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421  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 22, 2013, 03:22:29 AM
Death of capitalism is inevitable if AI will continue advancing, making Luddite fallacy obsolete!
422  Economy / Auctions / Re: Battleship script + BitShips.eu domain on: December 21, 2013, 08:57:28 PM
I don't believe in Battleships you're allowed to mass-spam shots whenever you hit the opponent, currently it only takes one hit to take out a ship of ANY size.
Could you describe more detailed?
423  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 21, 2013, 04:16:01 AM
@Rassah, it is an endless dispute! History shows that both parties will never agree which point of view is correct and what is fair.
In the post above I have foreseen that countries may split into socialist, free market and technophobic blocks (even whole countries can fall apart - Catalonia, Quebec and Scotland are signs of the coming trend). This is inevitable if no action taken to address technological unemployment problem!
424  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 20, 2013, 11:24:59 PM
Same thing that happened in every other country where a revolution resulted in public confiscation of private land and private means of production (it was never good).
You can find millions of people who think it was good! Just try to read opinions on anti-"laissez faire" sites. Wink

I would argue that it's unfair for workers to get ANY product, because without the capital owners, no product would be created in the first place (and my argument would also be ridiculous).
Your argument is stupid! As capital owner can be the state, workers' union, community etc who will manage production and fairly redistribute profit among workers, not pay dividends to private shareholders.

Who is it that decides what is fair, what is not, who contributed, and who did not?
It probably will be workers' unions.
425  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 20, 2013, 08:46:42 PM
Hopefully I will be able to see it far enough ahead to get myself, and all my money, out of their country before that happens.

Actually, thanks to bitcoin, even an angry revolution won't help them. At least when the russians raided the royal palace and the homes of all the wealthy, they could coonfistake tons od gold, money, and other valuables. Now they will just kill people without any access to their bitcoin passwords   Tongue
If you own means of production, real estate or any other physical capital in this country it can be expropriated, as well as rights on virtual capital (patents and copyrights) simply voided.
Bitcoin won't save your property in case of revolution! Grin

Someone says "Down with the bourgeoisie!" and you all tear down the machines. Now you have no food, no clothing, no tools, and nothing to entertain yourselves with.
Good job, you poor starving morons!
Socialist ≠ Luddite! The problem is "technological inequality" caused by automation and unfair redistribution of the product they create in favor of capital owners instead of workers, not the machines itself!
426  Economy / Economics / Re: Difficulty.....It can't keep going up 30% each increase. on: December 19, 2013, 03:16:06 AM
Free electricity?  I would love to see the face of your landlord when he sees the bill from your 2 Neptunes hashing all day Smiley
In Russia "free" electricity is rather common!
BTW, no single industrial-scale miner will ever be able to compete with a nerd keeping his miner in the basement connected to "free" electricity!   Wink Grin
427  Economy / Economics / Re: Fear will replace greed. on: December 19, 2013, 01:59:33 AM
Bitcoin below 10 dollars in 2014.
Smart investors will instantly buy ALL Bitcoins available for $10/BTC, so this price won't ever happen!
428  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 19, 2013, 12:35:15 AM
Whom are they going to be pissed at? "The Economy?" Down with the economy, and technical innovation, and robots, and cell phones, and the whole internets!
Most likely the anger will be targeted on capital owners, but in some technophobic conservative communities may be also on programmers!
429  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Getting around a government ban on BTC on: December 18, 2013, 07:36:44 PM
I have, but doesn't it require that you meet up in person?
Different sellers offer different payment methods. Cash is only one of the possible options.
430  Economy / Gambling / Re: BitShips - Play Battleship for Bitcoins! on: December 18, 2013, 07:11:41 PM
BitShips placed for sale:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=376172.0
431  Economy / Auctions / Battleship script + BitShips.eu domain on: December 18, 2013, 07:10:07 PM
I am selling BitShips.eu site (a Battleship game for Bitcoins). The lot includes source code (written on PHP and Node.js) and the domain.
Script is fully automated and easy to install on the server.

Starting bid is 1 BTC.
432  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 18, 2013, 04:35:21 AM
Yes, and they will starve and die. Or become desperate enough to survive to figure out how to survive. So what?
Nope! They will prefer to die from the bullet with AK-47 in hands rather than from hunger! Grin
433  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 17, 2013, 11:28:55 PM
Uh.. yes you can. Creativity is a skill you get better at with practice. And I don't mean graphic design, I mean inventing and improving the way things work. Manual, algorithmic labor has been replaced with robots a long time ago. Now it's all about doing custom inventive stuff that robots can't handle (even simple stuff like grabbing weirdly shaped lettuce leaves to place on a round bun)
Think realistically - most people who are capable on creativity already do this work. From billions of workers replaced by robots only few percents (or even fraction of percent) will be successfull enough to earn on living with creativity!
434  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 17, 2013, 05:17:24 PM
Since at least 30 years ago you can hear this sentence all the time.
Hasn't happened yet.
We will have the paperless office probably about the same time we have fusion reactors  Cheesy
Nevertheless, number of paper being used continuously falling in all areas!
435  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 16, 2013, 09:18:31 PM
As for bulk mass production, those same 3D tools can be used to 3D print molds for mass production, too.
For mass production there will be only few engineers who design molds.

We could replace people picking up bottles and corking them by hand, with a machine that would automatically grab a bottle cap and stick it on top of a bottle as it went by.
I think this is already done, may be not on all factories (cost of the machine may be higher than wages for workers in case of small-scale manufacturing).

Unless by "automation" you mean "artificial inteligence,"
We don't need super-human AI to automate most jobs. Even advancements in existing areas like image processing and recognition, neural networks, genetic algorithms/programming, cheap sensors and mechanical manipulators will be enough to create robots and software systems which could free 80-90% of the workers.

Yes, it is. Is it really that difficult to comprehend that we didn't even know about internal combustion engines in the 1800's, or about computers in the early 1900's, or the internet in the early 1990's? Because a lot of incredibly brilliant people could not predict such technologies arising and creating tons of new specialized jobs, I am not going to trust some unknown guy on the internet making predictions that no such new technologies will come to exist in the future.
This new technological wave could be robotics and AI, who knows... Wink

We still have jobs that pay people to remove staples and paper clips from documents before scanning them.
Most likely we won't have paper documents in the future at all! BTW, I don't even remember when I used the paper last time.

There will always be jobs, no matter how high tech we get.
Only if your govt or corporation have enough money and willingness to keep the inefficiency. This can be true for some parts of Asia, but never for Europe and US!

So, instead of people working on a project for one or two years, and us buying products, like a new version of an iPhone, every one or two years, you would have new and improved products coming out every month, then every day, then pretty much continuously, whenever you have time to hit "Update."
Advertising budgets are skyrocketing even for 1-2 years cycled products, so I cannot just imagine how much funds you have to spend on ads to force customers buying new iPhone at least once per month! Grin
436  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 16, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
I highly reccomend taking a kindergarden level economics course (If it would exist). Would dramatically boost your knowledge of how an economy functions.
May be you should look broader that current official ideology pushed by elite which still believe in "Luddite fallacy" myth and supremacy of free market!?
437  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 16, 2013, 04:35:51 AM
I would guess the 4th sector is designing stuff in 3D cad software for people to 3D print, such as tinkering with mechanics of some printable machines, our customizing existing designs to each individual's preferences.
Not many people can easily learn 3D modeling (think realistically, its rather hard for average man). Moreover, cost of the 3D-printed models will be higher than production cost of non-customized bulk items on fully automated plants.
438  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 15, 2013, 10:31:59 PM
You don't know what the next sector will be, so there is no way you can definitively say that there is no 4th sector to move into.
It is clear that only one candidate for the 4th sector is fundamental science (nuclear fusion, planet colonization, relativistic-speed travel etc). But these mega-projects could take centuries to be completed and have uncertain ħROI at all, therefore unlikely they will appear in countries with free-market capitalism.
439  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 15, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
You are basically claiming that a tractor or a machine replacing 25 farmers or factory workers with 1 is not a problem, but a computer replacing 25 tractor drivers with 1 computer operator is. I don't buy it.
Already broke this argument.
Farmers replaced with tractors moved to industrial sector, industrial workers replaced with CNC machinery were dumped to the services sector. But now there are simply no 4th sector to move in.
440  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Gambling with bitcoins underage on: December 15, 2013, 04:44:35 AM
It depends from the jurisdiction you are residing. Most countries don't have any penalty for minors if they play, only for gambling site.
U.S. is a different story, online gambling is a no-no here! Grin
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