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Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. If the "up to" bid is not a valid bid, then the max of the up to bid is the final bid.
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How are they different? Explain how they are different, please.
If a normal bid on any auction site in the world is not a valid bid, then the "up to" amount is 66 BTC, which is the final bid.
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No, the 40 BTC was edited after the fact. My post was also edited after the fact to reflect the high bid of 35 BTC by the previous bidder, not like the 40 BTC bid that was edited to be over the previous bid. I never had a bid "up to 36 BTC." The only bid I had was essentially "up to 66 BTC."
If we were to play that game, I could have edited my post to reflect 41 BTC
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I'd like to let everyone know that Jeremy West at spendbitcoins.com is unable/unwilling to follow through with deals he makes for BTC. I would advise everyone to steer clear of his business, as he has shown that when he later decides he does not like the agreement he has already made, he will back out of it. Be very careful if you decide to engage in any business with him, as it's entirely possible he will keep your BTC and not provide the goods or services he's offered. While this has not happened to me (thankfully) and he backed out of the deal prior to me sending bitcoins, I would question any deal I made and whether or not he would honor it once the BTC were received. For those that care, the problem originated in his auction for a time share. Starting Bid: 1 BTC Bid increment: Minimum 1 BTC Auction closing date/time: 10 November 2011 at 20:00:00 UTC (Click to see date/time in your timezone. Instructions: Post a bid below which is a minimum of 1 BTC higher than previous high bid. You are bidding on 1 week (3 Dec-10 Dec 2011) in a fully self-contained 2 bedroom condo at the beautiful Hanalei Bay Resort on Kauai, the so-called garden island of Hawaii. We booked it using our timeshare early this year, but due to pregnancy complications will not be able to use it. Luckily, it is transferable, so you can take advantage of this opportunity to get a full week at a super low price! Bidding starts at 1 BTC and goes up in minimum 1 BTC increments by posting your bid below. Auction closes 10 November 2011 at 20:00:00 UTC (Find out when that is for you by clicking --> here). excerpt from http://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=1503&resortCode=HAN&parentResortCode=HAN: Hanalei Bay Resort is situated above scenic Hanalei Bay with a view of the Na Pali Cliffs, Bali Hai Mountain, picturesque beaches, cascading waterfalls, and swaying palm trees. It is located within the world-famous Princeville Resort, which features 45 holes of championship golf. The resort offers eight tennis courts with an on-site pro shop, gift shop, and two swimming pools, one complete with multiple waterfalls and streams that cascade directly into the pool. Guests have direct access to the beach and Hanalei Bay. The final bid price includes accommodation for the entire week at the resort for up to six people, and there is no reserve on this auction, so start bidding! See my feedback at http://feedback.spendbitcoins.com, http://bitcoinfeedback.spendbitcoins.com & http://ebay.spendbitcoins.com and bid with confidence. Nowhere in his original auction did it state the bid could not be open ended... it did not, in fact, state anything about the format of the bids at all. As anyone who's used any auction site in the world knows, if you bid X dollars on a product, your bid is the top bid above the bid below you, not the "max" amount of your bid. As such, I bid "up to 66 BTC" on the auction. The next highest bidder was 35 BTC. Apparently, my bid of "up to 66 BTC" was unacceptably too low for the auction, and thus he "reopened" it for "an hour" to take more bids in a "silent auction." But in either case, even if Jeremy did not "intend" to have a "normal" auction like every auction site on the Internet, my high bid was well above the next top bidder of 35 BTC. In either case, Jeremy did not like the result and thus decided to "reopen" the auction in a "silent auction" style so he could manipulate the price to be whatever he wanted. Anyone that dishonest does not need your business. Buyer beware. |
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Bullshit twice over. Bullshit 1: I gave a high bid of 66 BTC, not some open ended +1 bid like you are trying to make it out to be. If someone wanted to outbid me, all they had to do was bid 66 BTC.
Bullshit again on "you could effectively win auctions for very little this way" because someone could bid a ridiculous amount and I'd be stuck with a ridiculous amount +1. So both your arguments are complete bullshit.
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Oh... so you're saying people could only bid once? Then that invalidates most bidders, since they usually bid more than once. The point of bidding is to bid... not state a price and then you can't increase it. *THAT* is your defense?
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There were no rules to specify otherwise. Sorry you wern't quick enough to figure it out.
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I am reporting you for a scam auction. I am also going to make it my mission to let everyone know you are a liar and a cheat, who fails to follow through with the goods he's sold because you don't like the outcome.
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What the fuck is a "bidnapper bid?" Show me where in the rules (not your new, edited rules) that is says there's no "bidnapper bid." Whatever the hell that is. That's not even a word. *boggle*
If you want to get sticky on the rules that don't exist, my bid was for 66 BTC, which is higher than Antares 35 BTC bid (which he edited) or his 40 BTC edited bid. So your fictional "bidnapper bid" doesn't even apply in that instance either.
The whole point of an *AUCTION* is to get the lowest price you can (as a bidder). If you want(ed) a specific amount, THEN SPECIFY THAT AMOUNT IN YOUR POST. Don't change the rules later because you didn't like the outcome.
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Umm, no. I won the auction. The auction closed at 20:00 UTC. My original bid was UP TO 66 BTC at 1 BTC over the high bidder. In either case, I won the auction at either 66 BTC or 35 BTC.
You "re-opening" it because you don't want the price stated is completely bogus. I edited my message because it was more clear that way. In either case, I had the last bid and it was higher than the previous high bidder.
If you continue with this, I will report it as a scam auction, plain and simple, as that's what it is.
Lol, I don't think anyone will agree with you there. Bidding "one higher than the highest bid" is kind of sketchy to start with, and not the same rules that anyone else was bidding under. You were supposed to bid a single BTC amount, not "everything between 35 BTC and 66 BTC, but as low as possible". Sorry, but I would side with Jeremy on that argument. So show me where that is not allowed? Every other auction site I've ever posted on works that way, why would I expect this one to be different? But in EITHER CASE the high bid was MORE than 35 BTC or 40 BTC. So in EITHER CASE my bid was the high bid when the auction closed. Everyone was bidding under the same rules, it's not my fault others chose to ignore the rules they find inconvenient. For the record, I did not bid "one high than the highest bid" I bid "one more BTC higher than the highest bid UP TO 66 BTC" if someone had bid 66 BTC, my bid would be invalidated. Even if that were not the case, some asshole could come along and bid 10,000 BTC and I'd be stuck having to pay 10,001 BTC. I'm sure there'd be no complaining then. |
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No I will not. First of all, it's not a silent bid then, is it?
Second of all, the rules of the auction were clearly stated. It didn't go for enough, so he decided to "reopen it" until it did. If that's the case, and he was going to continue the auction until he gets the price he wants, he should have made it clear in the auction to begin with, not let the auction continue for days under a pretense.
Frankly, I expected better from Jeremy.
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Umm, no. I won the auction. The auction closed at 20:00 UTC. My original bid was UP TO 66 BTC at 1 BTC over the high bidder. In either case, I won the auction at either 66 BTC or 35 BTC.
You "re-opening" it because you don't want the price stated is completely bogus. I edited my message because it was more clear that way. In either case, I had the last bid and it was higher than the previous high bidder.
If you continue with this, I will report it as a scam auction, plain and simple, as that's what it is.
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Move on all you want but you guide turned into little more than an unresearched biased filled blog about pools and features you happen to like. Which is sad. It could have been a useful resource for the forum and new miners.
That's kind of the feeling I got from the OP as well. It's not comprehensive and does not describe the reward systems in any meaningful way (either technically or emotionally) beyond the one type OP likes. It can still be saved though. |
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Thank you Inaba for your help in this. Can I ask about your pool? What are your fees and do you have merged mining? I am a KC local (most of my life) and found out this guys location rather early on in this thread. The admins have threatened to ban me twice now for posting relevant information. Eclipse Mining Consortium ( https://eclipsemc.com) is a no fee pool. We use the Double Geometric reward system and we have merged mining (I think third or 4th pool to offer it?)... Solved 313 NMC blocks so far. We are also the only pool to offer direct Paypal payouts in USD instead of BTC. Paypal payouts in NMC are coming soon. Sorry to derail the thread a bit, but I'm a shameless pimp. |
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It seems all pools have this problem in the beginning. Lord knows my pool was bouncing like a ball on occasion when I first started it up.
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No, let me make a new address tonight and you can Goat can send them to that, just so we can keep each bet separate. I suppose if I am to be a bookie, I should bring a BTC client with me to work, heh  I should open up a betting joint along with the pool.. then you can just transfer your funds from the pool to the horses and away you go. |
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Here's a couple pictures of the two buildings in question I just took (from the opposite side of street of each building in question): http://eclipsemc.com/files/IMAG0048.jpghttp://eclipsemc.com/files/IMAG0049.jpgThey look the same to me. I would say the pictures are taken from the 3rd or 4th floor of Chambers Lofts. Yes, the lofts are locked and the only way in is a keypad or access card. I think there is actually an intercom on the keypad, but I don't fancy the idea of calling people randomly from the keypad and demanding access, nor do I think BFL would want someone randomly showing up at the door. |
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Sorry, I meant 14, not 12
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I kind of take exception to it as well. As a pool op using DGM, I find that payouts are far, far more consistent than any other method for miners, be they intermittent or constant. The DGM method really spreads out the "pain and suffering" of intermittent connections over several blocks, making it easier to take psychologically.
EclipseMC being a no fee pool, I think it's one of the best solutions out there for non-PPS pools. A true no-fee PPS pool is great, but I question whether one can last, which is why I've stuck with DGM.
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