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421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 05:53:40 PM
everybody is waiting for the podcast like its christmas , i see lots of people holding cause they bought @50-55 range and now want there 0.1btc back, yes i belive during the podcast it will be pumped , and if the news are really good then yes it will be pumped again, and yes most of you will take there dicks out and enjoy the show and window shop for a new car or house on ebay hoping its going to the moon and that its the next BTC. Thats a very nice scenario but tommorow at this time we will see @37-34 range. So wake upand smell the roses its a long term coin and nothing in todays podcast will moon it . I think  once it goes mainstram like the kiezer report or on the conference in 2 weeks , then will see lots of fresh money come in.
422  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 04:48:47 PM
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Posted this at 36, guess you thought it was a good idea to sell then.  Nice. 

I guess you would have thought the manipulators would have tried to keep the panic going leading up to the podcast and during?  Sheep lol...

there will be another dump brfore the podcast just like there is a small pump hype now.
423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 04:14:25 PM
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Youtube podcast with 3 Developers 11pm London, Berlin.

thanks bud
424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 03:56:28 PM
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It's today Sunday at 6pm Eastern, 3pm Western, United States.  Could be a good opportunity to load up

what time is it in europe?
425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 03:47:46 PM
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I think we will see today a new high, yoda...

defenetly but first we have to go down to be happy later Smiley

btw who knows what time is the youtube podcast with the devs?
426  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 03:37:20 PM
crypsy under @36 i think we will see today a new low.
427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
[quoteOh for the love of all that is ****ing holy...do you even know how to calculate compound interest?][/quote]

please educate me.
428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 03:20:20 PM
what im saying is that the compound intrest will kill over time small investers , which are the majority, big adresses will dump weekly intrest thats worth more then an avrege player, thats the truth , no fud like some say , just look at the "rich list"
429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
so basiclly is you get staked every 8 hours and you dont take it out , at the end of the year you dont have x amount +2,2% but much much more.

It won't be, "much much" more. It will be, "a little bit more". Do some Google searches and read up on Compound Interest to gain a better understanding.

There are even online Compound Interest calculators that you can plug your total VRC into, along with the expected APR and the # of times per year that the interest is compounded. You'll find that the results are not nearly as big as you were originally thinking.

and now take that so called 2.2% intrest and put it on the top 50 VRC adresses , there "intrest" will effect a huge tsunami dump
430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
here is a very intresting article i found on the litecoin tread on POS what do you guys think??


Proof of Stake coins have many issues here are some:

PoS is not backed by anything other than the belief there are worth anything and there will be an endless supply of PoS coins because one created today does not have a significant advantage over on created tomorrow, next week, next month.......
What currently is happening is new coins are created with PoW, mined for a week until a fixed number is reached and then change to PoS and then you can claim your stake at buying xyz coin. The only advantage a coin released today has over on made sometime in the future is; somebody already bought into it. The advantage quickly disappears if the new coin has a better catch phrase a flashier webpage or bigger marketing capital....
There is no end in sight for stake claimed coins and all promising x % return if you know a bit of programming you will have your very one coin too and everyone can buy into your claim based coin completely deluding the marked.
Its a barrel without bottom and once it clicks by the herd run for the hills if you own a stake.   
 
With a PoS the richer get richer. The most significant flaw of any proof-of-stake system and any system that diminishes coin rewards, is it can't distribute currency from the hoarders to the users of the currency, thus it will end up with the hoarders (the banksters) accumulating all the coin and the currency usage dying.
This is because the wealthy spend a much lower % of their net worth than the masses do

PoS is a technological dead end. Once the coin is released the only thing to do is "claim your stake" no research, no new capital outside the buy in, no evolving industry..

PoS can NEVER remain decentralized. Satoshi's Proof-of-Work is the only known solution to the Byzantine General's Problem (was a known unsolved problem since at least the 1970s).

To 51% PoS is dead easy:
You start buying aggressively or "willy" style until you have 51% of a PoS coin, and then sell off your coins so that you no longer have 51%, but your history of having once owned 51% makes it possible to attack the network at any time in the future at next to no cost only some computing resources (and thus electricity costs, etc.).
As you once had a 51% stake, you can build a better blockchain than the other 49% can, starting from the point where you owned 51%. You develop this blockchain in secret, after you have sold off your coins (and profiting from it); and then release your secret blockchain to the world, and nodes will pick it up because it carries more stake than the 49% blockchain.  Now not only do you have your profit from the original sales of the coin, you have your 51% back (to the extent that it's worth anything).  Not all coins need to be in one address, in fact, doing so would prevent the attack in most PoS implementations.
Unlike bitcoin where everyone can see if anyone comes dangerously close to 51, in PoS its all hidden, an attack can and will happen incognito.
There is no way of knowing if any PoS chain is already "dead", as it could have been done at any-time in the past..   

But then there's is also the social 51% attack where a tiny majority hold a massive percentage of the currency. When this occurs the market is open to extensive manipulation for the benefit of the few, as with real world economics (the 1%).
NXT is a good example of the social 51% attack, the top 33 accounts hold 51% between them. The top 50 accounts hold 61.2%. I'm quite sure the top 1% of accounts (400 ish) hold almost everything, with the other 99% playing with spare change. source
In the case of nxt the coin will always remain at the mercy of alias "BCNext". And the other 71 aliases just got some nxt depending on the proportion of the bitcoins sent. As you can see here he received a total of 22 btc:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303898.msg3253189#msg3253189
Interesting the 3rd post got a quote where the original post is missing. Most be a lot of posts deleted it seems.

Are all IPO coins scams? Whoever runs the IPO can send in x BTC with dozens or hundreds of fake accounts, get 90% of the coin count, then he pays nothing since all the BTC comes back to him anyway.  It's just some bogus license to create as big of a premine as you could possibly want.



PoW is a promise that x amount of energy has and will be used to make the coinis backed by energy, and energy is the only truly universally accepted wealth. There is no better backing than energy because everyone needs it, wants it and i will never have any problem selling it. To create a PoW coin you need x amount of energy and you can not cheat. The best you can hope for is to have  a more efficient miner. Because the energy has been spent, the coin has a base value (many other things on top) and is a kind of a storage of it which you can exchange.
(The same apply's for gold digging it up, storing..... only difference is it is awkward to exchange)
Remember u can't create something without work. This is simple physics. There is financial commitment in proof of work which gives it value.

431  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
so basiclly is you get staked every 8 hours and you dont take it out , at the end of the year you dont have x amount +2,2% but much much more.
432  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
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how does he know? I dont think so

usually compound intrest kills pos, for example if you get stake every 8 hours and you take your stake out after 365 days you will have 60% intrest on VRC.  Inflation can kill pos too,   there is no mininig investment involved , startup costs , electricity , etc.

That's not true. Compound interest doesn't mean 60% interest. You don't get 2.2% every 8 hours... you get that per year. Compounded it's ~2.24% instead of 2.20.

ok so what does compound intrest mean Huh
433  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 02:01:42 PM
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how does he know? I dont think so

usually compound intrest kills pos, for example if you get stake every 8 hours and you take your stake out after 365 days you will have 60% intrest on VRC.  Inflation can kill pos too,   there is no mininig investment involved , startup costs , electricity , etc.
434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 01:48:27 PM
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I made 230 btc yesterday at the dump so i do know how it works apperantly. however, im just helpin you by giving some advice. i have no hate towards any coin im just saying that all this altcoin trading is one big fugazi.

ya 230 btc profit , ok newbiee whayhever and you probablly have a 10 inch cock :0

read his posts, he might doesnot lie, he may have much money

I really dont care if has or not...... I dont like newbies come in and talking smack , on how much they made plus i made some chart research and the volume even taking crypsy, polo,bittrex and mint its not posible to make such profit, volume limits that so........
435  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
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No, i have a 11 inch cock...not nice to fuck your girlie with it...screaming and yelling. Wish i could cut it

damn
436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 01:27:23 PM
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I made 230 btc yesterday at the dump so i do know how it works apperantly. however, im just helpin you by giving some advice. i have no hate towards any coin im just saying that all this altcoin trading is one big fugazi.

ya 230 btc profit , ok newbiee whayhever and you probablly have a 10 inch cock :0
437  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 06, 2014, 01:15:55 PM
WOW 13.6 BTC wall @38880 eaten like it was nothing were going down boys , time to set the buyings @35,@34,@33?
438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 05, 2014, 07:05:51 PM
im buying up and supporting to see those tits @100k  Wink
439  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 05, 2014, 04:35:54 PM
[quoteI agree but lets face the facts:

the devs promised July 4th for fiat and didn't make it.

its sinking when you look at H4 or H1 or H2 chart and that massive double top which was pumped https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mintpal/vrcbtc do you think it is likely to fall down maybe under 0.0003 or is it likely to go up today?? answer yourself.
I am not saying that VRC doesnot have future. It may go up to 100,000 satoshi one day, maybe
but definitely not today or tomorrow. And why I should hold my hundreds of VRC when I can sell them now and buy them tomorrow cheaper?

hint: I am selling despite I am not a whale][/quote]

Check your facts because they are wrong , the dev delivered with the wallet , its the morons from Moolah that have problems with it and are working on it and delayed till after weekend, because obv they have to go on holiday or do whathever.
440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: July 05, 2014, 03:50:51 PM
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sold 500k .. tried not to mess up the market to much today... sry guys but its all the same.. fugazi, fugazi, all coins are fairy dust, it doesnt land, its not fucking real.

next one will rise with better features, then another one, then another one.. and so on. grab your money and go, there are more ways to Rome.

i think he got confused and sold doge @33 not VRC  Grin
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