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4181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 27, 2023, 03:14:51 AM
what do you like for your god no one?

an atheist or a nileist.

i am more of an agnostic i am just smart enough to know i simply dont know

For 30 years I have been describing myself as a Confirmed Agnostic.

*this has the added benefit of shutting up any religious arguments before they start.

agreed.

besides it is way above my pay-grade to weigh in on shit like that.

@ millionero that was pretty good.

I was a Catholic
Then a Mormon
Back to Catholic
Now agnostic.  Really comfortable with this choice.

 I thought Mormons had to abstain from harmful substances (which include - oh the horror - coffee!)?  Some of your stories have led me to believe you did not do that.


Never said How long I practiced mormonism (under 2 months)

So Catholic  baptism at 2 months to 23

Mormonism 23 to 23 and 2 months. I Did not mind no booze or illegal drugs, but thought chocolate was too much to ask of me.

Catholic 23 and 2 months until I was about 46. We lost our 3rd kid.

Agnostic 46 to 66.

Very likely will stay agnostic until I die as I do not expect to be visited by angels looking to save me.

Or Star Trek's "Q"

Or the bigger names which I won't mention.
4182  Economy / Economics / Re: How do you deal with financial stress? on: September 27, 2023, 03:07:06 AM
~Snipped~
I have all my signature campaign earnings saved, along with a decent sum of stablecoins in terms of cryptocurrency assets. I also have a decent amount of money saved in fiat, but that doesn't change the fact that housing and living costs are excessive. I'm from Greece, and the minimum salary ranges from €700 to €800 at best. Even by living with my partner, each one of us will need €300 per month just for the house. Without groceries, petrol, insurance, taxes, and so on. I don't want to be stuck in a loop, slowly draining my savings.
Wow no salary for a year.

I spent 5 years in the service. 1978 to 1983. US Navy. They paid not much but they paid.

So from what you say you are still young. Maybe 🤔 find a roommate making the apartment expense less.
I'm guessing you can understand what situation I'm in right now. I'm 25 and used to live with my partner before the army came up.
Is it possible to buy a monthly or maybe an annual ticket? I know that mostly children in my country who travel by bus to school drive like this, but I don't think it is limited only to them. An ordinary bicycle does not take up much space, and it can be hung on the wall very easily, especially if it is a model made of very light materials.
Monthly tickets cost up to €60, or €40 if you're a student. I'm not sure if I'm still eligible for a student discount. However, my motorcycle doesn't use too much fuel, so the cost will be approximately close, or a little more, and will be way more convenient. I'm determined to avoid using my car or my motorcycle for short distances and stick to walking and bicycling.
If memory serves me correctly, you live on an island, and that only makes life more expensive - I know this because my country also has a lot of islands, and everything is more expensive there than on the mainland. Just today I read an article that an employer offers a salary of up to 11 000 EUR for the position of a waiter in Germany, where there is a shortage of such workers.

I can only tell you that until maybe 1-2 years ago, I could go out on the street at any time of the night without fear, and today I no longer feel safe, considering that some of the people who came as cheap labor are already starting to show their inclination violence and religious intolerance.
That's correct; some things, such as houses, due to it being a touristy area, are quite expensive, along with fuel. I've only been to Poland abroad, which is now one of the safest countries in Europe and is against welcoming refugees, and I've got to be honest, I wasn't afraid to walk at midnight. Other Western cities are a completely different story nowadays.
Look, I was also in the army at one time, so although I consider most of that time wasted because I didn't do anything useful, I still learned something and know how to handle various types of weapons, which can always come in handy considering who my neighbors are, right? Unfortunately, mandatory military service was abolished a long time ago and today's young people do not have any knowledge of skills that would be of help in case they need it.
I understand why the military is mandatory here, for obvious reasons of a specific neighboring country; however, I believe that it should focus more on extensive training but for a shorter time. 9 months passed way too fast, but I've been out of the job market for over a year now, and I'm starting from zero again.

you are networking here = smart.
you have a signature campaign = smart
talk things out with your partner maybe they have a connection or friends or something.

things on your side 25 is very good.

I am 66 I got out of the Navy when I was 25.

I was not wealthy not middle class borderline working poor.

I got a degree in accounting.
Did taxes on the side.
Met my wife and lived in Astoria, Queens for 5 .5 years. 
I met the Greek Pope and Telly Savalas both at Saint Demetios Church in Astoria.

My wife and I left Astoria in 1992 and moved to NJ been in NJ for 31 years.

We saved money fixed up our house and we are truly middle class and not paycheck to paycheck.

It took us time to do it.

At 25 you got time so go out and plug away as best you can . Hodl your crypto.
4183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bad or good idea on: September 27, 2023, 02:55:47 AM
Time is not on your side, today's GPUs will only depreciate over time as new ones are released. There is an opportunity for RTX-3000 series in the near term
with overpriced and underperforming RTX-4000 but once RTX-5000 comes out RTX-3000 will be virtually worthless.

Not really. What matters is if they launch or pump a coin to replace Eth.

1080 and 1080ti made good money during  09/01/2020 to 04/01/2021

and they were okay from 04/01/2021 to sept 2022.

With that logic. My mining and making 900 a month profit now with hopes to do better in late 2024 is okay for my 3000 series cards.

I do agree if no coin pumps gpus are in for a real butt hurt continuation.
4184  Economy / Economics / Re: If They Can Pay off their Debts, Why Don't They? on: September 27, 2023, 02:50:32 AM
Debt is not a bad thing, poor countries are still poor even without debts.
I'm not an economist – but I don't completely agree with your assumption that poor countries would remain poor without debt. Abundant natural products can increase a country's income, as can its natural resources. Do you remember Qatar - yes, they are a good example to break your assumption that poor countries will remain poor without debt.

I believe Qatar may have had debts before they became a rich country due to natural gas and oil – but the natural resources they have have changed the country's economic status at the world. Of course, natural resources are a factor that will change the fate of a poor country [have debt or have no debt].


Plenty of countries in Africa are poor yet filled with tremendous amounts of resources.

South Africa was pillaged fiscally for over 100 years.

from google:
"In 1871 the English entrepreneur Cecil Rhodes bought a claim to the De Beers mine and, with this as a financial base, eventually bought up most of the diamond mines in southern Africa. In 1888 he incorporated De Beers Consolidated Mines, Ltd."

They used Apartheid to rule the black people until 1994. so

1994
1871
 123 years of ripping off South Africa  and 1994 to 2023 is 29 more years and one could argue the people do not get their fair share of diamonds or gold.

This is one of many African countries that still get ripped off.


Also the debt is 262.60 billion

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/south-africa/national-government-debt
4185  Other / Meta / Re: Would it be possible if there was some kind of like button? on: September 27, 2023, 02:39:51 AM
I think if someone wants to leave the discussion, let the other person know. Unfortunately here there is no way to indicate that someone has read a reply to a comment but is not interested in continuing the discussion, one way that exists is to send merit but merit is not effective for that.

Is it possible that there is a tag (some kind of like button or some kind of merit but not limited) to tell the discussion partner that I have read the reply and am not interested in continuing the discussion. Is that possible?

Isn't just withdrawing from further discussion a sufficient signal that the interlocutor no longer wants to answer?
There are many reasons for such a thing, but if everything has already been said and someone has nothing new to add, why would you force further discussion? This would be great for trolls, who use every little thing as an excuse to continue the provocation.



Yeah it is what we usually do. Many times I check my own pages of posts to see if any of the threads I have been posting on need to be looked at.

I just went to this thread because I reviewed my posts and wondered if some one had said something I could reply to.

Your post fit the bill and I replied to it.
4186  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 27, 2023, 12:08:20 AM
what do you like for your god no one?

an atheist or a nileist.

i am more of an agnostic i am just smart enough to know i simply dont know

For 30 years I have been describing myself as a Confirmed Agnostic.

*this has the added benefit of shutting up any religious arguments before they start.

agreed.

besides it is way above my pay-grade to weigh in on shit like that.

@ millionero that was pretty good.

I was a Catholic
Then a Mormon
Back to Catholic
Now agnostic.  Really comfortable with this choice.
4187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 26, 2023, 11:25:56 PM


Now we have a failed beggar nocoiner basement-living incel who found god… Cheesy

…..

Oh (mythical) gawd! Don’t get me going…

what do you like for your god no one?

an atheist or a nihilist.

i am more of an agnostic i am just smart enough to know i simply dont know
4188  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 26, 2023, 06:16:00 PM
Have you reached 1BTC yet?

If not, what the fuck are you doing with your life?

What are you gonna tell your future kids and grandkids when they ask you why your bitcoin stash is so pathetic when you knew about it in 2023 or earlier?

You might be being too harsh LFC.  I surely agree with the idea of shaming nocoiners and low coiners who had not been sufficiently aggressive, but even $100 per week would have had need to be investing since the beginning of 2020 in order to get to the accumulation of 1BTC.

And there surely are some people who are not even able to invest $100 per week, but yeah sure, if they are able to invest $100 per week and they are not, then they should be shamed.. but then another question is when did they find out about bitcoin.. early 2020 or some later point.

By the way, the $10 per week person would have had to be investing since June 2016 in order to get to 1 BTC.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to give anyone any kind of free pass, but the fact of the matter, is that it is getting more and more difficult to accumulate a whole BTC.. and that seems to be part of the reason that we are likely going to NOT be too elitist in terms of maybe currently having a kind of expectation that people currently (or recently) finding out about bitcoin might need to shoot for some lower level goal.. such as 21 million sats or maybe 10 million sats or maybe even 1 million sats. .but surely if they have known about bitcon for a few years, they should already be past those levels..

again depending on their monthly budget and/or how aggressive that they are able to be without screwing things up too much in terms of losing their coins.. which would be even a worse outcome for those who might end up overdoing it in such a way that they are not able to hang onto whatever coins that they are able to accumulate.. because I think that part of this bitcoin accumulation game should be creating such a strategy that you are constantly and continuing to build your BTC stash until you get to such a point that is close to your own fuck you status... and that could take 20-30 years in regular systems, even though bitcoin likely has been able to provide ways that even normies could have gotten to fuck you status in less than 10 years. .which surely is not a usual kind of investment, and bitcoin seems to continue to be a strong investment in terms of short-cutting the getting to fuck you status as long as you don't screw things up by over doing it too much.

@BritishHodl
..........[edited out]........
They'll want to own ONE #Bitcoin  just to say "fuck you".

That's the real hunger games.

When logic drains away.

And emotion takes over.

Desire for status takes over.

Animal instinct of the wealthiest takes over.
https://x.com/britishhodl/status/1706297759928557576

Even my entry-level fuck you status chart shows that it could take until late 2043 for one 1 BTC to be enough for entry-level fuck you status... and sure, it is probably way easier to be trying to front-load your BTC investment to try to get the 1BTC earlier rather than later, but still I doubt that it is fair to presume that everyone is able to invest aggressively in order to get to 1 BTC quicker than their cashflow and expenses allow them to get there.. and surely anyone with an investment portfolio of $100k or more could end up choosing to allocate 25% to BTC investments, but it is not clear that s/he would still be able to get to 1 whole bitcoin right away or if it would necessarily be good advice to immediately reallocate his/her investment portfolio in order to get 1 BTC in there at this time.. so there are some individualistic particulars that are best to be attempting to accounting.

Have you reached 1BTC yet?

If not, what the fuck are you doing with your life?

What are you gonna tell your future kids and grandkids when they ask you why your bitcoin stash is so pathetic when you knew about it in 2023 or earlier?
Reasons for me not reaching to 1 BTC:

1) Bitcoin was already above 10k when I started accumulating it.

2) It's not easy for me to accumalte bitcoin as it's declared illegal in my country (Pakistan). My primary source of bitcoin accumulation is through signature campaigns here. Can't use credit card to buy bitcoin.

My pace is slow but I am still not giving up on bitcoin accumaltion.

This is a great example (even though it is sad and a bit depressing, too).

Historically, I have tended to lecture forum members about any kind of overly dependence on merely earning bitcoin rather than buying bitcoin.. because sometimes there can be ways to earn money (including fiat) that is going to allow you to buy way more bitcoin than you are able to from earning, whether we are referring to a signature campaign or other ways that you might be able to get paid for providing goods, services and/or labor...

So surely, I have sympathies for when forum members (or any other normies) have a lot of difficulties figuring out how to get BTC based on their own physical location that may well either be hostile to bitcoin or not really having ways in which you are able to find ways to purchase bitcoin... and there could be some ways that you might be able to buy some bitcoin from forum members. that is if you are able to generate some cash in other ways.. but of course, hopefully you are ongoingly trying to figure out ways that you are able to get BTC besides merely relying on signature campaigns... but surely persistence with signature campaigns could also get you over 1 BTC in less than 10 years.. maybe even less than 5 years.. .. but maybe those days are gone?

Absolute mad man, but you gotta love it.
@saylor
MicroStrategy has acquired an additional 5,445 BTC for ~$147.3 million at an average price of $27,053 per #bitcoin . As of 9/24/23 @MicroStrategy hodls 158,245 $BTC acquired for ~$4.68 billion at an average price of $29,582 per bitcoin. $MSTR
https://t.co/GbJtUoQfXv
https://x.com/saylor/status/1706278284651077714
If it mooned to 200k he would go from 4.68 billion to over 26 billion

Do you think he will be able to cash out that much in time?

Saylor and/or MSTR is likely not going to cash out, but if he/MSTR wanted to cash out more than $26 billion at around those $200k-ish prices (or close to $32 billion in my corrected stats), he/MSTR could do that.

Sounds like you don't know nuttin, @Sophokles.

http://
Do you think he will be able to cash out that much in time?
Saylor isn't going to cash out the bitcoin.  You and Laura Shin apparently don't understand: "It's going up forever".
what is he going to do with it, then? Only watching it grow and drink beer!

You sound really lost @Sophokles.

Do you really believe that if bitcoin were to go to $200k and Saylor's/MSTR's coins go up from just under $5 billion to nearly $32 billion, then he is going to need to sell in order to reap benefits from having such cornz? 

Try MOAR harder.  You can do better than that.  Can't you?

[edited out]
Strictly speaking, to arrive at net worth (or rather net asset value for MSTR), you need to subtract 4.68 bil from your number, arriving at 26.96 bil, but what's extra few bil among WOers, lol. Btw, currently, MSTR has a negative net asset value, which did not preclude wall street from assigning multi billion $$ valuation to the company.

In fact, current MSTR valuation (at $4.615 bil) suggests that wall street is valuing btc to be at least $58,738 sometime soon (4.615bil+4.68bil=9.295bil/158245btc=~$58738/btc

Those are fair points, but it seems to me that we were talking about the value of the BTC going up from a little less than $5 billion to a little more than $32 billion... so you seem to be making a different point, at least from the one that I was making.. maybe Phil could end up agreeing with you that was what he was talking about... perhaps?  I surely wasn't talking about that.

If it moons from 5 to 32

he would sell around 10

all the rest would essentially be free.

And once he pays taxes on the 10 dropping back to 6.  He has 6 cash to wait for a buy the dip move.
4189  Other / Meta / Re: Would it be possible if there was some kind of like button? on: September 26, 2023, 05:16:08 PM
Okay a like button does not cover that you like the thread and are finished with it for now.
A merit button does move cover that you like the thread and you are finished with it for now.

A button that read  ( "I am done talking will check back on this thread in a day or two." )

works much better.


The initials would be

I.a.d.t.w.c.b.o.t.t.i.a.d.o.t


We have some artists that could make it look nice.

Yes, I agree. But with the tag, I know that the person I'm talking to has read it. If he doesn't reply it means he really wants that, if he comes back after a few days (but I'm not sure many do this) it's better than no further discussion

Yes, maybe your idea is good... but few people use that method, and there are too many words " I.a.d.t.w.c.b.o.t.t.i.a.d.o.t" would probably make it look like spam

~snip~

It seems like the discussion in the thread didn't go well because the OP didn't reply to other members' comments

I don't want to discuss that. But that's one example that some discussions require feedback or at least I know that the person I'm talking to has read my argument

there was some humor intended, but I do understand that is is too long as compared to a like. I do feel a merit is a like.

And likes or merits have value on this forum. My high merit count makes my signature more valuable . So merits a re bit better than likes
4190  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. Picks closed on: September 26, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
Please I want to take #04)

got you baby shoes 👞

six left 24 taken

we are at block 920 we have some spots left


01) -4.99 to - 4.50 - kano
02) -4.49 to - 4.00 - Biffa
03) -3.99 to - 3.50 - alh
04) -3.49 to - 3.00 - Baby Shoes
05) -2.99 to - 2.50 - Learn Bitcoin
06) -2.49 to - 2.00 - NeuroticFish
07) -1.99 to - 1.50 - SamReomo {note I have an error here} - AlcoHoDL was first
08 ) -1.49 to -1.00 - SamReomo moved you to nearest pick
09) -0.99 to  -0.50 - Warfare
10) -0.49 to  -0.00 - stompix
11) 0.01 to   0.50% put your name next to your pick. philipma1957
12) 0.51 to   1.00% - mikeywith
13) 1.01 to   1.50% - sirazimuth
14) 1.51 to   2.00%  - MagicByt3
15) 2.01 to   2.50% - Watche
16) 2.51 to   3.00% - joker_josue
17) 3.01 to   3.50% - vapourminer
18) 3.51 to   4.00% - Hueristic
19) 4.01 to   4.50% - jojo69
20) 4.51 to   5.00% - iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2
21) 5.01 to   5.50% - Gachapin
22) 5.51 to   6.00% - d_eddie
23) 6.01 to   6.50% - Greyhats
24) 6.51 to   7.00% - GazetaBitcoin
25) 7.01 to   7.50% - LFC_Bitcoin
26) 7.51 to   8.00% - DyingSoul
27) 8.01 to   8.50%
28) 8.51 to   9.00%
29) 9.01 to   9.50%
30) 9.51 to 10.00%




27
28
29
30



got you alh

5 picks left


looks to me like 1 to 26 are picked.


Quote
https://newhedge.io/terminal/bitcoin/difficulty-estimator

Latest Block:   809452  (10 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   98.1792%  (1037 / 1056.23 expected, 19.23 behind)
Previous Difficulty:   54150142369480                              
Current Difficulty:   57119871304635.31                            
Next Difficulty:   between 56121083160929 and 56353459050271
Next Difficulty Change:   between -1.7486% and -1.3418%
Previous Retarget:   September 19, 2023 at 4:59 AM  (+5.4842%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   October 3, 2023 at 9:44 AM  (in 6d 20h 43m 23s)
Next Retarget (latest):   October 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM  (in 6d 22h 11m 33s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 14d 4h 45m 42s and 14d 6h 13m 53s

we are closed for the picks

right now -1.8208% which is 7) AlcoHodl

is in the lead

but a week to go

Picks closed
4191  Economy / Economics / Re: Another Coup in Africa: What is the economic effect? on: September 26, 2023, 04:57:49 PM
People of Niger just arrested the French ambassador Grin This is after another french official (possibly an intelligence officer) was arrested the other day.
It appears that the colonizers are not going to leave peacefully but they'll have to be kicked out by force.
France is looking for an opportunity to invade Niger. The new government of Niger has ordered Sylvain Itte the French Ambassador to leave the country for not honoring an invitation by the new regime. The ambassador has refused to leave. This situation is a clear indication that France still sees Niger as its colony.  Every country has the right to expel diplomats without restriction but France is pushing the new government to the wall. Even French President Emmanuel Macron is encouraging Sylvain to disobey the orders of the government. France may soon claim that its ambassador has been assaulted and use it as an excuse to launch a military invasion with her allies. But the war will not be easy because this is not the 18th century.  


"On July 26, 2023, soldiers from the Presidential Guard blocked access to Bazoum's residence. The president's office said on the president's Twitter account that individual guards "launched a mutiny in a vain attempt to gain the support of the National Armed Forces and the National Guard."....""

Typical military coup. Which means the change of power is not legitimate, and neither is the head of the military junta. And why should anyone follow their orders ? Smiley
Well and most importantly - everyone understands that a military coup in one of the poorest African countries will not lead to anything positive, neither for the inhabitants of the country nor for its political weight in the world. I can even predict what will happen. Those close to the junta will gain access to the country's wealth, or simply appropriate someone's property, organize their own private military company, just to protect themselves from the population of their country.... Such "power" is not capable of anything else....

This is a classic "meet the new boss same as the boss move"

I can only hope it does not get worse with mass executions and the military pillaging the civilians.
4192  Other / Meta / Re: Would it be possible if there was some kind of like button? on: September 26, 2023, 04:14:02 AM
It sounds to me like this is not the first time I've seen a discussion about this on the forum. As has been said, merits are sometimes used as likes even though they shouldn't be, and the fact that they are limited I think makes them more valuable. I think it is unlikely that the forum will be encouraged to implement a like button because of what has been said and because it makes us different from so many social networks that do have it.

Can you show me a thread that discusses something like this? Actually not a button, maybe something like a merit that is sent but has no effect on rank, maybe something like "karma"


~snip~
Like this discussion, someone seems to be accusing me of having certain intentions, but he doesn't want to clear up the discussion. He just disappeared.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457879.msg62874604#msg62874604


Well op, it doesn't seem to be a bad idea. But first, not all members would love to use such buttons or neither would they have time to inform you that they are about leaving your discussion. I might no longer want to comment or reply a thread and just exist or ignore that thread.

Yes, because most discussions are carried out not because of interests and hobbies of discussion but because of campaigns so they don't feel important about replies from other people

And I will advice you to lock your thread if possible to avoid unessesary replies from other members because you might also not like them.

Suggestions are rejected unless you have a strong argument as to why I should lock this thread

~snip~

Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. I'm not a native English speaker


Okay a like button does not cover that you like the thread and are finished with it for now.
A merit button does move cover that you like the thread and you are finished with it for now.

A button that read  ( "I am done talking will check back on this thread in a day or two." )

works much better.



The initials would be

I.a.d.t.w.c.b.o.t.t.i.a.d.o.t


We have some artists that could make it look nice.

4193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Operate Bitcoin Core on a laptop with restricted storage capacity on: September 26, 2023, 04:00:03 AM
Are there some recommended approaches for running Bitcoin Core on a laptop with constrained storage capacity? Is it possible to use an external hard drive as the data directory (datadir)? How does this setup work, and would I need to pay attention to?

Thank you in advance to everyone who responds to this question.

Why must people do things like this?

Here is my cheap solution buy a used laptop that allows a ssd to be put inside of it.


under 1 minute search on ebay I find a 2tb ssd i5 8th gen dell for $253.00

Problem solved.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295574053536?


there really is not an easier way.


cheaper way yes search long on ebay and find a laptop with 1tb ssd

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195976457193?

the one above is under 200 usd


please note I did fast searches on ebay and found suitable laptops. I do not know the sellers.
4194  Economy / Economics / Re: If They Can Pay off their Debts, Why Don't They? on: September 26, 2023, 03:38:06 AM
Everything has its own plan and the government that does the planning knows what steps they will take.
For example, in this case the largest debt at the moment is Japan with a total debt of $10.1 trillion (as op said in the thread) if Japan pays off directly it is certain that their financial condition is destroyed at that time but if they do it periodically as is currently happening, of course the results are different and the proof is that Japan is currently one of the most advanced economies in the world.
Every country on the list of the largest debts in the world will not be able to pay it off with one payment but they will pay periodically on the condition that they will not add to other debts. I am surprised that Japan is in first position on the list of the largest debts in the world even though it is said to be the country with the most advanced economy in the world.

However, apart from the countries on the list above, there are several other countries that have high amounts of debt, but the government has the worst history because the government wants to improve the country's economy from debt sources for development needs and some of it is used for community assistance so that they do not stage demonstrations against the government, many corruption cases from the main source of debt funds from other countries but they are very arrogant and anti-criticism so that many corruption cases are not tried or many corrupt convicts are free to leave prison.

The list is in the wrong order.


1. Japan $10.1 trillion
2. Greece $415.35 billion
3. Italy $2.94 trillion
4. United States $36.8 trillion
5. Spain $1.74 trillion
6. France $3.478 trillion
7. Portugal $305.45 billion
8. Canada $2.52 trillion
9. Brazil
10. Belgium $640.3 billion


correct is

1) United States $36.8 trillion
2) China             $13.75 Trillion
3)Japan             $10.1 trillion
4) France           $  3.478 trillion
5) Italy              $  2.94 trillion
6) England/ U.K. 6) Canada          $  2.52 Trillion
7) Spain             $ 1.74 Trillion
8 ) Brazil            $ 833.6 Billion
9) Belgium         $  640.3 Billion
10 ) Greece          $  415.35 Billion
11)  Portugal        $   305.45 Billion


Not sure how to count U.K. debt or Great Britain Or common wealth as I get about six countries mentioned.

So take my correction with a grain of salt.

I think Canada is separate from G.B

the number I get for G.B. is  2.62 trillion

the number I get for Canada is 1.134 CAD not USD

I did bing and google searches .

I am sure there are multiple numbers.

But the high debt countries all have a lot of really rich people that under pay tax. Making both the middle class and the poor shoulder the debt.
4195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 26, 2023, 03:36:52 AM
Trips for the bud.  oh well.
4196  Other / Meta / Re: Would it be possible if there was some kind of like button? on: September 26, 2023, 03:33:52 AM
"I am done talking will check back on this thread in a day or two."

The

"I.a.d.t.w.c.b.o.t.t.i.a.d.o.t"

Button.

Maybe make a design contest.


While I like the op idea in principle you kind of need the:


I.a.d.t.w.c.b.o.t.t.i.a.d.o.t

button for clarity.

4197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bad or good idea on: September 26, 2023, 03:28:06 AM
I asked the mods to move this to alt coins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=224.0

the alt coin speculation board is proper spot.

I am holding more than 100 gpus. I mine them at very very very low cost power. They make a tiny profit.

I will continue to mine and make 900 a month profit vs the 10,000 a month I was doing.


Hoping that gpu's come back next fall
4198  Economy / Economics / Re: Early Retirement [Pros and Cons] on: September 26, 2023, 03:22:05 AM
Even if you do some great thing and are wealthy at 40 after being not wealthy at 30.

Say you purchased 1000 btc for 6 bucks a coin. or 6,000 usd then sold them all at 67,000. You have about 67,000,000 pre tax.

You pay the tax in the USA about 20,000,000 leaving you 47,000,000 in 2021 and you grabbed 1,000 coins back at  16,000.  The cost is 16,000,000

You now have  31,000,000 and can do a lot with yourself.

 But I know I would not do

travel
fine dining
Broadway shows
concerts

and nothing else > it would be boring to me. I would still post here with a new name maybe.  But I would post.
4199  Economy / Economics / Re: How do you deal with financial stress? on: September 26, 2023, 02:23:52 AM
Wow, the thread really blew up since the last time I opened it yesterday evening. I've read every single one of your replies, but I certainly cannot reply to everyone individually.
I am established. I am middle class. I have fairly good income. I also make some money mining.

But my expenses have really gone up the last 18 months. Along with my mining profits dropping.

What to do?

Change some food habits to save money.
Find a bit more work to make more money.

I am lucky that my wife and I like each other so more time in bedroom for free entertainment is something we can do.
The truth is that there's not much to do. You can't tackle inflation and increasing costs yourself; the only thing you can do is find ways to increase your income and, at the same time, reduce your expenses by avoiding unnecessary expenditures. And honestly, the most valuable activities in life are free.
Actually, I am always in a financial stress, but the stress level is always on different level. Even though I have saved money in bank account and hold crypto. I think I always feel uncomfortable, when when my monthly expenses are higher than monthly salary. Even though my bank account was always a positive number, and it was never a zero, when I moved from parents I was always stressed with tomorrows day. I find myself thinking about if something bad happens, will I have enough money to solve that. And right now, when I am a head of my own family already, the feeling of financial stress is even bigger.
I was, honestly, the exact opposite. I had a relatively cheap house and a steady job—not the highest-paying one—but along with my partner, we earned a decent income, plus signature campaigns to save Bitcoin. I was stress-free regarding money; we'd go on trips by car and vacation once or even twice a year without worrying too much. Now things are completely different, though. These times probably came to an end.
It's one of the things that you really couldn't get away from in my opinion. Try as you might to sweep this one under the rug, it will all be futile cause at the end of the day, you're spending money and you need money for daily sustenance.

If you're living well off, or at least sufficiently earning for yourself with some savings on the side, I suggest you look into a little R&R (rest and relaxation) every now and again. Go to the beach, take your family out to dinner, play sports with friends, do anything that will take the pressure and stress of living in the modern world, and you're sure to be able to deal with the stress brought by the cost of living expenses nowadays.

If you're someone who's not in the position to spend money that willy-nilly, look into other hobbies or interest. Work out, read, distract yourself and arm yourself one way or another. If you let the thoughts brew inside your brain you'd be paralyzed. Do something.
Certainly, my mind keeps racing, and I'm not actually relaxing, even when I'm resting. I can't stop thinking of what we could have done better or what we're going to do in this dire situation of not being able to find proper accommodations. My personal items are scattered along two houses and in my car because I've got nowhere to put them. Not only is this situation frustrating, but it also causes angry outbursts from time to time. It's causing a spiral of bad moods and depression.
The case you are experiencing is very different from our situation where we are not required to serve in the military because the country where I live does not enforce this rule. Usually I tend to spend a limited amount of money according to my needs to fulfill my basic daily needs. Anxiety certainly arises amidst the uncertain economic turmoil that has occurred in recent years because many people have difficulty getting money to spend on their daily needs. The difficulty of finding work has an impact on the fulfillment of life and also conditions due to recession and increasing inflation.

I try to live frugally in conditions like this and spend money according to my needs, because forcing to spend money in inappropriate categories will actually worsen economic conditions. Increasing income is a solution that must be done by adjusting whatever work can be done and if our income is stable then the problem will be resolved slowly even though we cannot solve everything quickly.
The military was the icing on the cake. I spent a year not earning money, and now I've returned to absolute zero. No income, no house. I'm only left with an enormous burden and stress. I'm generally an anxious person and an overthinker, and my mind just doesn't shut down anymore. I keep endlessly thinking, to no avail.


Wow no salary for a year.

I spent 5 years in the service. 1978 to 1983. US Navy. They paid not much but they paid.

So from what you say you are still young. Maybe 🤔 find a roommate making the apartment expense less.
4200  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could Satoshi have known? on: September 26, 2023, 01:28:20 AM
Am sure Satoshi didn't quite think BTC would turn out to an investment option for people as opposed to the idea in mind before its creation.
One thing I have always loved about new innovations is that people get to utilize it in various scenerio to ascertain which best the innovation serves.
BTC to some is just money, but to others, it is a valuable asset worth investing and HODLing for a duration and if Satoshi had thought about all the possibility of having BTC, perhaps imthe idea would have failed.

I disagree I think it was for speculative and not for p2p.

I think if it was p2p money system it would not run out of rewards as he designed it.

Running out of mining rewards creates an upwards price pressure.

 A Flat reward with constant number would have made more sense for p2p. Money 💵 transfer.
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