make an official offer. Napoli must be asking for at least 130 million euros.

His salary is nothing for a player like him now and this gives Napoli an advantage to convince him for an extension. I assume he would demand a couple of million euros rise in his salary and I would expect Napoli to accept that. As he has 2 years left there Napoli had better secure his future there.
Some rumors say Napoli will release Osimhen for 150 million or some other sources say Napoli wants 180 million, but it is unclear and unconfirmed because usually the media will exaggerate the news a little.
Osimhen is an important player in the Napoli squad, especially when he was a player who contributed a lot to their title win last season. It's only natural that Napoli would want a high price for a player who has played well.
Napoli seem to be between a rock and a hard place, I mean whether they want to sell him or keep him. Because if they sell it, they will benefit from the sale, but they will lose a player who has a bright future. On the other hand, if they keep him then they won't make a profit, but they will still have a very good player in the squad.
4106  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: July 15, 2023, 11:55:05 AM
I've almost forgotten about the Chinese League now because I'm enjoying following the latest developments in the Arab League, especially in player transfers. More interestingly, it's not just one, two, or 3 players, but they also bring in more than what I imagined. And it's not just one club doing it either, but those who have the money will not hesitate to hunt for players. Although there may be some players who are rumored and even I think it's a bit exaggerated with the price. But that's how a club with money does it. Lol


Haha we've forgotten about the Chinese League even one of the clubs is reportedly bankrupt, of course we don't want the same thing to happen to clubs in the Saudi League too pushy to bring in top players so that income does not match expenses, let's see how strong the clubs in this league are to bring in more top players. Reportedly 3-4 clubs in this league are owned by the same company which means all expenses will be financed by the company including 3-4 clubs I can't imagine how much money they have  Cheesy
Talking about the money in the Arab League, personally I don't doubt their ability financially. Many of the clubs in Europe are owned by wealthy Arabs, so I conclude that they are financially well-established clubs. Although it is rumored that some clubs have debt, but in my opinion it is still in a reasonable category, because in fact the big and fairly rich clubs in Europe also have debt. As long as it is not excessive and still within normal limits, it is valid. What is clear is that most Arab businesses that have an interest in football are successful in their business.
4107  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 15, 2023, 11:40:09 AM
What's interesting and Pep is that he never tried to prohibit or roughly free the players to make a choice whether he would leave or not.
This proves that he is one of those coaches who is quite confident regardless of their players leaving because he is aware of the capacity of the players and he is confident that the training schemes and processes he has are so good that even if some players leave he can still get a decent replacement even better.
This is one of the positive things that Pep has and this is precisely what makes him one of the coaches who can get good performance and become one of the best coaches today.
Yes that's true, apart from having a firm and confident attitude Guardiola has also analyzed his players long ago. So far Ikay Gundogan, who was released to Barcelona on a free transfer, has also been anticipated by Pep Guardiola. Bernardo Silva and Mateo Kovacic can replace the roles left by Gundogan. In terms of age, Gundogan is no longer young and Pep cannot guarantee him a place in the main squad for Man City next season. I think this is one of the factors why Pep doesn't hold back players who want to leave Man City. On the other hand, Man City and Guardiola are more fortunate in this case because they are the club that every player wants, especially after winning the Treble Winner last season.

Next season Man City is still a strong candidate and in defending their championship, both in the EPL and Champions League they are still in the favorite position as the strongest team next season.
The coach must be firm, but at the same time the coach must also have a sense of family and nurture his players. It doesn't have to be excessive but at least make the player feel comfortable when working with a coach. Things like this seem simple, but it is precisely that simplicity that makes many ignored, even though when it can be done it will have a very positive impact on all elements of the player.
They must be able to distinguish in what circumstances they must be firm and in what circumstances they must blend in to create a close sense of family within the squad.
4108  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 15, 2023, 09:13:20 AM
Yes, Manchester city coach is doing a great job that is giving the fans joy and he is ready to do more so that he will help the team to be consistent in winning the champion league title every season, which is possible based on the potential players he brought to the team. I think, next season will be a tough season to all the teams because all the teams are working seriously to bring in new talented players in this summer to withstand the strong teams in the champion league competition, and Manchester city coach too is seriously working to ensure they maintain a good position through out the tournament. Erling Haaland has done well in this season, I believe he will still perform well next season in a way he will help the team to achieve more goals that will bring victory to the team.
unfortunately Man City lost Gundogan, but luckily PSG were turned down when they wanted to bring in Bernardo Silva. if Pep lost a lot of players in his squad last season, it could be bad for their form this season. but I'm sure Pep has considered everything well. some names are leaving, but some names are also coming. the competition in the EPL will be interesting as well as the strong teams that qualify for the UCL.
Names are leaving and I am sure names are coming also. Guardiola knows how to let a player go because he knows how to replace the player. You will think that the player that left is the best anyone can have but he will bring even a better player.
The vision of Manchester City is to win the Champions League back to back. It is possible because they have all it takes, the difference was they never won. Now they have won I think he will master how to continue winning
What's interesting and Pep is that he never tried to prohibit or roughly free the players to make a choice whether he would leave or not.
This proves that he is one of those coaches who is quite confident regardless of their players leaving because he is aware of the capacity of the players and he is confident that the training schemes and processes he has are so good that even if some players leave he can still get a decent replacement even better.
This is one of the positive things that Pep has and this is precisely what makes him one of the coaches who can get good performance and become one of the best coaches today.
4109  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 15, 2023, 07:45:16 AM
I am almost sure that he will not go to Saudi Arabia Grin Mbappe is a football player who pursues his dreams at a young age. If he is determined to go to Real Madrid, no team can take him. I think he will play for PSG one more year.
Saudi Arabia may well be a real option for the transition stage before the end of Mbappe's agreement with Paris Saint-Germain, no matter how fantastic it would have sounded six months ago. At least there seems to be such an offer from the Saudis to invite Mbappe to Saudi Arabia for a year, given the damaged relations between the PSG leadership and the player. Then PSG would get money for rent, and the player would get game practice, and I'm also not sure that Luis Enrique is excited about the idea of building the future of the team around a player who will leave after a season.
Unless Mbappe knows that he won't get anything in Saudi Arabia apart from money. He's currently not short of money at the moment so there's no reason to trade money for a knowing youth that seems wasted in this case.
Mbappe is still smart enough I guess in this regard so there is no such option if indeed he still wants to be recognised with his performance and he still has to learn from his previous mistakes when looking at money rather than achievements and a good level of competition. Even if he does see money it is still valid and there is nothing wrong with that but he must also realise that his career can be more than that.
4110  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 15, 2023, 07:08:35 AM

Looks potential sign from Arsenal after success get Declan Rice from West Ham United, he will be great tandem form Jorginho or Thomas Partey as holding midfielder. Arsenal seems serious prepare squad for next season because they have many competition participants, not only have finish on top fourth standing in Primer League but also Arsenal have motivate best achievement in Champion League after missing last several years.

Next season Arsenal's target should be a trophy. they looked absolutely stunning last season. and now they prepare everything better. because they know the competition with strong teams in the EPL and UCL will be very tough. Man City will be his strong opponent in the Premier League. Likewise with United who I feel will have a lot of surprises from Ten Hag with their new transfers this summer.
They still need to prove their worth if they are aiming for such a big goal.
Indeed, with their previous performance, the championship target seems not too grandiose because they have been able to compete well last season but we must realise that the EPL is a very different competition compared to other domestic leagues.
Maybe it would make sense if it was in Serie A or Ligu 1 when a club plays well this season then great opportunities will come for next season. The EPL does not seem to have anything like this where it could be when they are very good this season and then overturn next season or vice versa where they are currently slumping can immediately become a strong candidate in the next season.
The EPL is a competition that is not too predictable apart from the absolute strength of City in recent seasons.
4111  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Casinos Go Bankrupt Because of Player Wins? on: July 15, 2023, 06:27:35 AM
Donald Trump had several casinos that went bankrupt but I don't think it was because of players winning too much. A player winning might only be one of several factors that can lead to a casino having financial problems. Casinos have salaries they have to pay employees and they need to give away nice bonuses to attract new customers. Your expenses might become unsustainable if you are not bringing enough revenue to cover those costs. Casinos are legally allowed to ban players if they win too much so it is nearly impossible to go bankrupt solely for this reason.
I seriously didn't know that casinos are legally allowed to ban a player if they are winning a lot of money, I used to think that they can't do anything in that case because it's the luck of the players since most gamblers eventually lose even after winning, so the house eventually gets the money back, it might be one out of hundreds of thousands where a person keeps winning money in a casino without even losing at all which can be a problem for the casino, of course.

If we talk about a casino going bankrupt, I believe they go bankrupt when they don't get enough gamblers and they still have to pay their employees as you said, and marketing campaigns eat most of the revenue of the casinos, I'm not sure about land-based casinos but that is at least the case with online casinos.

If a gambler wins a lot of money or a big amount of money at once some of the gambler sites may held his withdraw or block his account or start investigating in order to not to pay that particular person. They may find excuses to not to pay him but the good sites will never do such cheap things.

Coming to the point whether the casino can become bankrupt I think only the new casinos can have this problem or if those casino being run by the inexperienced persons.
This is a business and when talking about business there will be bankruptcy but for gambling cases where they go bankrupt for the reason that they lose to players I think it seems unlikely because there is nothing like that even for new casinos.

I still have the same thought as before that gamblers will never win against the bookie or the gambling house. even if they win it could be a coincidence or it is given so that they are more enthusiastic in depositing a larger amount of money.
As for Trump's case, I'm not even sure they went bankrupt because of something as trivial as player winnings but for some other reasons it might still be considered.
4112  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: July 14, 2023, 10:54:32 PM
When they sell a player then they should not talk about that player anymore, in the sense that Borussia Dortmund already knows the consequences of selling a player who affected the team's play last season.
They are used to this, because not only Jude Bellingham was the only player they sold, but many players in the past they sold and successfully played for other clubs.
Last season it was Erling Haaland, and this season it is Jude Bellingham. And even they do not hesitate to release their players to their own opponents in the Bundesliga, as long as there is profit they get, then as long as they will continue to sell their potential players.
yes, we are shown by another fact in football regarding the buying and selling of players between Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich. It looks a bit quirky, but that's the cutthroat side of competition backed up by sufficient finances. Munchen uses all means to maintain its dominance in the Bundesliga by buying star players from rival club Dortmund. With tempting offers and promising prospects for Munchen players can easily do it.

Robert Lewandowski, Mario Gotze, Mats Hummels are some of the names who moved with them from Dortmund, if Erling Haaland had not gone to Man City, of course Munich would have taken him too. On the other hand, this is indeed beneficial for the German national team considering that most of the players are in the two clubs and automatically the relationship between players has been created at the club level. This is like the Spanish national team, where the majority of the players are in Madrid and Barcelona.
So don't be surprised if many people say this is a peasant league because apart from Bayern's strength in their dominance of the trophy indirectly there is also an impact of other clubs giving their players to Bayern.
Not only Dortmund but also Leipzig did the same and did not rule out the possibility if some players in dark horse clubs such as Freiburg and Union there are players who are above average it could eventually belong to Bayern.

Back to Dortmund's condition in this case they are indeed focused on players but of course releasing players not to Bayern is a very good thing to do because at least it will not be too difficult for them in the end. Even though they still cannot beat Bayern and shift their position but letting potential players to Bayern is the same as strengthening Bayern in continuing their dominance.
4113  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 14, 2023, 09:22:54 PM
However, it was a great achievement that Newcastle managed to do last season, where they could compete and get a place to go to the Champions League. I will not expect much from them for next season in the Champions League, not without reason because one of them mentally they have not formed for a competition as big as the Champions League, so they must first familiarize themselves. Maybe for me when they can qualify from the group phase it is an extraordinary achievement considering they will get the best opponents from each league even when still in the group phase.
I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that they might do something far from my expectations, so we'll see what it will be like, different from my expectations or what I thought.
Newcastle had a performance season and I believe they will continue to strive for excellence in the upcoming season. While they weren't able to reach the semifinals they consistently showcased their determination to excel in every game when facing clubs, in their group in the champions league.

I am confident that Newcastle will make strides in the season aiming to enhance their performance and adapt to the nature of matches, in the champions league.
Trying their best will of course be done and it is indeed a good choice so that they continue to be one of the clubs that count in the end, besides that the staff and management must also realise that when they fail to provide haraoan for the club owner with all the luxuries that have been given then they will also definitely not be safe so improving themselves for the better is a certainty.
Imo don't go too far in giving expectations such as semi-finals or knock out phase, because they only have to be able to compete in the group phase alone that's good for the first season.
Even if it would be great to go further but of course don't give more expectations because it will only burden their own players.
4114  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: July 14, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
It's interesting to see how Arab League enthusiasts are becoming more numerous now, myself included.
I was initially not interested or even knew anything about these clubs in Arabia, but that changed after the big breakthrough made by one of the Arab clubs last season by signing mega star, Cristiano Ronaldo. I thought they'd move on from there, but they've gone even crazier this season by bringing in a lot of European-labeled players to join them.
I'm sure some people here are experiencing the same thing as me. Lol

Yes, although the Chinese league also previously or at that time made purchases of players who played in clubs in Europe, but the popularity of their league did not rise as it is currently happening in the Saudi Professional League. Because anyway, the increased interest in the Saudi Professional League at this time because they previously managed to recruit Ronaldo, who basically Ronaldo has a great influence. So yes, because of Ronaldo's arrival in this league, then of course it is also a trigger for other star players playing in European clubs and leagues to accept the offers made to them as well like Benzema and other players as well.
I've almost forgotten about the Chinese League now because I'm enjoying following the latest developments in the Arab League, especially in player transfers. More interestingly, it's not just one, two, or 3 players, but they also bring in more than what I imagined. And it's not just one club doing it either, but those who have the money will not hesitate to hunt for players. Although there may be some players who are rumored and even I think it's a bit exaggerated with the price. But that's how a club with money does it. Lol
4115  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You must do this if you want to QUIT or NOT on: July 14, 2023, 06:21:53 PM
Admission is a big factor, admission of being an addicted gambler. And after realizing that problem, you have to seek the help of the professionals that have been helping addicted gamblers. You may try to do it on your own but if you find it too hard, there's no need to hide the problem but to go to those professionals that will help you remove that gambling addiction as it's for your own good. Realizing and accepting that you've got a gambling problem is hard to happen for many gamblers and that's why they've been stuck into this problem.
Usually they are not unaware that they are an addict, but they are embarrassed enough to tell it to others that in the end they cannot let go because they are buried by themselves.
But whether being defeated by shame will solve the problem, of course not because after all it will be difficult when it is really an addict.
The main reason is that when telling someone else, sometimes that person cannot be trusted and tells it again to someone else, and that encourages a person's shame so that they don't dare to tell.
A person may be able to lie to others, but they cannot lie to themselves. The key is within themselves, because basically as others we just want to help.

By the way, maybe we can also easily talk like this, because we don't experience it, but if we were in their position it would also be very difficult.
4116  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: July 14, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
Personally, I was not expecting to see Newcastle at this position in the premier league and taking the ticket for the champions league. because compared to many other similar teams like Arsenal and Manchester United or other teams they had less investment in their teams while Newcaslte could race with all these teams, I this what Newqcaslte needs right now is to improve the team and hire some players to make the squad stronger to race in the next champions league.

Newcastle still need time to strengthen their mentality in the UCL. With this busy schedule, it can affect their performance in all leagues. Maybe they don't have any targets for the UCL this season, but being able to compete in the UCL is already the best experience to prepare for the next UCL. With financial strength, Newcastle will probably start preparing when they can become EPL champions. Because, if Newcastle can become EPL Champions, there will be a lot of top players who will be easier to sign.

Actually i personally not so surprised about Newcastle being able to finish in the top four, because in fact Newcastle has very good progress and it has been seen at least from the previous season too, where Newcastle managed to avoid and stay away from the relegation zone. But yes, considering Newcastle will get a more solid schedule next season, then Newcastle should recruit top players and to prepare for the second player who also at least must have good quality too. Because if Newcastle do not prepare well in this transfer window, then i sure maybe Newcastle will be chaotic situation later for example failing in the Champions League but failing also to compete in the top four in the English Premier League.
However, it was a great achievement that Newcastle managed to do last season, where they could compete and get a place to go to the Champions League. I will not expect much from them for next season in the Champions League, not without reason because one of them mentally they have not formed for a competition as big as the Champions League, so they must first familiarize themselves. Maybe for me when they can qualify from the group phase it is an extraordinary achievement considering they will get the best opponents from each league even when still in the group phase.
I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that they might do something far from my expectations, so we'll see what it will be like, different from my expectations or what I thought.
4117  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 14, 2023, 05:04:48 PM
Maybe it was Chelsea's fault but the last chance was to sell Lukaku to Inter milan and be signed permanently because Inter milan really needed Lukaku to strengthen his club like the previous season.
I don't fully accuse Chelsea of doing anything wrong but there is no other choice but to sell Lukaku to fix the finances for $40 million it doesn't matter the most important thing is that Inter milan can get Lukaku back for next season.
Soccer transfer history is full of faults like these so right now no one is thinking about past what happen and how they have done this mistake because it's all gone with mostly looking for the future and right now Lukaku is not having any desire for the playing under Pochettino and Chelsea is also looking for potential buyer with right now they have three bids from different clubs like Juventus, Roma and Inter most chances with the entry of Juventus things solved quickly and easily because right now their bid is best, but Chelsea wants £45 million and no one near this but as things are going most chances this will also be completed, and we will be having Lukaku in Serie A for the next season and his performance could be also improved because he needs to be back his best for having good future at the top flight of UEFA clubs in next few years.
If considering their transfer that cost a lot of money of course it will be a regret for Chelsea, but there is no point in regretting it anymore and they better focus on the future. Now will they want to let Lukaku go for a price that is far below when they brought him from Inter Milan, or will they insist on keeping Lukaku on loan.

For some reason when watching him play for Chelsea it seemed something was missing, and when he returned to Inter Milan he seemed more comfortable. I'm not going to speculate too much about this, because until now I haven't heard any bad news, or maybe it's because the Premier League's style of play doesn't fit or there are other things, like for example, it takes longer in the adaptation process.
4118  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: July 14, 2023, 04:40:47 PM
It's interesting to see how Arab League enthusiasts are becoming more numerous now, myself included.
I was initially not interested or even knew anything about these clubs in Arabia, but that changed after the big breakthrough made by one of the Arab clubs last season by signing mega star, Cristiano Ronaldo. I thought they'd move on from there, but they've gone even crazier this season by bringing in a lot of European-labeled players to join them.
I'm sure some people here are experiencing the same thing as me. Lol
4119  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: July 14, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Borussia dortmund doesn't really think about that because for dortmund Bellingham is just a past player who deserves to be sold and we must always know that dortmund never keeps its best players but always sells that is Borussia dortmund's business goal.
We must always know that Dortmund itself is not too concerned with titles but is always looking for new players who look talented and educate them until they have good performance after which they are sold again. We don't need to expect anything extraordinary from Borussia dortmund.[/left]
When they sell a player then they should not talk about that player anymore, in the sense that Borussia Dortmund already knows the consequences of selling a player who affected the team's play last season.
They are used to this, because not only Jude Bellingham was the only player they sold, but many players in the past they sold and successfully played for other clubs.
Last season it was Erling Haaland, and this season it is Jude Bellingham. And even they do not hesitate to release their players to their own opponents in the Bundesliga, as long as there is profit they get, then as long as they will continue to sell their potential players.
4120  Economy / Gambling / Re: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? on: July 14, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol
Sometimes what is at stake is something that is not even physical, one example of this is reputation, there are many people out there with big egos that believe they are always right, so if two people like that were to gamble about an uncertain outcome even if no money or something with a monetary value was exchanged, as long as one won and the other lost then the gambler that lost will feel they lost face or some of their reputation, making such a bet an act of gambling in my mind.
Maybe we have slightly different views on this, in terms of what you said is their reputation you gave an example when people who always think they are right, for me it is not gambling more like a gamble on self-esteem. I mean behind that there will definitely be people who aim to prove that he is not that perfect (always right) so they do some kind of proof, and more want to make him feel embarrassed in front of many people. I think this is a different thing, because in gambling no one aims to humiliate their opponent.
But again this is according to each perception.
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