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4181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 20, 2016, 10:02:05 PM
Looks like there are still a bunch of Trump supporters who don't know he's a Democrat working for the same people Hillary is.
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If Trump is 'working for' anyone, he's certainly not been being reimbursed very well.  Seems to have nearly zero friends in the establishment or corporate world.

I'm still a registered Democrat.  When I registered 30 years ago or so the reasons made sense to me.  To be sure I had some mis-information and mis-conceptions, and various philosophies of mind have shifted.  Sometimes they have done a 180.  'Democrat' is not a dirty word to me, and compared to 'Republican' from back in the day I continue to believe that it is preferable for the timeframe.

Trump was asked back then why he was a Republican and the best he could come up with is 'I don't know.'  Trump was from an earlier generation than I and there had been shifts and upheavals in political party direction between when Trump made his choice and when I did.

Gen. Flynn who nearly became Trump's VP pick seems to be in my situation wrt party affiliation (and demoralization.)

Anyway, the cross-over seen in a lot of Trump's friends and associates is a big plus in my mind.  I like flexibility and adaptability which happens to be the biggest reason I avoid the Libertarians.  They seem hopelessly ossified to me and easily drawn in the wrong direction because of it.

My hope is that win, lose, or draw, the Trump-driven populist movement has pocketed the Republican party and will turn it into something I can actually support to a degree.  Seems possible.

4182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ICANN taken over by the United Nations, your opinions? on: August 20, 2016, 05:54:17 PM
My take is that this is going to be used as cover for the oligarchy to clamp down on our communication freedoms here in the U.S..  'Consensus of the global community...what can ya do?'

As for timing, I doubt that it will take very long.  It was only a couple of years ago that Obama granted the government the ability to kill people using robots here within our borders.  Rand Paul made a big stink about it with his filibuster and the 'consensus' was that he was nuts and the government would NEVER do anything like that.  Nobody really noticed, but a trial run happened in Dallas recently.  The whole thing was probably a hoax, but as and experiment it provided a good deal of feedback, legally it set precident, and socially it started the path to conditioning

Back to nameservice, DNS as currently implemented is a pretty archaic and weak method of addressing.  I sort of welcome an attack on it because something which can veg undeveloped for decades if unmolested can undergo rapid development when attacked.

Addressing in a combat environment is (I'm guessing) one of the things that will cause mesh networks to under-perform on many people's expectations.  It would be healthy to have nameservice attacks so that future developments on this front seek to address this issue.

If/when the internet is locked down, a smallish technical segment of the community will be able to communicate with reasonable freedom basically the next day.  Because there is a powerful desire for freedom of communication, that segment will grow rapidly.  The idea I outlined on the 'up like trump' thread seeks to deal with a situation where a minority, and potentially a fairly small one, can operate with some freedom while the majority cannot. [edit: yet still get information distributed broadly.]

4183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 20, 2016, 04:46:49 PM
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Of course, a lot of people today don't even know how to burn a CD.  They don't have computers with slots of them, and are used to streaming things that yesterday, went on DVDs, and ten years before that, were on CDs.

I have stacks of CD's left over.  In fact, I think I still have some re-used AOL floppy disks in a box somewhere (and if Assange's 'insurance.aes256' file was on one and the passphrase was [suddenly, for some reason, made] public, I could probably dig it up...)

But you are right (...in terms of technology although few people of 'distributor' class should have much trouble figuring out how to burn an .iso image to CD.)  That is why I suggested several different size-flavors of image, and I expect that the 16G mem stick would be a common size and form factor at the moment.  If the distributor is 'close' to the consumer, as would be the case as I imagine things, then the decision could be a customized one.

A common attack mode is to bait the adversary into a position favorable to one's own strategy.  Having people rely on cloud-based and real-time delivered data is a good strategy because it introduces a control point.  I think it would be healthy to have a workable alternative in case attacks against this weak point are undertaken right here in 'the land of the free.'

[edit: slight boxed to make a currently relevant point]

4184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 20, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
Tbcof, I like all your recent posts. The suggestions are excellent and the analysis cool. Centralizing and digitalization of the election push. Very new and innovative. I like how you think. Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks.

Most of my friends and family are squarely in what I and others are now calling the 'regressive left' or 'regressive liberal.'  A strong characteristic of these people are that they are as closed minded as any other group and information which conflicts with their established communications channels is like garlic to a vampire to them.  Very frustrating.

In my mind I was trying to visualize a way that I might give these people a CD containing information without it being contentious and rejected as overtly political.  Something like 'hey guys, let's try to find the free shit' would probably go over better than 'watch this thing designed to make you like someone you already like to hate.'

Further, when one of my family claims that there is 'no proof' of some shitty thing that the Clinton Foundation did, I could say something like 'Yes there is.  Exactly here in that CD I gave you.'

A slight adjustment to the 'winnings' for finding an Easter Egg would be that the winner could choose a charity from a list.  In this way I could say 'if you find an Easter Egg you can help save the whales' and what-not.  This shifts the motivation away from politics and makes participation a tangible thing to non-greedy do-gooders.  Believe it or not, a lot of the 'regressive liberals' do have a heart which is in the right place and are not simple leeches...just highly conditioned and intellectually stunted for lack of information.

Lastly, and I didn't mention it before, but the 'distribution network' is a way for interested people to contribute their time and money to a cause they believe in without simply tapping in a credit card number.  I'd be happy to see all sides build their own distribution networks of such a nature and as I did mention, I believe that such networks could serve us plebs well in the future.  I would also be glad to see them integrate with some of the tools and concepts of distributed crypto-currency system and suspect tha it would happen naturally because the challenges to both are a good fit.

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4185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 19, 2016, 10:43:34 PM
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3)  Trump did take the bait and took a hit with the odious Kahn, but when the Mateen (Orlando shooting hoax father behind Hillary at a rally) thing occurred he did not.  What happened instead was that the Trump team put up the odious pervert Foley in exactly the same position behind trump.  The positioning and hat and etc are to suspicious for my tastes.  It almost has to be a setup, but why?

I suggest that Trump knows that Mateen will harm Clinton more than Foley will harm him.  The key is to get the media talking about things in certain circles, and giving them Foley to chew on was to much.  Furthermore, it is pretty much impossible to point it out without also mentioning Mateen.  And that they did.  Now, if/when proof of the construction and perpetuation of ISIS by the Obama team comes to the fore, the image of Mateen cheering and waving right behind Clinton will have already received broad public play.

Well, whadaya know.  CiaNN couldn't resist trying to do a smear on the Foley thing and formed a panel to try to make hay of it.  As usual, mostly mouth-breathers which produced the following presented for the enjoyment of the reader:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK72xhmEmxM

Plant the tree, come back later and harvest the fruit Smiley

4186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 19, 2016, 09:52:16 PM

Idea that I 'slept on' last night.

Trump is totally right when he says that he's not running against Hillary as much as he is running against the mainstream media.  Clinton is a highly flawed candidate who may not even last another 80 days for health reasons alone, not to mention the very problematic fallout from her being the embodiment of corruption and treason.....

For those backing her, those could be positives instead of negatives.  Because if she falls over, they can move those they favor into the resulting power vacuums.  The voters, citizens or subjects have no say in the matter.

Gee, ya think? Smiley

This is why the Dems selection of Kaine was of critical interest (to me.)  Clear globalist butt-boy.  As you know, I've thought from my own personal day 1+4, half a year ago, that Clinton won't even be there as POTUS and I continue to believe it likely that she won't make it to the election.

I hope that Trump can use a replacement event of Hillary to pull one of his own and swap Flynn for Pence.  Manafort and the Republican convention are behind us and thus so is Pences' utility in my opinion.

To be perfectly honest I would like to see a genuine military coup if the alternate was a blatant theft of the election by the globalists via rigging and fraud, and especially if it involved the assassination of Trump.  It would be hard for me to believe that the military and paramilitary command structures do not have a fair bit of respect for Gen. Flynn.  I'd certainly take my chances with the Military general staff as corrupt as a lot of them are over either the Dem or Repub establishment who are obviously in bed with the multi-national globalists and on-board with their plans.

4187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: George Soros Hacked on: August 19, 2016, 09:29:37 PM

My take on this particular 'hack' is that it is not really much of anything.  Just documents on their intranet and stuff which was fairly widely distributed to operatives and others anyway.  It is not much different in nature to what Manning pilfered and not very 'classified.'

That said, it is abundantly clear that Soros' workings are expansive and very very ugly.  Many Soros employed people with access to much better internal information must be out there and must be realizing the nature of the Pandora's box that their efforts have opened up.  Particularly because the people who they probably thought they were 'helping' when they signed on are the ones who will be being hurt the most and many of whom already have been.

I anticipate a flood of real information from the bowels of the various Soros efforts eventually and I'm surprised that it has not happened more already.  My faith in humanity will be further damaged if we don't see it.

4188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 19, 2016, 07:58:41 PM

Idea that I 'slept on' last night.

Trump is totally right when he says that he's not running against Hillary as much as he is running against the mainstream media.  Clinton is a highly flawed candidate who may not even last another 80 days for health reasons alone, not to mention the very problematic fallout from her being the embodiment of corruption and treason.

Trump had his way with 'the media' (which is synonymous with 'the globalists' due to corporate governance realities) early on because they were greedy for eyeballs in competition with one another.  Now they realize the extreme danger that Trump poses and they are organized as a unified team.  I've never seen anything like it!

The biggest thing coming up are the debates.  The globalist expect to lose based on a variety of factors including Hillary's many weak points and Trump's proven record of performance (which seemed to have surprise even him.)  We can already see the globalist side trying to limit and bury the damage which is promised them.  What will tend to happen is that most people will see a 'recap' of the debates in the news cycle declaring Hillary the winner, and we've see touches of this in the last few elections.  Doesn't matter if she spent the entire debate writhing on the floor in a seizure; she'll still be advertised as the winner.  It's do or die for the mainstream media and they will pull out all the stops.

It will be tricky to overcome this problem.  Here is an idea:

Release information 'packets' and build a distribution network of interested citizens.  Basically incentivize some individuals to act as active distributors and incentivize even more to act as active consumers.  Here's an idea of how:

Release serial numbered ISO images from a server network.  Various things would be included in the images, but the main one would be the complete footage of the debate.

Embedded in the footage and ISO images would be a variety of 'Easter eggs'.  An example would be like when Trump did his Pepe the Frog pose.  I would pack up these 'Easter eggs' into a file and sign the text before hand so it couldn't be tampered with.  Just a list of things that Trump might try to do if possible.

Those who find and report 'Easter eggs' would be entered into a pools for drawings.  The serial number of the original ISO would allow both the distributor and the reporter to achieve a payout.

I would have each event have a set of different sized ISO images depending on the available media.  CD, DVD, 16G thumb drive, etc.  The extra space would be used to distributed general background information and presentations.  Also perhaps 'dead man switch' packages of the type which protect Assange and Snowden.  References to such info could be addresses as, say, 'D1L_Ffoobar_12:36'  (Debate: #1 Large, File: foobar, at 12 minutes 36 seconds.)

These ISO's would be kicking around in enough places that they could not be memory-holed.  Win, lose, or draw, those who continue the fight which Trump started would have some material in their arsenal.

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I would note that while getting the debates in raw form to the voters is a goal, it is not even the most important one as I see it.  The real goal is to start a vialble information distribution network which does not rely on unrestricted access to the internet.

I have noted that one of the key fascinations of at least some of the top movers and shakers among the globalist crowd are in how China does certian things, and managing information flows to the citizenry is one of them.  They display a palpable envy in some cases.

If there is a seed of truth to the concept of 'American Exceptionalism', it is our respect for freedom of speech and of thought relative to many other parts of the world.  Those who layed down the framework of our nation were especially influenced by this concept and the residuals linger to this day.  The problem from the oligarchy class is to strip these things away without panicking the flock.  Ultimately there will come a point where our freedoms in this regard will be more dangerous than the operation of removing them.  Corporate media consolidation was a method but the recent election has made the media burn their ammo supply to fast and they are rapidly losing the trust necessary to sustain.  I believe that it is inevitable that an inflection point will occur and we will move rapidly toward much more restricted and controlled forms of information flow.  My idea here is, as much as anything, to try to set up for this inflection point.

4189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 19, 2016, 04:23:43 AM

Another couple suggestions for the Trump team:

Regularly 'talk right past' Hillary and near-directly to Kaine.  The idea is to make it seem pretty clear that it is known by everyone that if Hillary even gets to the start of her first term it is unlikely that she will make it to the end as a realistic and capable president.  Of course take any challenge on this as an opportunity to drive the point home of her limited shelf-life and talk about Clinton's and Kaine's interchangeability on most critical subjects such as TPP anyway.

I do agree with Nichols idea that it would play well for Trump himself to be ultra-nice about Hillary's unfortunate physical condition and her potential mental condition as well.  Maybe even admonish 'others' for being cruel as they continue to dig at the health issue.

I would be very gracious and allow Clinton to be comfortably seated during the debates, and even encourage it if she feels that she can perform better in that configuration.  If the Clinton side demands that Trump be seated as well, make sure that a loophole remains that he can 'stretch his legs' given that he is a fit and active person.  It would be great to see Trump pacing around making points while Clinton remains seated.  Also stipulate that bathroom breaks (or complete retirement) of either candidate can be used by the other to interact with the crowd.

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BTW, I never even heard Hillary's enemies mention that at the rally with Biden in Scranton, Hillary spoke briefly to introduce Biden then sat down while Uncle Chester Biden rambled on for an hour.  Isn't that kind of backward?  I mean, the old creeper isn't running for anything...or is he???

4190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: August 18, 2016, 11:12:24 PM

Recently 'Dr. Drew' called into question the meds which Hillary is on.  I guess the guy is one of those mainstream doctor dudes.  I'd not heard of him because I don't do much mainstream media stuff, but it sounds like he is no fringe dude.

Anyway, Dr. Drew called attention to Hillary's use of 'ArmourThyroid'.  This is ground up pig glands, and the 'Armour' part comes from the meat packing company who has good access to pig organs.  I only know this because some time ago I tried to figure out what would take to keep a thyroid deficient person alive in a collapse scenario.  Dr. Drew says that it's medicine 'from the 1950's and that various more modern options with fewer side effects are available.  Why is she on it?

One hypothesis is that she has some allergy or some other reaction to the more modern thyroid replacement options.  If so, it sounds unusual and interesting.

Another hypothesis is that Hillary wished to avoid more modern pharmaceutical options because she doesn't trust them.  Perhaps Hillary believes that many of these modern pharma options are designed to send the patient into an expensive and unpleasant death spiral which enriches the medical-industrial complex.  If so, Hillary and I are thinking along the same lines.

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Moving on to more esoteric quasi-medical things, it is interesting that the long held occultist beliefs that 'young blood' can be of use to the rich and powerful seems to be being mainstreamed.  With 'science'!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/04/can-we-reverse-ageing-process-young-blood-older-people

http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.html

(Parenthetically, the characters in these stories, including Thiel, lend some strength to the idea that if someone appears outwardly to be a deranged and dangerous freak, they may well be.)

Anyway, I just got to wondering if, given Hillary's unusual blood coagulation issues and rumored interest in the occult, maybe she had been puttering around with this 'young blood' stuff.

4191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 18, 2016, 07:34:43 PM

The 'buzz' today seems to be a reasonably well implemented set of sculptures of Donald Trump:



I approve!  One of Alinski's 'rules for radicals' had to do with 'ridicule'.  In his famous handbook, Alinsky, like Machievelli, Tzu, etc, was mostly describing basic concepts which are pretty universal.  'Radical' does not necessarily apply to one side or another.  Both sides of any conflict can and do use these principles and concepts to their advantage.

Another of Alinsky's rules had to do with 'hypocrisy'.

The wonderful Trump statue opens the door for a variety of equally delightful 'art' from the other side of the isle.  Off hand, I can think of several:

 - A comparable statue of Hillary sporting her catheter and urine bag.

 - 'Kinetic art' showing Hillary going into a seizure and being shot up with a diazapan pen by her handler.

 - Kinetic art 'celebrating' Joe Biden's dry-hump attempt on Hillary.  Or old Chester Biden attempting to diddle some hapless senator's child.

 - Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren doing a ceremonial Indian dance to get into school ahead of equally white competition,

4192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: August 18, 2016, 06:42:29 AM

One of the stories about the Clinton Foundation that I ran across had to do with a large Swiss and an Indian pharma company giving a good deal of money to them and ending up with most of the business for worldwide tuberculous treatment complements of the U.N.

Another was about the people who make it across the completely unsecured Southern border being immediately given transportation to wherever they wished to go deeper into the country.  (And another about Obama wishing to make society more equitable by inserting 'disadvantaged' people into all neighborhoods (excluding the wealthy enclaves one suspects.)

Another was the lack of concern on the part of the authorities about various ailments that the immigrants might harbor, including TB.  And the cost of eventual treatment which is quite high.  Up in the $150,000 range per case for the multiple drug resistant strains (MDR-TB).

Among Obama's contributions to pharma was a ban on the government negotiating for prices and Obamacare which means that anyone who happens to be sick is a customer for overpriced meds no matter whether they have money or not.  To be fair, the actual count of TB infected migrants didn't seem that high, but as always, reliable info is hard to find.

I do wonder if it is not a design goal to actually spread TB around the U.S..  Ultimately the middle class (or what's left of them) will get tired of paying for new arrivals as the costs mount, but if their own kids could pick up TB in public schools and what-not, and they have no hope of paying for it themselves, they might be inclined to support Obamacare or whatever 'single payer' public health system is bound to replace it.

Are our current crop of social engineers this evil?  From everything I can observe, fuckin-a right they are.  The planet is overpopulated anyway and these fuckers might as well kill two birds with one stone and make a dime in solving this 'most pressing' problem.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/clinton-group-advised-world-bank-contracts-for-donors/

4193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 16, 2016, 04:34:21 AM
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I would council the Trump team to not focus exclusively on Hillary's rotten near-corpse and to continue opposition research on the likely options for a replacement.  Warren would be safe as VP because she could be shelved in practice and not bother the banksters to much.  This would mollify the wimmin.  The other likely alternative would be Biden/Kaine where the globalists cannot lose.

Changed my mind.  I don't think that Biden could possibly be viable:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YaSlSaNvCc

How would you like to be a Senator faced with taking the fam into the nuclear bunker with this creepy fucking weirdo?  I think I'd take my chances on the surface!

I only found this vid after someone pointed out the mating clasp and near dry-hump old uncle Joe performed on Hillary recently and mentioned that it was not unusual behaviour from the guy.

4194  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 14, 2016, 11:24:49 PM

I was just thinking...I'll bet that these guys even back in the 1970's knew all about solar cycles and knew damn good and well that the next phase would be one of warming.  If it were to be a cooling phase such as Dr. Z speaks of, they would have used 'global cooling' and cooked up some crock of shit about air pollution (and, of course, about how we masses need to give them money, power, and control to save us from that emergency.)

I say this because I've heard that 'the elite' have been aware of and fixated on the role of gut flora for about 100 years even while the subject is deprecated in the curricula of the medical institutions which they control.  I've no idea if this is true or not, but in my 6th sense it 'feels' like one of those 'conspiracy theories' which I've run across that proves highly valid in the end.  Generally speaking I have no trouble with the hypothesis that:

 1) The 'elite' have access to much more advanced science than other groups and the regularly leverage it in their activities, and

 2) That they maintain 'control' of this advantage by doing their best to have that the knowledge not 'escape into the wild.'

 3) Sponsoring and thus controlling institutes of learning is one of the most effective of ways to achieve both of these goals.



i'd go even further implying the elite does conduct geo ingeneering experiences altering the climate to fit their agenda.

it is whispered around that the 'deep state' is about 20 to 30 years in advance, as we humble mortals get the post sterilized consumable crumbs (pokemon go?!)

This is pretty creepy (if not a hoax.)


also haven't ruled totally out the possibility of bitcoin being kinda social engineered 'reset' plan.

Nor have I, and it is something I've thought about from day one.  Ultimately I think it unlikely because Bitcoin's design, being nearly identical to precious metals, makes it entirely unsatisfactory for the plebs.  If anything it (or similar) might be something the elite use among themselves, and a years-long proof of concept here in the darker corners of the net would be worthwhile.

We plebs will get a cashless system which is structurally and philosophically akin to the food-stamp cards of today.  Probably backed by 'energy' and fully administered by the oligarchy.  I suggest that this is what is being set up now and that the climate change hoax is actually an integral part of the process.

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Edit:  It's probably been posted here before, but interesting people at interesting places are admittedly very interested in geo-engineering.  It's hardly a stretch to posit that fairly broad experiments at the very least have been occurring on this front for some time.  And, of course, it has explanatory power for the observations that many people who have bothered to look skyward over the last decade or so have made.

4195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: August 14, 2016, 10:43:31 PM

Trump goes on and on, correctly, about how the U.S. has been de-industrialized and drained over the past few decades.  I believe that he is quite fully aware of why this has been happening and has been happening for a long while.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F87-YExePQw

When Trump claims that our leadership is causing our plight because they are 'stupid', I believe that he is being a fuckin' liar.  I also don't hold it against him for saying what he says in the way that he says it at this phase, but I expect him to come clean at some point in time.  His voice or the voice of his surrogates will ring loud from here forward whether he attains the presidency or not.

4196  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 14, 2016, 10:05:42 PM
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Quite a few budding propagandists there, including Maurice Strong.

I was just thinking...I'll bet that these guys even back in the 1970's knew all about solar cycles and knew damn good and well that the next phase would be one of warming.  If it were to be a cooling phase such as Dr. Z speaks of, they would have used 'global cooling' and cooked up some crock of shit about air pollution (and, of course, about how we masses need to give them money, power, and control to save us from that emergency.)

I say this because I've heard that 'the elite' have been aware of and fixated on the role of gut flora for about 100 years even while the subject is deprecated in the curricula of the medical institutions which they control.  I've no idea if this is true or not, but in my 6th sense it 'feels' like one of those 'conspiracy theories' which I've run across that proves highly valid in the end.  Generally speaking I have no trouble with the hypothesis that:

 1) The 'elite' have access to much more advanced science than other groups and the regularly leverage it in their activities, and

 2) That they maintain 'control' of this advantage by doing their best to have that the knowledge not 'escape into the wild.'

 3) Sponsoring and thus controlling institutes of learning is one of the most effective of ways to achieve both of these goals.

4197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 14, 2016, 09:31:54 PM
Guys on a side note, this has been a very entertaining thread and I would sincerely like to watch some of these documentaries about a global takeover you are discussing. Furthermore I really wish we could somehow send this entire thread to some of the supposed hacks you are calling out (Bill Nye, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Carl Sagan) and see a video of them reading our chat and defending themselves. I know it won't happen but whatever side of the climate change argument you are on, I think you can agree that would be a very interesting video! Have any of them ever done an Reddit Ama?

I'm an anthropologist not a astro-physicist. But they are suppose to be the best and I just would love to hear their response to accusations of their terminology being wrong. For now I trust them, sincerely sorry tho if I am in fact a sheep for that. But I don't think I am.

Thanks for a fun read guys

All the best,

The Shiller

As an anthropologist you might find the following interesting.  It was directed in part by a budding young propagandist working for the oligarchy who's name you might recognize as our current 'science and technology czar' under Obama:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Em9A_Alck

The propaganda techniques used in this film are interesting.  Particularly to me as someone nearing 50 who 'was there' or at least starting to be.  The current crop of active 'scientists' contain a cohort of a similar and somewhat older age as me and will be in the most powerful part of their careers (including Dr. Holdren.)

This is a re-introduction so the 'golden girl' footage would be from the early 90's.  As such, it demonstrates the advancement in the science of propaganda which is also interesting.

I find the film to be especially interesting because it touches briefly on the topic of 'global warming', but in a prototype form which was to simplistic to fly as a fraud.  At least back in those days...it might work now as we move further toward full blown common-core idiocracy.  Adjustments to the hoax involving CO2 were to follow in the succeeding decades.

From around the same time or prior, and by the same group of people:

In Searching For A New Enemy To Unite Us, We Came Up With The Threat Of Global Warming

4198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 14, 2016, 04:00:37 PM
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Meanwhile they keep juggling the numbers so that each year is "warmer than the years before" and "breaks all records!"  Of course they can do this with the land based temperatures through the Bureau of Adjustments, but they cannot do it with the satellite temperature readings.

I never understood quite why they cannot and do not.  I mean it's not like there seem to be any ethical qualms holding them back and NASA, NOAA, etc have been degraded to blatent political hacks and sub-worthless jokes by this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7V8foMd3SE

That's pretty darn good, that link.  But I'd disagree with him.  NASA is doing totally amazing stuff with it's robots exploring the solar system.  The payoffs are a thousand to one compared to manned exploration.

It's likely the thing that holds the corruption in check on the satellite temperature numbers is the fact that any ham radio operator can pick up the transmissions and record the data.

All they'd have to do is encrypt the data.  For 'national security reasons', ya know?  I'm surprised they don't already.

On the subject, I noticed with interest that Japan was putting a CO2 observatory satelite into space at the same time we were.  Their succeeded and ours failed in an unusual malfunction.  Our 2nd attempt was successful.  The question in my mind was why would the Japanese go to the expense?

I hypothesis that Japan was fully aware that CO2 was going to be used as a primary mechanism to siphon the resources of rich countries to poor countries.  It is pretty clear by the time that these efforts were in planning stage that there was a global effort to bring the world's nation states into better parity from a wealth perspective and only slightly less clear that this was a setup for better meshing under an eventual world government.  I suggest that Japan, as a wealthy country, knew that they would be totally fucked if they didn't have access to real CO2 data themselves.

BTW, I agree that sending humans into space is absurd from a cost/benefit perspective.  It's mostly a NASA sideshow for the plebs.  I agree with ramzpaul, however, that it's a better sideshow than 'virtue signaling' via the human resources department and propaganda efforts in social media.

4199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 14, 2016, 03:20:54 PM

Yes, solar physicists have been warning for about 10 years now that we may be entering a period of global cooling similar to the Little Ice Age that occurred in the 1700s.  Unfortunately the solar physicists do not quite fit the hysterical climate greenie's vision of a Denier.

Unfortunately the religious fanatics of junk science do not understand that global cooling indeed does fit under their broad umbrella of "climate change." 

Meanwhile they keep juggling the numbers so that each year is "warmer than the years before" and "breaks all records!"  Of course they can do this with the land based temperatures through the Bureau of Adjustments, but they cannot do it with the satellite temperature readings.

I never understood quite why they cannot and do not.  I mean it's not like there seem to be any ethical qualms holding them back and NASA, NOAA, etc have been degraded to blatent political hacks and sub-worthless jokes by this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7V8foMd3SE

4200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: August 14, 2016, 05:16:39 AM
The term "Runaway Greenhouse Gas Effect" only refers to the process in which, when a green house gas (such as: Methane, Carbon Dioxide, whatever SO2 that you mentioned is) gets released into the atmosphere and stops heat that has entered from escaping.

The mere fact that those gasses are there (and you do acknowledge that they are there) means they had to have gotten there somehow. (you also acknowledge that heat cant escape because of the presence those gasses being there)

Them getting there and causing that problem is by definition what a "Runaway Greenhouse Gas Effect" is.

What more do I need to look up for this argument exactly?

*Drops Mic*

The most important greenhouse gas on earth is H20.  It creates the 'greenhouse effect' we have here on earth and has for a very long time.  If it wants to 'run away', it's got the whole ocean with which to do so.

It is not true that 'heat cant escape' with H20 being the primary greenhouse gas nor any other.  There is an equilibrium value reached on every planet which is a function of the various methods by which heat 'escapes' such as overturning and the various energy inputs (mostly solar.)  This equilibrium certainly drifts around and the bands of various ecosystems consequently shift in various ways.

These processes have been going on since the beginning of life on earth a billion or so years ago and it nor any of the various catastrophes have managed to snuff out life yet.  On the contrary, it has resulted in an interesting and wonderful diversity which would be much reduced and much more boring in a 'stable' system.  Anyone who is all freaked out about earth turning into venus overnight has been severely emotionally damaged by the dedicated effort of a band of skillful grifters.  I can hardly believe that anyone is this retarded, but there it is.

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